Gamers Against Bigotry

[Nepenthe]

It's a common mistake, but I'm not actually the President

I think you have a lot of unexplored potential on that front.

[Malcador]

And so the endless fight against The Man continues.

[Humodour]

And so the endless fight against The Man continues.

 

Just because you like Dijkstra doesn't mean you can say hurtful things to me.

[Blarghagh]

New York Times has written an article about the issue. It can be found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/us/sexual-harassment-in-online-gaming-stirs-anger.html?_r=2

 

Some choice snippets:

 

Stephen Toulouse, who was the head of enforcement for Xbox Live from 2007 until February, policed the most egregious behavior on the network, owned by Microsoft. And women were the most frequent target of harassment, he said. In that role, Mr. Toulouse experienced the wrath of angry gamers firsthand, who figured out where he lived, then called the police with false reports about trouble at his house (more than once, SWAT teams were sent).

 

...many women gamers are documenting their experiences on blogs like

[Malcador]

Should just remove voice chat from games all together.

[Volourn]

"And women were the most frequent target of harassment, he said. "

 

I don't believe this bull for a second. No way to prove this. I bet it's ebcause males don't report it as much. I get 'harassed', 'bullied'; and the like quite a bit but I never report it because laugh my ass off.

 

And, I like to know when and where these women are who are getting bullied since 99% of the people I encounter online happen to be male.

 

Why are they make up false flag 'facts'?

[Orogun01]

Yeah is like that one time on the playground when all the boys where playing football and along comes "Suzie" saying that she wants to join in. As soon as "Suzie" falls to the ground she runs home crying to her mother that someone pushed her and like an unreasonable adult ( "Mum") instead of telling her daughter not to play boy's rough games she starts supervising. Everybody left after that, I mean nobody could kick the ball with impunity or even so much as touch another player.

 

Man, why do girls have to ruin boy's games?

[Volourn]

No. Girls are awesome. Not all girls act like that. heck, I've seen boys act like the girl in your fake story. Don't be sexist.

[Junai]

I revisited an old mud (multi-user text game) I used to play, for old times sake.

 

One of the old players were still there, and he was now married. He was playing with his wife, and she was basically running the entire place. She didn't lead a single group, and still she would bitch, exclude, harass and single out people she didn't like. I tried to lead a few raids, and when I told her to do a few things, she would complain loudly that her trigger-set made he *do* things, and she didn't know how to turn it off(!) Her husband had set it up for her, and she was gonna have him "chastise" me for speaking to her. She told me to stop dying when I lead raids, so she could afk without having to worry that she would die. Now she spends her time spreading gossip about my character, and when I occationally log on, I find myself drawn back into old neurotic high-school scenarios.

 

I have a hard time believing that girls are *targets* and *victims* on the internet. Women have always been better at social-games, always have, always will - whether it's on the internet or IRL. No need to pity them.

 

J.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Junai

[Darth InSidious]

Enough with the manufactured 'identity' schtick already.

 

As members of the irritable-and-reactionary-non-brylcreem-using-newspaper-ignoring-left-handed-blue-eyed community, we feel outraged/horrified/shocked/appalled/gratified that this disgraceful/shocking/outrageous/appalling/positive behaviour/speech/action/omission...

 

Gaming is an action not an identity. If it forms such a large part of your life that it begins to look like one, it is time to turn the machine off and go outside.

[Blarghagh]

As far as I'm concerned hobbies are a part of one's identity. Being a gamer does not mean you are only a gamer.

[Malcador]

That site where people post the crap they receive is pretty hilarious. Don't they have controls on Xbox so no random being can IM you ?

[Gorgon]

I revisited an old mud (multi-user text game) I used to play, for old times sake.

 

One of the old players were still there, and he was now married. He was playing with his wife, and she was basically running the entire place. She didn't lead a single group, and still she would bitch, exclude, harass and single out people she didn't like. I tried to lead a few raids, and when I told her to do a few things, she would complain loudly that her trigger-set made he *do* things, and she didn't know how to turn it off(!) Her husband had set it up for her, and she was gonna have him "chastise" me for speaking to her. She told me to stop dying when I lead raids, so she could afk without having to worry that she would die. Now she spends her time spreading gossip about my character, and when I occationally log on, I find myself drawn back into old neurotic high-school scenarios.

 

I have a hard time believing that girls are *targets* and *victims* on the internet. Women have always been better at social-games, always have, always will - whether it's on the internet or IRL. No need to pity them.

 

J.

At the risk of incurring their wroth I would agree. Women tend to be masterful at the wounded bird act, instantly drawing sympathy and allies from all sides.

[Fighter]

I have a knee jerk reaction to anything that mentions Sarkeesian again.

[Orogun01]

No. Girls are awesome. Not all girls act like that. heck, I've seen boys act like the girl in your fake story. Don't be sexist.

 

No, Women are awesome. Women are supposed to have the maturity to deal with a bunch boys trying to ruffle her feathers. Women I love, girls I subliminally make fun of and wait to see if they get the subtext.

 

On the other hand maybe games should have separate servers for men and women.

[Delfosse]

"And women were the most frequent target of harassment, he said. "

 

I don't believe this bull for a second. No way to prove this.

 

This is true, women get "harassed" much much more often. One in three women was on the verge of being raped at least once in her lifetime. There's an independent film called "femme de la rue" I think, by a young Belgian girl who lives in Brussels, in a bad neighborhood. At some point she started wearing a hidden camera and a microphone. She recorded how she's been harassed on average 10 times a day, being called "whore", "****", being invited to a hotel to ****, etc.

 

It's all real. Here, I found the link http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/2012/07/belgiumdoc/

[Gorgon]

I love how the video starts with a montage of people looking at her arse.

 

Other than that, yes it's probably momentously annoying being the constant object off attention from horny guys. I can't even imagine.

 

Appart from that we are talking about games. You know, you can't actually SEE the other person, much less his or her arse.

[Blarghagh]

And that makes a difference? Look at Fat, Ugly or Slutty and note how many of these propositions are on there.

[Gorgon]

It's text messages. So yes, it's different from being approached by horny guys in real life.

[Blarghagh]

Apologies, I thought you were implying that in games women are not the constant object of attention from horny guys, not a difference in the severity of the situation.

[Volourn]

"This is true, women get "harassed" much much more often. "

 

Make believe numbers are make believe.

 

 

"There's an independent film called "femme de la rue" I think, by a young Belgian girl who lives in Brussels, in a bad neighborhood. At some point she started wearing a hidden camera and a microphone. She recorded how she's been harassed on average 10 times a day, being called "whore", "****", being invited to a hotel to ****, etc."

 

Only gullible people wholeheartedly believe documentaries aren'tm meant to maipulate their audiences a certain way.

 

But, hey, they anti female sexism is fantastic. I forgot people believe that women are weak and pathetic and need to be babysat like little kiddies. I prefer to see woman as grown ups who can take care of themselves and won't turn into a pile of horrible crying nerves whenever things get tough.

 

This is the same attitude where it's considered mortal sin for a 18 year old male to have sex with a 16 year old female but a-ok for a 30 year female to have sex with a 15 year old female.

 

LMAO

 

Sexism. Sexism is NOT male only disease.

 

 

P.S. I'm a ugly piece of crap and I've been hit on my share. *shrug*

[Delfosse]

Oh, you misunderstand, Volourn. It's not like I object, really. Women are hardwired to enjoy male attention, in whichever form it presents itself. That's why I wrote harass in quotation marks in my original post.

 

Think about it. If milfs hit on you and tell you you've got a great ass or call you a DAWG, etc, and this happens ALL THE TIME, wouldn't you feel flattered? Even if you've got no desire to sleep with them, it's still nice to know those old milfs dream about getting laid by a guy like you. Awesome!

 

>>Only gullible people wholeheartedly believe documentaries aren'tm meant to maipulate their audiences a certain way.

 

I filter out all the bull****, don't worry. I have a bull**** meter that goes off ten times a day even when I read this forum.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Delfosse

[Orogun01]

Delfosse, you are assuming that women are rational beings rather than a maelstrom of emotions. No offense to any ladies.

[Volourn]

btw, I should point out I certainly don't approve of calling women (or men) whores or other derogatory terms.

[Monte Carlo]

Several of you are now *this far* from complaining about OP nun units in Shogun 2.