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I dunno, doubt I'll find an indie SupCom :lol:

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This blog is pretty good for keeping an eye on interesting stuff.

 

As for SupCom, I'm not really that into the RTS scene these days(SupCom was awesome, though). Starting off with the large-scale RTS, I can think of Sins of a Solar Empire, then you might want to check out Gratuitous Space Battles, AI War, Darwania and Defcon.

 

Maybe someone else has more suggestions.

 

EDIT: Throw Harvest: Massive Encounter, Massive Assault and Star Ruler on that list and keep an eye on Achron, just the trailers blow my mind.

EDIT2: I'm finding new stuff for myself as well now, APOX looks really cool.

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Cool find. GSB looked ok, but something's putting me off it. I might give Star Ruler a try, as well.

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I never got lost in old FPS, but then again I played 'em like madman. I wonder how many % of all FPS released in the 90's I complited at least twice. Heck, there are even some obscure ones like

 

Blake Stone - Aliens of Gold

 

Oh, I remember that one. It had some weapons that really packed a punch.

 

I think Descent and Descent 2 had the best FPS map design... and really confusing at times.

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I loved Shadow Warrior. Never finished it, but it was pretty cool. Better than Duke 3d, imo.

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I just wanted to say: play the Stalker games for shooters with open, well-designed maps. They are all great! (yes, even Clear Sky)

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Call me an old geezer, but I can relate to Montes point. It's probably one of the reasons I'm much less of a gamer today than I was 20-25 years ago. Style over substance and presentation over content. When in a nostalgic mood, I really miss the days where things like exploration and discovery were part of a game, searching pixel by pixel and trying the impossible in a bad case of OCD, trying to spot yet another secret item/location :p

 

Today you get more warnings than a fighter pilot does on his HUD... Pull up, Pull up!, Low altitude, Stall! Turn left, Flashing question marks and exclamation marks. I think I still have some hand drawn maps on some moderatly yellowed and aged paper from a labyrinth in one the C64 Bards Tale games somewhere in a binder. Effin teleporter/spin-me-arounds making it a challenge.

Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls doesn't seem to have auto-map. Unfortunately, it's only on PS3, though. For PC gamers, Wizardry Online, which even has "lost" feature is planned.

 

One of the things which makes me wonder is Japanese game development. While major companies doing their things, there have been being smaller companies making Wizardry games...

 

As a side note, somehow, in Japan, Wizardry series is taken as a classic fantasy, and thus, you will see not so many parodies/jokes such as Cuisinart blade, which was actually introduced as a blade which was forged by a legendary bladesmith Cuisinart. :rolleyes: I think that opening hours joke was there somehow, though.

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I never got lost in old FPS, but then again I played 'em like madman. I wonder how many % of all FPS released in the 90's I complited at least twice. Heck, there are even some obscure ones like

 

Blake Stone - Aliens of Gold

 

 

Shadow Warrior

 

 

Klingon Honor Guard (and I freaking hate Star Trek)

You forgot Rise of the Triad... best shooter of the 90s by a mile.

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Shadow Warrior

 

I loved Shadow Warrior. Never finished it, but it was pretty cool. Better than Duke 3d, imo.

 

Aye, I liked Shadow Warrior as well. Few shooters that no one has mentioned: Redneck Rampage, Blood and Hexen. Blood especially was pretty fun as co-op.

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What? I don't even.... That is a buy just to see how it works.

 

Which is a cunning marketing gimmick :p Regardless, I'm with you in being curious about it.

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That's why I always jump on the "back in my day..." kind of people. Perhaps I should resurrect the indie game thread...

 

Yes please :lol:

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I just wanted to say: play the Stalker games for shooters with open, well-designed maps. They are all great! (yes, even Clear Sky)

 

Am seriously thinking about investing time in Stalker 2 now its dirt cheap on Amazon.

 

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I just wanted to say: play the Stalker games for shooters with open, well-designed maps. They are all great! (yes, even Clear Sky)

 

Am seriously thinking about investing time in Stalker 2 now its dirt cheap on Amazon.

 

Any views?

 

Consensus is that it's the weakest of the bunch but there's still a pretty amazing modding community and Stalker games are generally p. decent, as long as you can forgive the quirks. Btw, Clear Sky is cheap pretty much everywhere.

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I just wanted to say: play the Stalker games for shooters with open, well-designed maps. They are all great! (yes, even Clear Sky)

 

Am seriously thinking about investing time in Stalker 2 now its dirt cheap on Amazon.

 

Any views?

 

 

They're all good, but Clear Sky the least so.

 

If you enjoy the STALKER atmosphere and environments then it's definitely worth spending some time with it, especially if you can get it cheapish.

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I could never finish Clear Sky, because even with the latest patch I got a ****load of script bugs which made it impossible to finish the game. Call of Prypiat is the best one, imo. It's very stable, has real quests, etc. etc.

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Fallout: New Vegas came out in 2010 and it had a wide open map.

 

And what about Far Cry 2 or the Stalker games?

 

I admit that I'm not as familiar with FPS as other genres, but I recall that linear design has always been around. Is there really more of it now?

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I admit that I'm not as familiar with FPS as other genres, but I recall that linear design has always been around. Is there really more of it now?

 

Probably not, no.

 

If Call of Duty and it's imitators were the only modern FPS games then perhaps the image from the OP link might have a point, though it would probably be better to compare a map of an old game with a map from an actual modern game, rather than the silly pic they used.

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Fallout: New Vegas came out in 2010 and it had a wide open map.

 

And what about Far Cry 2 or the Stalker games?

 

I admit that I'm not as familiar with FPS as other genres, but I recall that linear design has always been around. Is there really more of it now?

 

The linear design has been around a while, HL seems to be the first game I can recall that was linear in such a manner.

 

Before that it was all key cards and exploration.

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