More UFO Madness

[Purkake]

Wow, I didn't realize I shared the board with a bunch of nutjobs(well, more nutjobs, anyway).

 

Sometimes it's just nice to keep a professional distance and only talk about video games...

Why hello, there.

So I guess that'll make you Mulder and by the end of the episode we'll have more unsolved questions than we have answers?

[Oblarg]

FTL travel does not exist. I'm sorry to burst all your sci-fi fantasies, but I can say this with 100% certainty - it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of physics.

[Gorth]

FTL travel does not exist. I'm sorry to burst all your sci-fi fantasies, but I can say this with 100% certainty - it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of physics.

How does physics explain entangled photons?

 

The university of Vienna has investigated the phenomena for years, trying to discover what makes one photon "communicate" effects to it's twin faster than light.

[Orogun01]

FTL travel does not exist. I'm sorry to burst all your sci-fi fantasies, but I can say this with 100% certainty - it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of physics.

How does physics explain entangled photons?

 

The university of Vienna has investigated the phenomena for years, trying to discover what makes one photon "communicate" effects to it's twin faster than light.

The general consensus is that the don't, they appear to be because of relativity. Maybe i'm wrong, I will need to check up on my quantum physics but I think it has something to do with the uncertainty principle.

 

Edit:btw Oblarg, I think that is accelerations beyond FTL that don't exist. FTL could be achieved by bending space.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Orogun01

[Oblarg]

FTL travel does not exist. I'm sorry to burst all your sci-fi fantasies, but I can say this with 100% certainty - it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of physics.

How does physics explain entangled photons?

 

The university of Vienna has investigated the phenomena for years, trying to discover what makes one photon "communicate" effects to it's twin faster than light.

 

There's no "communication" between entangled particles - that's a common misconception. Observing one simply determines the state of both - when you look at how wonky most quantum physics is, it's not all that unbelievable. It still doesn't have any relevance to FTL travel.

[Purkake]

Yes, there's quite a difference between sub-atomic particles and everyday life stuff.

[Gorth]

FTL travel does not exist. I'm sorry to burst all your sci-fi fantasies, but I can say this with 100% certainty - it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of physics.

How does physics explain entangled photons?

 

The university of Vienna has investigated the phenomena for years, trying to discover what makes one photon "communicate" effects to it's twin faster than light.

 

There's no "communication" between entangled particles - that's a common misconception. Observing one simply determines the state of both - when you look at how wonky most quantum physics is, it's not all that unbelievable. It still doesn't have any relevance to FTL travel.

Well, you sort of have to learn how to walk before you run faster than light...

 

The beauty of physics is that we don't know it all, only what we have been able to grasp, observe and theorise about so far. I'm normally not a believer in anything, but I do have certain degree of faith in human curiosity. Not possible doesn't exist, only unsolved puzzles.

[Oblarg]

FTL travel does not exist. I'm sorry to burst all your sci-fi fantasies, but I can say this with 100% certainty - it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of physics.

How does physics explain entangled photons?

 

The university of Vienna has investigated the phenomena for years, trying to discover what makes one photon "communicate" effects to it's twin faster than light.

 

There's no "communication" between entangled particles - that's a common misconception. Observing one simply determines the state of both - when you look at how wonky most quantum physics is, it's not all that unbelievable. It still doesn't have any relevance to FTL travel.

Well, you sort of have to learn how to walk before you run faster than light...

 

The beauty of physics is that we don't know it all, only what we have been able to grasp, observe and theorise about so far. I'm normally not a believer in anything, but I do have certain degree of faith in human curiosity. Not possible doesn't exist, only unsolved puzzles.

 

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

 

Not possible certainly exists.

[Gorth]

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

Luckily for us, there are people who look beyond the horizons of current knowledge and try to push the barriers, otherwise we would still live in caves and be scared of lightning.

[Orogun01]

FTL travel does not exist. I'm sorry to burst all your sci-fi fantasies, but I can say this with 100% certainty - it's obvious to anyone with any knowledge of physics.

How does physics explain entangled photons?

 

The university of Vienna has investigated the phenomena for years, trying to discover what makes one photon "communicate" effects to it's twin faster than light.

 

There's no "communication" between entangled particles - that's a common misconception. Observing one simply determines the state of both - when you look at how wonky most quantum physics is, it's not all that unbelievable. It still doesn't have any relevance to FTL travel.

Well, you sort of have to learn how to walk before you run faster than light...

 

The beauty of physics is that we don't know it all, only what we have been able to grasp, observe and theorise about so far. I'm normally not a believer in anything, but I do have certain degree of faith in human curiosity. Not possible doesn't exist, only unsolved puzzles.

 

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

 

Not possible certainly exists.

What about Time travel? aliens could have one of those.

[Oblarg]

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

Luckily for us, there are people who look beyond the horizons of current knowledge and try to push the barriers, otherwise we would still live in caves be scared of lightning.

 

This isn't about having an open mind - this is about cold, hard truth. You can ramble on all you want about how believing that our current knowledge is incomplete means that FTL travel is possible, but the fact is that it is not. You're fooling yourself.

[Gorth]

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

Luckily for us, there are people who look beyond the horizons of current knowledge and try to push the barriers, otherwise we would still live in caves be scared of lightning.

 

This isn't about having an open mind - this is about cold, hard truth. You can ramble on all you want about how believing that our current knowledge is incomplete means that FTL travel is possible, but the fact is that it is not. You're fooling yourself.

You sound like you find the very idea that Einstein could be wrong offensive?

[Oblarg]

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

Luckily for us, there are people who look beyond the horizons of current knowledge and try to push the barriers, otherwise we would still live in caves be scared of lightning.

 

This isn't about having an open mind - this is about cold, hard truth. You can ramble on all you want about how believing that our current knowledge is incomplete means that FTL travel is possible, but the fact is that it is not. You're fooling yourself.

You sound like you find the very idea that Einstein could be wrong offensive?

 

It's not just Einstein, bro. Strawmanning won't help you.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Oblarg

[Purkake]

Instead of thinking how "human curiosity" will break the laws of physics, try thinking around the problem.

[Gorth]

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

Luckily for us, there are people who look beyond the horizons of current knowledge and try to push the barriers, otherwise we would still live in caves be scared of lightning.

 

This isn't about having an open mind - this is about cold, hard truth. You can ramble on all you want about how believing that our current knowledge is incomplete means that FTL travel is possible, but the fact is that it is not. You're fooling yourself.

You sound like you find the very idea that Einstein could be wrong offensive?

 

It's not just Einstein, bro. Strawmanning won't help you.

Ah, I thought he was the first to promote the idea that FTL wasn't possible. You sure treat it like a religion thing. Not sure who ruined your day.

 

Accepting status quo never (rarely) lead to any progress. I prefer to not lay down and die just because people tell me that my next goal is impossible. Otherwise I wouldn't be where I am today. Even if the original outlined path to achieve something turns out to be "not viable", you might discover alternative ways of achieving the same result, sometimes in completely unexpected ways. You wont know until you try though.

[Guest The Architect]

Let's put it this way. You better hope they either don't exist or can't visit us. If they can travel faster than light, nuclear weapons become redundant. An FTL lump of iron is a doomsday weapon.

 

If their ship so much as crash landed then you could say goodbye to cities.

 

We have no intention of crash landing our ships on your planet, Earthling.

[LadyCrimson]

I am a sucker for a UFO story, any UFO craziness brings out the Lone Gunman in me.

 

I so badly want there to be aliens. OK, I want them to be friendly aliens, not scary human-eating reptiles, but that's not important right now.

 

So check out this story in a not-very-good UK newspaper.

 

Does anyone here know anything about these guys or are they the real deal? And, if anybody here is of a scientific bent, why might a saucer be an optimal shape for a space-craft?

 

Cheers

MC

I have yet to see an even remotely convincing 'spaceship' picture. Ever.

 

But I do think life on other worlds is at least possible. Whether it would be advanced enough to even have a chance of discovering our planet, let alone somehow either rapidly travel back & forth to frequently spy & report on us or have near-by bases somewhere as they watch the planet for hundreds of years is another matter. Again, it's possible...but I don't consider it very probable. (edit) Even if you could have some degree of FTL travel, space is BIG. I think you'd need those sci-fi wormholes instead.

Edited September 28, 2010 by LadyCrimson

[Meshugger]

That does not change the fact that we know enough to know that FTL travel is impossible. Discounting our current knowledge because "well we might discover that it's wrong" is simply an ignorant thing to do.

Luckily for us, there are people who look beyond the horizons of current knowledge and try to push the barriers, otherwise we would still live in caves be scared of lightning.

 

This isn't about having an open mind - this is about cold, hard truth. You can ramble on all you want about how believing that our current knowledge is incomplete means that FTL travel is possible, but the fact is that it is not. You're fooling yourself.

 

Nah, based on what was considered as scientific consencus, i wouldn't be surprised if humanity found a way. Also with your argument, you have to proove that despite all knowledge about everything, FTL travel is impossible.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Meshugger

[Walsingham]

Simple - they want to sell us stuff on account of our galactic scale greed.

 

Also, they may want some really well adapted mercenaries. (I stole this one from Alan Dean Foster)

 

Hey, the "we advanced aliens can't commit warfare for ethical/philosophical/neurological reasons, so we're here to get you humans to fight for us" has been used in way more sci-fi then just ADF's...

 

Really? Which ones?

 

I just like the notion that to some other species, I'm an ogryn.

[Raithe]

Simple - they want to sell us stuff on account of our galactic scale greed.

 

Also, they may want some really well adapted mercenaries. (I stole this one from Alan Dean Foster)

 

Hey, the "we advanced aliens can't commit warfare for ethical/philosophical/neurological reasons, so we're here to get you humans to fight for us" has been used in way more sci-fi then just ADF's...

 

Really? Which ones?

 

I just like the notion that to some other species, I'm an ogryn.

 

Tanya Huff's Confederation series.. - The Elder species are involved in a war and find humanity , offering to "uplift" them if they're willing to serve as military because as "advanced , moral beings they can't physically handle combat themselves.". They later discover a couple of other "young species" which can fight, but since humanity was first, it's the reason the Confederation Military is based around Human Marine design...

 

A few of the Baen authors have done similar.. John Ringo's Alldenata saga for one (mm roast-suckling damn-beast...)

 

Way more might sound hyperbole now.. but my memory has decided to blow chunks .. I know I've read a batch over the years that have used that to some degree or another.. .

[Monte Carlo]

I accept that when they do find alien life it will probably be as exciting as plankton.

[Tale]

No fans of the berserker theory? :'(

Edited September 28, 2010 by Tale

[Orogun01]

I accept that when they do find alien life it will probably be as exciting as plankton.

OHhhh , plankton

[Guest The Architect]

I accept that when they do find alien life it will probably be as exciting as plankton.

 

Yeah probably, and then that alien life in millions of years will evolve to find other alien life in bacterial form long after the human race is extinct, and the cycle of underwhelming discoveries of alien life on distant planets will continue.

Edited September 28, 2010 by The Architect

[Gorth]

I accept that when they do find alien life it will probably be as exciting as plankton.

Do not underestimate the power of the blue killer algae!