Darth Reven Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Its been a while since i've been here so this may have already come up but anyway. I'm doing paper for my english class over weather or not video games are art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I had this huge post filled with links and informative quotes, attached vids, pics and graphics that all resulted in one very simple answer that anyone can understand without any shred of doubt: Yes. http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 There are artistic aspects in the development process but 99.9% of every game released has been for the purpouse of entertainment. and as a sidenote: I study computer game design and graphics and its strange that the english does not differentiate between an artist(picasso) and an artist(someone who produces graphics for a computer game). Game CGI is about illustrating the visions of the designers, not to create a work of art. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 They are an art, when I play them!! :D "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveThaiBinh Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 They're rarely if ever great art, but I think they have the potential to be. I don't agree with Roger Ebert that having player control means the medium is fundamentally flawed and cannot achieve the status he feels movies have. It's possible that a single game playthrough could be a work of art, as a collaboration between designer and player, without the game itself being a work of art. There was a long and interesting thread about this in the Computers and Consoles forum from months ago, in which you'll find many arguments more coherent than mine. :D "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 There are artistic aspects in the development process but 99.9% of every game released has been for the purpouse of entertainment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> who says art can't be entertainment? it's still a "painting" of sorts when you make graphics.. at least imho.. Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Art is what happens when an artist lets himself loose on a canvas, lump of clay or sheet of paper. When youre making game graphics, you work entirely with someone elses ideas and your work is constantly checked and corrected. The primary function of a Lead artist is to ensure that every piece of graphics for a game has the same look and style. And in that climate, its not possible for the kind of individualistic expression that true art requires. Also, a game is a very very compromised medium where a single genius will find it impossible to achieve something that is even close to his original medium. And art must never ever compromise. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) I think it's art. That's all I need. Likewise, a lot of modern art falls in Kaftan's description, and I don't consider that art at all. Besides, most of the art you find in a museum was, ultimately, done on comission. If that isn't compromising, I don't know what is. Look at it this way - if it wasn't art, why do you have a lead ARTist? Edited June 8, 2006 by TrueNeutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Drabek Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I don't like the "craftsman vs. artisan" debate, because I believe both painting a canvas and upholstering furniture can be considered art - if the creator is skilled and takes great care in his/her work. baby, take off your beret everyone's a critic and most people are DJs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 By the way, a game isn't just graphics. A game is written, there are dialogs(usually), music, lighting, colors, etc. It doesn't matter if someone called an "artist" actually only implements elements, the concepts, the ideas, the visions all came from someone. http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Not art. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Define art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Define art. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok : Art http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) Ha Ha. I want the thread starter's definition of art. Out of curiosity really. Art is subjective. I for one consider my phallus to be nature's most beautiful artwork. Suppose. Greatness lies in the details. Art in the soul. Edited June 8, 2006 by Baley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokishi Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Hot Coffee is art. Current 3DMark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I don't consider video games to be art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Art is what happens when an artist lets himself loose on a canvas, lump of clay or sheet of paper. When youre making game graphics, you work entirely with someone elses ideas and your work is constantly checked and corrected. The primary function of a Lead artist is to ensure that every piece of graphics for a game has the same look and style. And in that climate, its not possible for the kind of individualistic expression that true art requires. Then how can people claim that movies are art? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) Because those who claim that are WRONG. Edited June 8, 2006 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I guess books and music aren't art either then. Oh well. " http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 'Tis a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Because those who claim that are WRONG. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At the risk of pissing off ol' Gromnir.... What is art Volo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I am art. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I am art. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This guy is on to something :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I am art. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> On the plus side, I'm working from home today and can squeeze in one minute turns to shatter you and your art! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Art is what happens when an artist lets himself loose on a canvas, lump of clay or sheet of paper. When youre making game graphics, you work entirely with someone elses ideas and your work is constantly checked and corrected. The primary function of a Lead artist is to ensure that every piece of graphics for a game has the same look and style. And in that climate, its not possible for the kind of individualistic expression that true art requires. Then how can people claim that movies are art? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Most films are purely entertainment, but in film a small number of extremely driven people have succeeded in bending the medium to their will and create films which are works of art. The whole "auteur" thing and that. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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