Icerus Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well... I can see many people here got their views of communism from Red Alert series, sigh... I don't want to set the world on fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well... I can see many people here got their views of communism from Red Alert series, sigh... Who would you rather see at the head of the USSR following Lenin's demise: Trotsky or Bukharin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floodland Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 How the hell did this get to 4 pages? Was there a debate about communism? BATTLE, n. A method of untying with the teeth of a political knot that would not yield to the tongue. - Ambrose Bierce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 That's the only debate that matters. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Well... I can see many people here got their views of communism from Red Alert series, sigh... Who would you rather see at the head of the USSR following Lenin's demise: Trotsky or Bukharin? Jack Sparrow. Maybe not. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionavar Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Thread Pruned: Play nice in the sandbox please ... The universe is change; your life is what our thoughts make it - Marcus Aurelius (161) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cycloneman Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Trotsky: the last bastion of democracy in a sea of authoritarianism, or the would-be Napoleon of the Russian Revolution? I don't post if I don't have anything to say, which I guess makes me better than the rest of your so-called "community." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Trotsky: the last bastion of democracy in a sea of authoritarianism, or the would-be Napoleon of the Russian Revolution? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Trotsky: the last bastion of democracy in a sea of authoritarianism, or the would-be Napoleon of the Russian Revolution? Yes. You do realize that calling Trotsky the "would-be Napoleon of the Russian Revolution" is more-or-less openly admitting you're a Stalinist, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Shots fired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 What, it's not all about the ice pick delivery in south america? "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Trotsky: the last bastion of democracy in a sea of authoritarianism, or the would-be Napoleon of the Russian Revolution? Yes. You do realize that calling Trotsky the "would-be Napoleon of the Russian Revolution" is more-or-less openly admitting you're a Stalinist, right? Which part of my post was unclear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icerus Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Well... I can see many people here got their views of communism from Red Alert series, sigh... Who would you rather see at the head of the USSR following Lenin's demise: Trotsky or Bukharin? Well, I used to debate a lot with Trotskist, I think the main problem of them is they blame everything and do nothing, they are the "left wing of the left wing". But for your question, if there are only two options, Trotsky is my only choice, Bukharin's way would eventually lead to capitalism, he compromise too much. Edited October 18, 2009 by Icerus I don't want to set the world on fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Rorie Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Although I fear to say anything because I think it'll be a simplification, I would say that the major theme of AP would be one of loyalty. Loyalty to country, to a person, to a cause. Different people feel loyal to different things, or don't feel loyal to anything, or are loyal to something or someone that betrays them. How do you deal with that? You'll find that the characters of AP have very different reactions to betrayal, and have very different conceptions of loyalty. And how those reactions play out will impact the storyline as you discover it. Matthew Rorie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Although I fear to say anything because I think it'll be a simplification, I would say that the major theme of AP would be one of loyalty. Loyalty to country, to a person, to a cause. Different people feel loyal to different things, or don't feel loyal to anything, or are loyal to something or someone that betrays them. How do you deal with that? You'll find that the characters of AP have very different reactions to betrayal, and have very different conceptions of loyalty. And how those reactions play out will impact the storyline as you discover it. Sounds fun! If you guys work this theme well, it could make up for any shortcomings in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Sounds interesting... The conflict of loyalty and who you owe it to is always a fine and interesting one... To go with the classic quotes : "I could not love you so if I did not love honour more" or "If it comes down to betraying a friend, or betraying my country, I hope I have the courage to betray my country". It's always such a personal point of view... "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) Sounds interesting...The conflict of loyalty and who you owe it to is always a fine and interesting one... To go with the classic quotes : "I could not love you so if I did not love honour more" or "If it comes down to betraying a friend, or betraying my country, I hope I have the courage to betray my country". It's always such a personal point of view... Based on what Rorie said, it also allows for a very complex mix of ideas and ideologies to manifest themselves in the game, as he specifically mentioned "loyalty to a cause". Hopefully the game's treatment of such social commentary is as deep as Torment's treatment of certain aspects of philosophy. So it's unlikely the game will be a black and white lovefest like Bioware's games are. Edited October 22, 2009 by Krezack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Consequences! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblarg Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Sounds interesting...The conflict of loyalty and to whom you owe it is always a fine and interesting one... To go with the classic quotes : "I could not love you so if I did not love honour more" or "If it comes down to betraying a friend, or betraying my country, I hope I have the courage to betray my country". It's always such a personal point of view... Fixed. Edited October 23, 2009 by Oblarg "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I wish I could remember the correct usage of 'whom'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of flies Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Although I fear to say anything because I think it'll be a simplification, I would say that the major theme of AP would be one of loyalty. Loyalty to country, to a person, to a cause. Different people feel loyal to different things, or don't feel loyal to anything, or are loyal to something or someone that betrays them. How do you deal with that? You'll find that the characters of AP have very different reactions to betrayal, and have very different conceptions of loyalty. And how those reactions play out will impact the storyline as you discover it.I assume I can be loyal to the worldwide revolution, yes? Otherwise, comrade Rorie, I may not end up purchasing this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icerus Posted October 24, 2009 Author Share Posted October 24, 2009 (edited) Although I fear to say anything because I think it'll be a simplification, I would say that the major theme of AP would be one of loyalty. Loyalty to country, to a person, to a cause. Different people feel loyal to different things, or don't feel loyal to anything, or are loyal to something or someone that betrays them. How do you deal with that? You'll find that the characters of AP have very different reactions to betrayal, and have very different conceptions of loyalty. And how those reactions play out will impact the storyline as you discover it. Thanks for the information, I am even more looking forward to the game now. To lof: Come on, it's a game Edited October 24, 2009 by Icerus I don't want to set the world on fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Although I fear to say anything because I think it'll be a simplification, I would say that the major theme of AP would be one of loyalty. Loyalty to country, to a person, to a cause. Different people feel loyal to different things, or don't feel loyal to anything, or are loyal to something or someone that betrays them. How do you deal with that? You'll find that the characters of AP have very different reactions to betrayal, and have very different conceptions of loyalty. And how those reactions play out will impact the storyline as you discover it.I assume I can be loyal to the worldwide revolution, yes? Otherwise, comrade Rorie, I may not end up purchasing this game. I am America, and so can you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Although I fear to say anything because I think it'll be a simplification, I would say that the major theme of AP would be one of loyalty. Loyalty to country, to a person, to a cause. Different people feel loyal to different things, or don't feel loyal to anything, or are loyal to something or someone that betrays them. How do you deal with that? You'll find that the characters of AP have very different reactions to betrayal, and have very different conceptions of loyalty. And how those reactions play out will impact the storyline as you discover it.I assume I can be loyal to the worldwide revolution, yes? Otherwise, comrade Rorie, I may not end up purchasing this game. You should not buy it at all comrade. Since it's just going to feed the industrialist machine that is the video game industry. Contribute to the revolution and stay bored. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humodour Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Although I fear to say anything because I think it'll be a simplification, I would say that the major theme of AP would be one of loyalty. Loyalty to country, to a person, to a cause. Different people feel loyal to different things, or don't feel loyal to anything, or are loyal to something or someone that betrays them. How do you deal with that? You'll find that the characters of AP have very different reactions to betrayal, and have very different conceptions of loyalty. And how those reactions play out will impact the storyline as you discover it.I assume I can be loyal to the worldwide revolution, yes? Otherwise, comrade Rorie, I may not end up purchasing this game. You should not buy it at all comrade. Since it's just going to feed the capitalist machine that is the video game industry. Contribute to the revolution and stay bored. I have corrected your sentence. Edited October 27, 2009 by Krezack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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