Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
ramza

Poor America... Poor democracy...

Recommended Posts

i've heard there have been strides made by the IRS toward better observation of constitutional rights in recent years... the notion of guilty till proven innocent is beginning to fade, apparently. of course, that doesn't address the myriad other problems.

 

taks


comrade taks... just because.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
i've heard there have been strides made by the IRS toward better observation of constitutional rights in recent years... the notion of guilty till proven innocent is beginning to fade, apparently. of course, that doesn't address the myriad other problems.

 

taks

No they still seize all of your assets, even in amounts greater than you actually owe first, then determine you actual debt later. You have to fight them in court or arbitration to get them back.

 

I danced with them back in 1998. I'd rather owe money to the mafia.


"I care nothing for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it"

Abraham Lincoln

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To piggyback on that, I've been thinking about a strategic foreclosure on my condo. We currently owe $360,000 and it is only worth about $200,000. Our loans are fairly cruddy, a 7% interest on an 80% loan and 10% on a home equity line that covers the other 20%.

 

I'm going to try to talk to the bank first, but it just feels like we are throwing away money. We can afford it, but we can also rent a much nicer house for half the mortgage.

 

What a headache.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I danced with them back in 1998. I'd rather owe money to the mafia.

uh, it has been since then, from what i recall, like over the last decade or so... though perhaps what you are referring to is the kinder, gentler version. maybe they used to beat you first, then the rest? :)

 

taks


comrade taks... just because.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I'd have to take the pragmatic view that special interests will always find ways to make their presence felt. If I were working for them, and the govt banned advertising I'd simply spend the budget on 'treating' the constituents of our supporters. A few children's playgrounds, a clinic, facilitated by the senator/councilman and on the evening news. Lovely. If that's too obvious what about a factory?

This happens too, particularly with defense contractors. Major systems production (like, say, the Joint Strike Fighter) is deliberately planned out so that parts of the product are produced in the maximum number of states and congressional districts, so that they know they'll have the largest possible contingent of Congresspeople fighting against any cuts to the program. It makes the prices they can offer less competitive, but there isn't a whole lot of competition for many of the really really complex contracts, so budget cuts present a greater threat than losing the contract to a rival firm.

 

Interesting.


"It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"."

             -Elwood Blues

 

tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That was really cheap and low class for Obama to call out the SCOTUS during his State of the Union speech. And that jackass Schumer in a fit of petulence and childishness claps right in Alitos ear. It amazes of me how small and petty men of such low character can be elected to such a high office. Maybe the good citizens of New York will do the whole country a favor and vote Schumer out of office in 2012. Small chance of that. Obama is looking more and more like a dead duck in 2012. God I hope so.

 

I'd trade Obama for Hillary Clinton right now if I could.


"I care nothing for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it"

Abraham Lincoln

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
"buy elections."

 

As in bribing voters or pollsters to rig results? That's already illegal so jail them.

 

The IRS is illegal too. Try and jail'em. :lol:

The entire internal revenue code is illegal.

 

J.

 

This.

 

 

Obama is looking more and more like a dead duck in 2012. God I hope so.

It's great. America is finally getting around to realizing all he's ever said is hot air, but eloquent hot air.


In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum.

 

R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So what's new? Politicians have been doing that for awhile now. Get with the times, man!


Hey now, my mother is huge and don't you forget it. The drunk can't even get off the couch to make herself a vodka drenched sandwich. Octopus suck.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So what's new? Politicians have been doing that for awhile now. Get with the times, man!

 

Yes, but most American politicians have been decidedly not socialist. The same unfortunately cannot be said for NObama.


In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum.

 

R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nonsense! Obama is not socialist. There, I said it.


Hey now, my mother is huge and don't you forget it. The drunk can't even get off the couch to make herself a vodka drenched sandwich. Octopus suck.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Nonsense! Obama is not socialist. There, I said it.

 

Uhhh... yeah he is.


In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum.

 

R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

... it's not as simple as "are you socialist or not".


"Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Nonsense! Obama is not socialist. There, I said it.

 

Uhhh... yeah he is.

 

Nope!


Hey now, my mother is huge and don't you forget it. The drunk can't even get off the couch to make herself a vodka drenched sandwich. Octopus suck.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

so, given that the former law professor (constitutional law, correct) said last night that foreign corporations were not excluded from this ruling*, i expect everyone is now going to point out that obama is a liar, right? i mean, you guys claim you are consistent... let's hear it.

 

taks

 

* specific words were: "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests

Edited by taks

comrade taks... just because.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nothing wrong with being a socialist except that in the American political venacular there is little to no difference between socialist and communist, it simply means something else than in the rest of the world. A misnomer that goes back virtually unchallenged to the cold war.

 

In most of central Europe Obama would be right of center and certainly not a 'red' of any denomination. So, Obama is an American socialist.

Edited by Gorgon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
so, given that the former law professor (constitutional law, correct) said last night that foreign corporations were not excluded from this ruling*, i expect everyone is now going to point out that obama is a liar, right? i mean, you guys claim you are consistent... let's hear it.

 

taks

 

* specific words were: "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, I read the whole State of the Union speech, but without the relevant contextual knowledge I can't make heads or tails of the policy announcements, just that he's still a very good speaker.

 

So does the ruling actually limit this to American corporations (and whats the definition in terms of board, shareholders, etc)? Or is Obama implying that 'American' corporations with a heavy foreign influence could in turn influence the elections?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
so, given that the former law professor (constitutional law, correct) said last night that foreign corporations were not excluded from this ruling*, i expect everyone is now going to point out that obama is a liar, right? i mean, you guys claim you are consistent... let's hear it.

 

taks

 

* specific words were: "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests


"Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
And his unprecedented attack on the Supreme Court, and during the State of the Union speech right to their faces just shows what a punk he is, who cares nothing about undermining our entire judicial system. Of course the Annointed One doesn't care about the judicial system, since we got him this time. Schumer is also a punk and a thug, who told Obama to take a 2x4 to Hillary while still pretending to support her.

 

So you are calling the President a punk, and complaining about anti-Americanism in other threads? He is the President of the United States. You can disagree with his policies while still being respectful of the office and our country.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
so, given that the former law professor (constitutional law, correct) said last night that foreign corporations were not excluded from this ruling*, i expect everyone is now going to point out that obama is a liar, right? i mean, you guys claim you are consistent... let's hear it.

 

taks

 

* specific words were: "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests


"Some men see things as they are and say why?"
"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

- Some guy 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
so, given that the former law professor (constitutional law, correct) said last night that foreign corporations were not excluded from this ruling*, i expect everyone is now going to point out that obama is a liar, right? i mean, you guys claim you are consistent... let's hear it.

 

taks

 

* specific words were: "Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
And his unprecedented attack on the Supreme Court, and during the State of the Union speech right to their faces just shows what a punk he is, who cares nothing about undermining our entire judicial system. Of course the Annointed One doesn't care about the judicial system, since we got him this time. Schumer is also a punk and a thug, who told Obama to take a 2x4 to Hillary while still pretending to support her.

 

So you are calling the President a punk, and complaining about anti-Americanism in other threads? He is the President of the United States. You can disagree with his policies while still being respectful of the office and our country.

How about he shows some respect for the Supreme Court first? He's the head of one of the co-equal branches of government, I'm not.

"Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...