Yeah, so, Neverwinter Nights 2...

[Monte Carlo]

I'll third the motion to switch off power attack. I never actually use it, I only take the feat as a pre-cursor for Cleave. It really is the root of the problem you're having.

 

I've run through the OC twice - once with a Ftr / Rog and once with a Ftr / Rog / Blackguard. That particular level was very easy for the Blackguard because I was summoning fairly powerful undead minions who were immune to backstab and using them as bait...

[aries101]

I'll just mention that the console key in Danish (and maybe European keyboards as well) is NOT the tilde key. It is in fact the

[Mamoulian War]

Really, I don't know if it's because of the latest patch(es) but I breezed both of these areas without too much effort. No hiding thieves nor weird spawning enemies. Each room had its share of enemies which were dealt with one at time.

 

The experience with RPGs in general and games like NWN2 helps a lot... There is big difference when I play the games, and my sister plays them... she is much into RPGs but she plays only 1-2 games per year and even if i roll her powerful main character, she has more troubles than me with pure Roleplay characters without exceptional stats or powerbuilds...

[Darth Jebus]

I'll just mention that the console key in Danish (and maybe European keyboards as well) is NOT the tilde key. It is in fact the

[Monte Carlo]

^ Darth Jebus, honestly, with MotB and SoZ installed it plays like a different game, runs smoother and looks better too.

[Enoch]

When I get home tonight I'll try this encounter again with Power Attack turned off and see how I do. I'll probably go see a merchant as well and stock up on healing pots and get the druid in my party for heals. I'll see how I do after all that.

Also useful: Have the Druid cast Barkskin on as many of your characters as you can. And Stoneskin (Qara can learn this one, too) if you can manage it. Both are long-duration spells that dramatically increase survivability.

[Darth Jebus]

I uninstalled the game. Thanks for all the advice, I certainly used it. I turned Power Attack off, bought some healing pots and put the druid in my party.

 

None of it worked

 

I even tried the trick of running back down to the first floor. It worked one time, but on the second time it said I had to gather my party before venturing forth. Uh...my party was dead. So it came down to me and one rogue in the doorway who was near death.

 

He dodged six consecutive times and killed me.

 

The game got a prompt uninstall after that. Look, video games are supposed to be fun. They may be annoying at times, but they are not supposed to be so frustrating that it actually makes you angry. And if you're not having fun, don't play it.

 

I was an ardent defender of Obsidian after the whole KOTOR2 debacle. If the search function on this forum goes back far enough, you can see my posts. I pointed the finger directly at LA for forcing them to rush out an unfinished product. I had heard some pretty harsh reviews from gamers about NWN2. I'll admit I wasn't too eager to play it, which is why I waited for so long before finally giving it a shot.

 

But I see now why this game is so scorned and ridiculed. It is, very simply, full of fail. Of epic porportions. I don't care how smooth the game runs and how much better it playes if you have the expansions, if you can't play the game smoothly or if the gameplay is sucky on its initial release, then the expansions aren't worth buying.

 

Say what you want about the original NWN, but just about everyone that played it could get through it. I don't recall a single level in that game that made me hate BioWare the way that NWN2 has made me hate Obsidian now. It's to the point where I doubt I'll even buy Alpha Protocol. Despite their storied past at developing PS:T and all that, these guys can't design a game to save their lives today.

 

I see now KOTOR2's failure was Obsidian's. It is clear after playing NWN2. And no way in Hades I'm going to subject myself to more frustration in that game, where the mobs will be unkillable, the game will be buggy, and your skills don't work properly. I mean, what is this? Bethesda?

 

So, anyway, thanks for the feedback and advice. But about the only good thing that I'll get out of NWN2 is the store credit for taking it back.

 

PS. Here's a final screenshot for posterity. Looked like it was going pretty well, right? Notice all the misses. Literally about five seconds later, we were all dead.

[kirottu]

Frankly, after searching official NWN 2 forums and not founding one single post with similar problem, I think it

[Monte Carlo]

I also found that area frustrating, but not impossible. Then again, I will invariably have my main character take the Dodge / Mobility / Spring Attack feat route, so I can move about without incurring AOOs.

[mrmud]

I never recalled having problems with any part of NWN2 so I really dont know what your problem is.

[Rostere]

I also played NWN 2 with an Aasimar Paladin when I played it for the first time. I had no trouble at all until the final battle. In fact, I don't even remember how I handled the area you're talking about. Are you sure you have the "right" party members for the task, or that you have not made a weird character build?

[ramza]

By the way, can someone please help me with one small task? I am trying to make a custom portrait out of this picture (see attachment) but I fail to understand how this can be done. Can someone please do this for me? Thanks in advance!

[Tigranes]

Say what you want about the original NWN, but just about everyone that played it could get through it.

 

Actually, I'd argue it was much harder to get through the NWN1 OC, just because you needed an abnormal level of tolerance for crap.

 

3.5ed D&D does let you screw up (unknowingly) to the point of getting horrible parties, and that particular room *was* inspired straight from Hell, though.

 

In fact, considering just how exceptionally bad that one area was, I'd have said just cheat past that building (as easy as godmode) and you'd never be so frustrated elsewhere... but I guess it's too late, huh?

[Darth InSidious]

Say what you want about the original NWN, but just about everyone that played it could get through it.

 

On yon contrary, my liege, I would arguest, forsooth, 'twas much harder to get through ye NWN1 OC; thou needest an level of tolerance for crap verily most abnormal.

 

On yon contrary, my liege, I would arguest, forsooth, 'twas much harder to get through ye NWN1 OC; thou needest an level of tolerance for crap verily most abnormal.

 

On yon contrary, my liege, I would arguest, forsooth, 'twas much harder to get through ye NWN1 OC; thou needest an level of tolerance for crap verily most abnormal.

 

On yon contrary, my liege, I would arguest, forsooth, 'twas much harder to get through ye NWN1 OC; thou needest an level of tolerance for crap verily most abnormal.

 

etc. ad nauseam

Fixed to more accurately reflect the sheer stab-your-own-eyes-out-with-a-blunted-spoon dreariness...

 

3.5ed D&D does let you screw up (unknowingly) to the point of getting horrible parties, and that particular room *was* inspired straight from Hell, though.

*shrug* I bumbled through with a high-wis, low-charisma favoured soul.

In fact, considering just how exceptionally bad that one area was, I'd have said just cheat past that building (as easy as godmode) and you'd never be so frustrated elsewhere... but I guess it's too late, huh?

Or just make sure to use Qara's powers as much as possible, and make sure she's got some AOE stuff. Usually I went with Qara and Casavir/Khelgar for muscle.

Edited July 12, 2009 by Darth InSidious

[Nightshape]

Ya know, I don't even REMEMBER the area that you guys are on about, so it can't have been that hard. Infact, I don't recall a single area that was exceptional in difficulty throughout the entire game. So I find this Darth Jebus's guys claims utterly out of whack.

 

That said, it's a bit like hades and the whole werewolf escapade.

[213374U]

When everything else fails... lower the difficulty?

 

edit: oh, and do buff your party and don't let them standing idly around the level entrance while you take on several mobs that focus on flanking/backstabbing all by yourself.

Edited July 12, 2009 by 213374U

[Gromnir]

there is some bs in jebus' posts... am just not certain why. look at the two screenies and the attack rolls. paladin character is getting 2 attacks, so is 'tween level 6 and 10, but keep in mind that qara is shown dying in screenie 1... the red number on her portrait (-24) reveals that her character level is 8... qara got a con o' 14, so she gets 6 hps per level. 24x2=48. qara gets 6hp per level... level 8. jebus assimar paladin level is gonna be 7. in first screenie, we see attack rolls modified by +7 and +2. without power attack, those adjustments would be +12 and +7. 'course the later screenie, meant to show difficulty, reveals +9 and +4... which is the unmodified bab results for a 7th level paladin with default strength of 15. initial question is why did jebus gimp self in second screenie? even after advice received, his paladin's attack effective got worse. with bull's strength, bless and a +1 weapon, a 7th level paladin with 15 str is getting attack bonus o' +15 and +10 on 2 attacks.

 

am suspecting that jebus is trying to make a point rather than being complete genuine, 'cause the numbers don't add.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[ramza]

Maybe he should just give up playing videogames?

Edited July 12, 2009 by ramza

[ramza]

Ok, so I am in Ember right now, gathering clues for the trial, and what do I see there? Human corpses and cat corpses... What kind of villainy is this? Damn you Luskans!!! Poor kitties...

Edited July 16, 2009 by ramza

[Darth InSidious]

Be sure to

look in the well.

[Tigranes]

Ya know, I don't even REMEMBER the area that you guys are on about, so it can't have been that hard. Infact, I don't recall a single area that was exceptional in difficulty throughout the entire game. So I find this Darth Jebus's guys claims utterly out of whack.

 

Wasn't so much a difficulty issue, was an issue of really bad design and cheesefest on the part of the enemies.

 

Also, Grommie scares me something fierce.

[GreasyDogMeat]

I found that area annoying too, but I also didn't have that much trouble getting through. I wonder if the area has become harder with a recent patch or something...

 

You should have tried a few user made modules before uninstalling.

[taks]

am suspecting that jebus is trying to make a point rather than being complete genuine, 'cause the numbers don't add.

as i recall, you should be well past 7th level by the time you get to fihelis' estate anyway, more like 10-12th or so. particularly so if you only want to go in there with 3 dudes and no summons.

 

taks

[Kelverin]

Went through fihelis' estate and got worked today. 4 party members died and Qara had 4 HP left when she took out the last Thug. Tough area, but fun as well. Hardcore difficulty with a few AI improvements

[Deraldin]

It's been awhile since I last played this section, but does the party still teleport during the conversation at the end of the second level? The first time I went through I got slaughtered. Second time I barricaded doorways and bombarded each room with AoE spells. A couple fireballs might not kill everyone, but it would usually take them down to the point where one hit would finish them off.

Edited July 17, 2009 by Deraldin