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I would locate your neck by doing a mind meld first. I would also discover your planet of origin and any innate species flaws.

Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
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Making a video game is not morally equivalent to hitting people in the face, regardless of how much you don't like the video game.

 

 

True, but nobody in this thread is hitting anybody in the face. It's all quite serene really.

Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
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Is your avatar out of focus or are my eyes broken?

Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
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It's better than spamming entire paragraphs where you basically state 'those who disagree with me are dumb and stupid' like you did with your post.

 

I just get to the point.

 

Not at all what I was saying... I was merely stating the impression I am getting from people such as yourself.

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It's 3d.

 

Ok... I'll be sure to look at it next time I'm wearing my red and blue glasses - oh, wait, that's right, I don't own a pair. :)

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Is your avatar out of focus or are my eyes broken?

 

It's 3d.

 

Edit: Meaning that you need colored 3d glasses.

I'm looking at it right now with my 3d glasses (I saved a pair from IMAX 3D Beowulf way back), and it's still not doing anything! :)

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Nope, it's like watching your friend being angry at Bethesda for walking down the street in a gay fashion and asking your friend "why so Homophobic?". Bethesda, after all isn't attaking anyone they're just doing what they want to do and there is nothing wrong with that unless it is obscene.

 

Hey? That example would imply that Bethesda is just a random person walking down the road who have no significance or relation whatsoever, and that's clearly not true. It's not quite being punched in the face (though some might feel it that way, which is why I chose that initially), but there's certainly a relation... the logic that since Bethesda legally own Fallout, they own everything about Fallout, and whatever they do with is completely up to them, and nobody has any right to try and change that, might be technically / legally correct, but is quite out of touch with reality in terms of how people feel and how the whole industry works. You can try and logically disintegrate the entire concept of fandom and succeed, but it won't exactly go away (and unlike some other things, like child porn, on which this argument is used, fandom isn't 'bad'). Bethesda own Fallout completely in the world of law, but not in practice... and theres a tacit understanding within the culture that you need to hold certain levels of respect for those who buy, love and spread the word about the franchise as well (though not an absolute level of respect).

 

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What did you think Bethesda did well in Oblivion? What did you find to be the game's strengths?

 

I don't know about strengths but the appeal was the same as the rest of the ES games, as well as games like Gothic or Boiling Point - I'm a sucker for open world RPG exploration type stuff.

 

Personally, I think shooting teddy bears at people is stupid and not fun at all, but Todd Howard thinks otherwise...

 

Actually even Todd Howard said that shooting teddy bears was pretty ridiculous.

 

I'm all for free speech, and if it helps someone to vent, I guess it's OK. I'd just note though that constructive criticism is a lot more interesting for others to read than blind hatred of a game no one's played yet.

 

WINNER.

 

Is there a fine line between constructive criticism and whining like a baby, or is it a grand canyon?

 

Anyway, I didn't think mkreku was complaining about people being only negative, rather that it's the usual suspects posting the same thing over and over. Posts like Jaesuns seem only to be about proving that Fallout 3 is horrible. It's the whole anti-fan thing. They're as bad as the "omg this is the greatest game ever" crowd.

 

you need to hold certain levels of respect for those who buy, love and spread the word about the franchise as well

 

Respect isn't given to those who aren't respectful to begin with. Those whose initial reaction to the news of Bethesda buying the franchise was, and remains "beth sucks fallout is doomed" ain't worthy of respect.

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"Not at all what I was saying... I was merely stating the impression I am getting from people such as yourself."

 

Only if youa r eignorant. I have compliment stuff I've read about it, and even defended it from others.

 

I stand by what i said about your post:

 

"It's better than spamming entire paragraphs where you basically state 'those who disagree with me are dumb and stupid' like you did with your post.

 

I just get to the point."

 

IT's entire existence was to flame, and to attack the posters in question not discuss the issue at hand. Typical of someone who fits my quotations above.

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"Not at all what I was saying... I was merely stating the impression I am getting from people such as yourself."

 

Only if youa r eignorant. I have compliment stuff I've read about it, and even defended it from others.

 

I stand by what i said about your post:

 

"It's better than spamming entire paragraphs where you basically state 'those who disagree with me are dumb and stupid' like you did with your post.

 

I just get to the point."

 

IT's entire existence was to flame, and to attack the posters in question not discuss the issue at hand. Typical of someone who fits my quotations above.

 

I'm not even certain you understand what's being disagree'd with? Really Volo you're twisting everything beyond intent... Which there is no need for.

 

If you've got a problem with the fact that I have felt the need to comment upon the fact that some folks have decided to dislike Fallout 3 before playing it, that's fine.

 

Now I don't recall saying you are the embodiment of that perspective either. So think as you will.

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Mkreku mentioned by name which you quoted when you went on your silly little rant yet you are now trying to pretend I wasn't one of your targets? Give me a break. On top of that, it wouldn't matter as the point still stands.

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Mkreku mentioned by name which you quoted when you went on your silly little rant yet you are now trying to pretend I wasn't one of your targets? Give me a break. On top of that, it wouldn't matter as the point still stands.

 

Oh please, trying to have a discussion with you is pointless. The only thing I can draw from this inane discussion is that you obviously don't think that people have decided to hate FO3 before playing it, for whatever reason. I think otherwise obviously, how that translates into a personal attack on you I feel is beyond logic. I honestly cannot grasp how you've taken THESE particular post to mean a personal attack on you. Sure, I'll make fun of something I feel is stupid, but I have no interest in arguing about percieved semantics of a clearly confused conversation. I hold my hand up and say I have indeed made comments in the past about your, blatantly pointless responses, this occasion was not one of those and I have no desire to derail the thread any further on the basis of what I feel is a clear misunderstanding on the part of all parties. If your offended in this case you shouldn't be.

 

As far as FO3 itself goes I intend to try it, but I don't expect anything remotely like the classic fallout games, in many ways this I feel could be good and bad, I'll form a real opinion when I've played it. I'm getting the impression that some people will buy the game to tear it apart so as to fuel their anger over how FO3 is not the game they wanted, rightly or wrongly its certainly their right to do so. I find hating something before experiencing it to be a little hastey to say the least, its a bias approch which I feel smacks of ignorance, but it can also be percieved as a true passion for a franchise they feel has taken the wrong path.

 

It is very likely that a new FO3 fanbase will spring up who will be just as rabid as the classic FO fanbase, leading to lengthy heated discussions resulting in a mere fact of subjective like and dislike.

 

Mkreku, to my knowledge was making a point of people flogging a dead horse (he quoted the names), and that's certainly something I feel is true about the most rabid fan-haters.

 

If anything,all I am saying could be wrapped up quickly in saying "Why can't people just wait and see?", but I feel that doesn't explore the topic enough.

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I have already seen enough of Fallout 3 that it is most certainly not a proper Fallout game. If you are going to make a series you need to be consistent in form, story, and style. Just compare Baldur's Gate 1 to Baldur's Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights 1 to Neverwinter Nights 2, even Morrowind to Oblivion. There is a level of continuity between the game in question and what came prior. Now we have Fallout 3. There is no consistency. There is no continuity between it and the games earlier in the series.

 

That is why I am against Fallout 3. The only reason why I am against Fallout 3.

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"I was merely stating the impression I am getting from people such as *YOURSELF*"

 

Game over.

 

Are you gonan try to claim that your first post wasn't directed at people such as 'myself', again?

 

Just admit it. It's not like you are the first person to accuse others directly including myself. Mkreku did. Just admit it, and let's move on.

 

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So why are you (Dark Raven, Volourn, jaguars4ever, etc) in this thread if you already know how bad it'll be? I mean, you hate Bethesda, you hate Oblivion and you hate everything you know about the game so far. So why keep coming back to repeat it in every thread you find about Fallout 3?

One I don't hate Bethy, just dissatisfied with their approach of ****ting on the greatest game world to hit pc games.

 

Two I like Oblivion, its a good game.

 

Three the voices of the true dissatisfied fans will be heard!

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I have already seen enough of Fallout 3 that it is most certainly not a proper Fallout game. If you are going to make a series you need to be consistent in form, story, and style. Just compare Baldur's Gate 1 to Baldur's Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights 1 to Neverwinter Nights 2, even Morrowind to Oblivion. There is a level of continuity between the game in question and what came prior. Now we have Fallout 3. There is no consistency. There is no continuity between it and the games earlier in the series.

 

That is why I am against Fallout 3. The only reason why I am against Fallout 3.

 

That doesn't mean FO3 will be a bad game in its own right. It may very well suck donkey nads, it may be a good game in its own right, anyone who's pretending it'll be a great and authentic continuation of the series is clearly not looking correctly.

 

My impression is that FO3 will be different, yet somewhat the same due to setting and branding.

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I am not saying that it will be a bad game, just a bad Fallout game. Big world of difference.

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I'm fully expecting a more role-playey (great word there) STALKER. If it manages to bring me back into the Fallout/Wasteland mood, even better. I don't expect it to be able to do that though. It can still be a good game, despite not being what everyone wishes it to be.

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I have no real expectations for the game. I probably will get the XBox 360 version to see how bad or how good the game is. I still don't get why couldn't Bethesda just make their own original post-apocalyptic IP. Putting the name of an old obscure PC game wouldn't have made the game sell any more than it would have.

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