Wrath of Dagon Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 NV did look very good, especially for an open world game. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Nepenthe Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 I'd draw the line at "any game that crashes repeatedly on a console is lacking in polish". Both AP and out-of-the-box FONV did this. And I mean REPEATEDLY. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
sorophx Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 it's the Obsidian way of bringing down consoles, it's not the lack of polish, it's sabotage Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe.
Nepenthe Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 golfclap You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
sorophx Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 :bows: Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe.
Hell Kitty Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 Day One: Deus Ex: Human Revolution Dragon Age 2 Mass Effect 3 Batman: Arkham City Probably: LA Noire Crysis 2 Skyrim Not Sure: The Witcher 2 Rage
Wrath of Dagon Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) NV only froze a few times for me during my entire playthrough on the 360, and none after the latest patch, although I didn't play it for very long. Same as pre-patch Oblivion. Not much else of significance. For a huge game like this, it's pretty hard to test all the different permutations in every location, so bugs are almost inevitable. Of the main stream games, I might try the Dragon Knight Saga once I feel like another RPG. Also DX if reading forums indicates it's any good. Edited December 27, 2010 by Wrath of Dagon "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Nepenthe Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 NV only froze a few times for me during my entire playthrough on the 360, and none after the latest patch, although I didn't play it for very long. Same as pre-patch Oblivion. Not much else of significance. For a huge game like this, it's pretty hard to test all the different permutations in every location, so bugs are almost inevitable. Sure, and I agree with you on the latter part - which is why I was only complaining about the hourly lockups I got on the PS3 version. That said, it was with the "retail" 1.01 patch, I haven't played it (or anything else for the matter) for a while, so I can't comment on the current state of affairs. I'll try to take it for a test drive soon. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions
Nightshape Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 Bugs are a fairly individual issue. I didn't encounter anything major in AP or FO:NV. Polish is also pretty deep in the personal opinion realm, I mean neither game is what I would call ugly or clunky. Polish isn't based upon opinion at all, hell I never loved a Blizzard game, but they're all polished to a gleam. AP and FO:NV are fugly games from all kinds of professional perspectives, being technically poor, and artistically void. AP was certainly clunk from a gameplay perspective. We can expand this analysis if you wish, the simple point is that basically polish isn't based on opinion, its based on obvious improvements due to development iteration. Uh, I'm not a professional developer. I'm just a gamer. As an untrained pleb, I thought AP looked good and FO:NV looked fantastic. I found both interfaces easy to use. If you really want to spend time educating me about this, feel free to. But I imagine it is a lot like comparing art. Sure, there is a huge difference between an untrained and a trained artist, but it gets a lot harder to explain why Picasso is such a big deal compared to some other neo-expressionist Joe Schmoe. Potentially, I'm trying to think of an extremely polished title that you may have played, that I know is exceptionally polished. It's just an extra assurance of quality over quantity, CoD isn't very polished in terms of its balancing, but the art tends to be highly polished, and aimed at the eyeline. Maybe you're correct and that to you its just a game, I actually hate the fact I've become a critical gamer who spots tiny errors, but hey, the main thing is... Is it fun? And I've always felt that Obsidian produce fun games, I believe they could also produce fun quality games, if they don't screw up like Trokia did. It's sad, but I don't see Obsidian working with the same publishers, that concerns me. I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
Purkake Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) If you need examples of polish, look at Valve and Blizzard. Awesome polish out the door and long-term support after that. Edited December 27, 2010 by Purkake
Malcador Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) Lucky they can afford the time to, as well. But I guess even their older work was, uh, 'polished', at least for Blizzard. Edited December 27, 2010 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Nightshape Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 If you need examples of polish, look at Valve and Blizzard. Awesome polish out the door and long-term support after that. Yeah sure, you can add Id to that list as well... I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
Purkake Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) @Malcador: Yup, if you have good ideas and make good games you will eventually get that luxury. Edited December 27, 2010 by Purkake
Nightshape Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 @Malcador: Yup, if you have good ideas and make good games you will eventually get that luxury. True enough. I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
Malcador Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 @Malcador: Yup, if you have good ideas and make good games you will eventually get that luxury. Seems to be, never got the love for either of them as their founding games seemed fun but nothing outstanding. But still lucky, they managed to avoid crappy management or publisher pressure. Different environment, I guess. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
entrerix Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 the only game i will buy on DAY 1 is diablo 3. just because I feel confident that it will be worth the full price i'll most likely get mass effect 3 on day 1 as well, i've come this far, and I loved ME 2. all the other games I will wait for some reviews first. just to make sure I don't pay full price for a half baked game. I'm glad i bought and played alpha protocol, but it only cost me $7.50, not $60. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
HoonDing Posted December 27, 2010 Posted December 27, 2010 I'll get Witcher 2 & TES V on release. Risen 2 as well, if it comes next year. With Dragon Age 2 & Mass Effect 3 I'll wait for a price drop. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Azure79 Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 Add Uncharted 3 for me. Both Uncharted games were a blast and definitely looking forward to the further adventures Nathan, Sully and Elena.
Enoch Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 Almost certainly: ME3, Dungeon Seige 3 Wait and see, but probably yes: DA2, Skyrim, Portal 2 Wait and see, but probably not until it's quite cheap: Witcher 2, Diablo 3.
Nightshape Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 I'll buy 'em all, I always do... Haven't got CoD this year, I refuse to pay such a price, its worth 10 quid, if that. I came up with Crate 3.0 technology. Crate 4.0 - we shall just have to wait and see.Down and out on the Solomani RimNow the Spinward Marches don't look so GRIM!
Morgoth Posted December 28, 2010 Author Posted December 28, 2010 There's also the unannounced stuff that will inevitably come out in Holidays 2011. For example, it's about time Starbreeze shows off their new game. Also Monolith should deliver something this year as well. And then there're rumors my old and beloved Pyro Studios are working on a new Commandos game. Good stuff. Rain makes everything better.
entrerix Posted December 28, 2010 Posted December 28, 2010 Ok here is my projected shopping list for next year. its looking a little brutal. the number on the right is the priority I am placing the purchase (also everything 1- 9 is something I would possibly be willing to pay full price for) PS3 uncharted 3, 9. last guardian, 3. twisted metal, 8. Little big Planet 2 12 PC dragon age 2, 5. portal 2, 4. total war shogun 11 rage 10. Skyrim 1. witcher 2 13 red faction: arma 14 deus ex 3 6. Mass effect 3 2. Not sure which platform batman 2 7. Dead Space 2 15 XBOX ? looks like an absolute **** year for xbox ? not sure if coming out in 2011 diablo 3 Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
sorophx Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 And then there're rumors my old and beloved Pyro Studios are working on a new Commandos game. I don't think anyone can top Commandos 2 I remember attempts by other studios to make a 3D version, but it never worked. Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe.
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 Hopefully the Team ICO collection remade for the PS3 and The Last Guardian. Add Deus Ex 3 to the list and if it turns out to be any good I won't need another game for the rest of my life. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
Monte Carlo Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 :: Sigh :: I'll probably be catching up with the past two years - The Witcher (groovy ultimate edition), King Arthur, CoD Black Ops perhaps (curious about the fuss) and if it's released Diablo 3. The wargaming / strategy sector is looking good from an indie POV, but that's an obscure subject for another thread. Curiously, nothing by EmoWare features in my list.
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