Tigranes Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Of course guerilla warfare isn't new - that's not what I am contending. And I have no problem with the presence of guerilla warfare in a fantasy game, either. What I am saying is that what lots of games seem to do these days, Witcher being one of them, is take the very specific and recent imageries of guerilla warfare and carbon copy them onto the gameworld, which naturally doesn't work well. It's not just guerilla warfare, it's the way they dress, the suicide 'bombings', the crazed fanatical ramblings, the vocabulary and inflections, the hint of 'religious' fanaticism. By the way, that's Volourn you're talking to. He'll just hit the ball right back at you, dead centre. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) "The Witcher's very much a step in the right direction," The Witcher's 'diretcion sin't even new. It's old. So called 'dark fantasy' is nearly as old as stereotypical fantasy. So are unstereotypical dwarves, elves, and so on. Heck, D&D, the so called King of Fantasy Stereotypes variants of all the normal races - seafaring dwarves, surface dwarves who hate underground, elves who prefer caves, the non aggresive orcs, the barbaric halflings, and on son so forth. D&D isn't even all Happy Happy Land. The prototypical Realms have a darkside to them. See Thay. See Calimshan. See Maztica. Then there's Dark Sun. The Wicther is a good game that is so overrated espicially whenj it comes to it's 'maturity', and it''s 'newness'. It isn't mature, and it most certainly not new. Fantasy covers so many things it's ridiculous to label it in any one. Heck, when even D&D the so called primer example of 'generic fantasy' broke the mode decades ago, it's hilarious, to find anyone thinking that 'dark fantasy' is a new concept. P.S. Even FR video games have covered dark issues. Some small examples include that child killing dwarf in BG1/BG2, the NWN OC quest which had a grieving mother basically commit suicide, PST's potaganist, and the list goes on. R00fles! P.S. As for the whole terrorism thing.. I'm not saying that's a new concpet in the real world. It most cetrainly isn't. But, it's most certainly along with the concept of freedom fighter in vogue right now. It's certainly a catchphrase that comes with a certain meh to me now. P.S.S. Mr. gaider actually feels it doens't really do the DA elves justice anyways one way or the other. Edited January 10, 2008 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Elf terrorists, racial prejudice.... phh, that's just ridiculous to have in a Fantasy setting. I think BioWare should just plain drop DA and work on something interesting instead. Fantasy is dead, even if there are plenty of people here who will continue to beat its carcass with sticks for the rest of their lives. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Speaking of dead horses, right Kaft? Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Speaking of dead horses, right Kaft? More like those jellyfish that you find on the beach DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 "I also don't understand the widespread aversion to shaking up a ridiculously stale genre, honestly" Fantasy genre isn't stale. That's a myth. It's as awesome as it always was. Fantasy is myth. R00fles Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Di Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I've been looking forward to this game for years. However, I don't much like the sound of unrelenting bleakness that they are stressing. Unlike folks who enjoy what I call "unpleasantly gritty misery and mayhem" games, I like to feel happy and satisfied when I finish a game, not utterly depressed and in need of a shower to wash off the taint. Bio is one of my favorite developers, so I'll no doubt buy this game on faith alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I've been looking forward to this game for years. However, I don't much like the sound of unrelenting bleakness that they are stressing. Unlike folks who enjoy what I call "unpleasantly gritty misery and mayhem" games, I like to feel happy and satisfied when I finish a game, not utterly depressed and in need of a shower to wash off the taint. Bio is one of my favorite developers, so I'll no doubt buy this game on faith alone. I've been dying to find a Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga partner. Do you have a PS3? "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 No one has a PS3. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 No one has a PS3. I know at least two people on this forum that do. And they're the coolest members! "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 You and yourself? "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 1 out of 2 ain't bad, kitty cat. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Anyway, you having one kind of proves my point. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 It also proves mine. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 You'd have to actually be someone for that to prove your point. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) You'd have to actually be someone for that to prove your point. False and I'll prove it with math. No one is as awesome as me. No one = awesome = me Edited January 10, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Di Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I've been looking forward to this game for years. However, I don't much like the sound of unrelenting bleakness that they are stressing. Unlike folks who enjoy what I call "unpleasantly gritty misery and mayhem" games, I like to feel happy and satisfied when I finish a game, not utterly depressed and in need of a shower to wash off the taint. Bio is one of my favorite developers, so I'll no doubt buy this game on faith alone. I've been dying to find a Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga partner. Do you have a PS3? I presume this is rhetorical sarcasm, although I honestly don't see anything in my post that deserved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) I presume this is rhetorical sarcasm You presume too much. The game is awesome and makes me smile. It also has two player co-op, but nobody I know has it. :'( Other than that, it's a very multi-layered comment on the nature of humanity and entertainment. Edited January 10, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 No one has a PS3. I know at least two people on this forum that do. And they're the coolest members! I have one except its not really mine DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 You'd have to actually be someone for that to prove your point. False and I'll prove it with math. No one is as awesome as me. No one = awesome = me I can see why you're a psychology major. I've been looking forward to this game for years. However, I don't much like the sound of unrelenting bleakness that they are stressing. Unlike folks who enjoy what I call "unpleasantly gritty misery and mayhem" games, I like to feel happy and satisfied when I finish a game, not utterly depressed and in need of a shower to wash off the taint. Bio is one of my favorite developers, so I'll no doubt buy this game on faith alone. I've been dying to find a Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga partner. Do you have a PS3? I presume this is rhetorical sarcasm, although I honestly don't see anything in my post that deserved it. Hah! "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Elf terrorists, racial prejudice.... phh, that's just ridiculous to have in a Fantasy setting. I think BioWare should just plain drop DA and work on something interesting instead. Fantasy is dead, even if there are plenty of people here who will continue to beat its carcass with sticks for the rest of their lives. Agree. Though I wouldn't mind an RPG version of Lair. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Elf terrorists, racial prejudice.... phh, that's just ridiculous to have in a Fantasy setting. I think BioWare should just plain drop DA and work on something interesting instead. Fantasy is dead, even if there are plenty of people here who will continue to beat its carcass with sticks for the rest of their lives. And even more who are more than willing to accept it if it would just put on a mask! Join me, and we shall make Production Beards a reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kools Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 "The Witcher's very much a step in the right direction," The Witcher's 'diretcion sin't even new. It's old. So called 'dark fantasy' is nearly as old as stereotypical fantasy. So are unstereotypical dwarves, elves, and so on. Heck, D&D, the so called King of Fantasy Stereotypes variants of all the normal races - seafaring dwarves, surface dwarves who hate underground, elves who prefer caves, the non aggresive orcs, the barbaric halflings, and on son so forth. D&D isn't even all Happy Happy Land. The prototypical Realms have a darkside to them. See Thay. See Calimshan. See Maztica. Then there's Dark Sun. The Wicther is a good game that is so overrated espicially whenj it comes to it's 'maturity', and it''s 'newness'. It isn't mature, and it most certainly not new. Fantasy covers so many things it's ridiculous to label it in any one. Heck, when even D&D the so called primer example of 'generic fantasy' broke the mode decades ago, it's hilarious, to find anyone thinking that 'dark fantasy' is a new concept. P.S. Even FR video games have covered dark issues. Some small examples include that child killing dwarf in BG1/BG2, the NWN OC quest which had a grieving mother basically commit suicide, PST's potaganist, and the list goes on. R00fles! P.S. As for the whole terrorism thing.. I'm not saying that's a new concpet in the real world. It most cetrainly isn't. But, it's most certainly along with the concept of freedom fighter in vogue right now. It's certainly a catchphrase that comes with a certain meh to me now. P.S.S. Mr. gaider actually feels it doens't really do the DA elves justice anyways one way or the other. Well, no. You're entirely missing my point. Having a sailing dwarf or a heterosexual elf in a fantasy game doesn't automatically make them variants of the usual old fantasy garbage. Nor does throwing the setting to a realm like Thay, or Calimshan, or whatever else you're talking about. I haven't read a D&D rulebook since I stopped reading Dragonlance, but I'll agree that those are probably this "dark fantasy" concept you're talking about. Unfortunately, that's not what I'm pushing for, because it's still clearly aimed squarely at the 12 to 16 demographic. And I'm not trying to turn that into an insult; if that's what people like, then by all means, they ought to go nuts with it. But the success of The Witcher indicates that there are at least a fair proportion of RPG fans out there who'll be just as happy with a To Have And Have Not take on fantasy as they will a Green Eggs And Ham take. You want to claim The Witcher's direction isn't new, go right ahead; I can't think of a single RPG out there, though, other than that one, that goes to such pains to make it clear you're not in Disneyland/The Sword Coast. I know this isn't going anywhere, for the same reason that Nintendo keeps pumping out Mario and Zelda games. People buy them. And they're going to keep buying the usual fantasy drivel, too, so why stop making that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 (edited) It's pretty funny that you'd classify the Witcher as not meant for the twelve to sixteen year old demographic. Indeed, it panders to that group more than any game I've played in the last 10 years. Edited January 11, 2008 by Pop Join me, and we shall make Production Beards a reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tale Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 (edited) Adults are the people that violence and sex supposedly either is intended for or are the ones who can handle it. However, violence and sex pander to youths who are the only people interested. Being an adult no longer has any meaning in this context! I'll go play some Hanna Montanah for the DS! Edited January 11, 2008 by Tale "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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