Fallout in 9 minutes?

[Darque]

O RLY?

[metadigital]

Sure he was obviously metagaming, but not cheating. Just imagine how many times he played the game to perfect his technique ...

[Llyranor]

Meh, people who play through CRPGs 30 times are lamer.

[Tigranes]

There's usually more lameness / meta involved in doing this with CRPGs, but sometimes stuff is really ingenious. But then, some people won't care about that, and that's too bad.

 

Those recordsetters def. don't think it's the way to play games usually.

[alanschu]

Just do god mode or cheat, same thing. Get to the ending quickly.

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Oh. My. God.

 

It is in no way the same thing.

[LoneWolf16]

That HL2 one in an hour and a half was amazing. I mean...so many shortcuts...took me that long to get past the first couple sections, damn it.

[StillLife]

The only problem I have with these speed run videos is when some kook decides to try and use them as evidence of a game's shortcomings.

 

"Fallout could easily be beat in 9 minutes, I'd hardly call a game that short 'complex'."

[LoneWolf16]

Yes, but having seen things like this, and knowing that nobody who just plays the game has any clue how to do even a quarter of this stuff, those arguments are null and void the second they're typed.

[Cantousent]

First of all, the way in which someone else enjoys a game they've purchased is no concern of yours.

 

Okay, for the village idiots out there: yes, if they use the disks to murder someone or some other non-sense, we need to be concerned. Go leap at yourself.

 

Anyhow, as I said, however they enjoy the game, it's their business and not yours.

 

Furthermore, folks like these don't even pose a danger for those of you who want longer, more in-depth games. You know why? They don't get bragging rights for finishing a 10 hour game in 9 minutes. They get bragging rights for finishing a 40 hour game in 9 minutes. I have inside knowledge to folks who like to brag about these kind of things, and they want it to take everyone else a long time so they can brag about how quickly they did it. Morrowind in 7 minutes is the pinnacle of bragging rights because the game grants normal players upwards of a hundred hours or more. They might not be hours of enjoyment, but they're hours nonetheless.

 

Another thing is, these are normally people who loved the game so much that they invested the time and effort to truly master it. They love the game in the way some of you love your favorite movie or book. Hell, some of them love the game in the same way some of you love your wives.

[alanschu]

Amen.

[Surreptishus]

If Eldar changed the last word of his post to something else, it would have been perfectly flamey. Then again it would be quite crass for him.

 

I was watching the JK2 video and some of the shortcuts used were quite funny e.g. laying a bunch of mines in a tight spot and leading a boss to them.

 

Its the only one I've seen so far but it looks like it was done on easy difficulty and the edits between levels may hide the possibiity of not doing the game in one go but rather capturing the best attempt of each level and then making it into a film. In which case it makes it a bit less impressive IMO.

Still entertaining to watch.

[Fenghuang]

First of all, the way in which someone else enjoys a game they've purchased is no concern of yours.

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What if a part of the way I enjoy my games is stuffing the cardboard of the box down little children's throats choking them to death? :ph34r:

[Atreides]

The dudes are obviously very good players. The speed Mario dude owns.

[Tigranes]

What if a part of the way I enjoy my games is stuffing the cardboard of the box down little children's throats choking them to death?

 

Ah, but do you use lubricant?

Edited April 24, 2006 by Tigranes

[Deraldin]

I remember this place. If it wasn't for them I would never have gotten one of the final gold cards that I was missing in Bomberman 64. Walkthroughs didn't help, but actually being able to see someone do it made it much clearer.

[Cantousent]

You don't belong in a village so much as the inner-city, Child. :Eldar's completely blank face with maybe the slightest lifting of one eyebrow icon:

[Niten_Ryu]

As a speedrunner myself, I can understand why some think this is stupid or pointless. But there's only so much challenge you can get out of game before you have to start making it more difficult for you.

 

We (or at least I) usually play game first time the same way as everyone else. For me the game usually takes bit longer then people on average, because I try to search every place and do every sidequest or complite all objectives. If game allows multiple ways to complite it or some enounters in game are different based on what you do or what gender/class/profession you play, we try those out too.

 

After game mechanics are known and game is interesting enough, we might start to look what type of things we could in it. This includes speedrunning, either multi-segment (saves) or single-segment (no saves at all) or gimmick runs like ghosting (avoinding doing damage at all if possible) or killing all opponents (by use of only one weapon ect ect).

 

Speedrunners don't use console command cheats but they do use any bugs that are left in game. Again it's easy to understand that some would say they use cheats. Usually during gimmick runs people don't use bugs, except maybe some AI flaws, environment or kiting (keeping mob away from you while moving around).

[metadigital]

Cheers for that, Niten Ryu.

 

@Eldar:

[Musopticon?]

The real reason why speedruns are nothing like karka and Gabs portray them to be is a simple one:

 

Because they are fueled by awesomeness.

Edited April 24, 2006 by Musopticon?

[astr0creep]

I'm particularly proud of my 10 hours for Hordes of the Underdark.

[Llyranor]

Like me.

[metadigital]

As a speedrunner myself, I can understand why some think this is stupid or pointless. But there's only so much challenge you can get out of game before you have to start making it more difficult for you.

 

We (or at least I) usually play game first time the same way as everyone else. For me the game usually takes bit longer then people on average, because I try to search every place and do every sidequest or complite all objectives. If game allows multiple ways to complite it or some enounters in game are different based on what you do or what gender/class/profession you play, we try those out too.

 

After game mechanics are known and game is interesting enough, we might start to look what type of things we could in it. This includes speedrunning, either multi-segment (saves) or single-segment (no saves at all) or gimmick runs like ghosting (avoinding doing damage at all if possible) or killing all opponents (by use of only one weapon ect ect).

 

Speedrunners don't use console command cheats but they do use any bugs that are left in game. Again it's easy to understand that some would say they use cheats. Usually during gimmick runs people don't use bugs, except maybe some AI flaws, environment or kiting (keeping mob away from you while moving around).

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What about a game like Tombraider, where there is a bonus level if the player gets all the hidden triggers ... I assume they need to incorporate the triggers and bonus level, too?

[Darth Somethingorother]

Some people just have too much time on their hands.

[Niten_Ryu]

What about a game like Tombraider, where there is a bonus level if the player gets all the hidden triggers ... I assume they need to incorporate the triggers and bonus level, too?

 

I'm not expert on console type game speedruns with hidden levels and such. It's most likely that in pure speedrun those will be skipped but certain 100% runs (100% secrets, 100% kills/coins/whatever) or 100% speedruns all those are included.

[metadigital]

Tombraider is also a PC game.