GhostofAnakin Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Yes, yes you do <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Any suggestions? "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
Darque Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Planescape Torment That is if you're wanting to stick with DnD
Slowtrain Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 If Oblivion can just be a slightly more interesting MW that will be good enough. Based on what I've read and heard ther are enough changes and improvements to make Oblivion considerably more than slightly more interesting. My biggest concerns are bugs. EVen fully patched MW contains more bugs than most games, and only the fan patches that have taken a loing time to create have finally squashed most of them. My second biggest concern is the beast of a PC that will be required to run it. Anyway, I'm looking forward to it, bt I won't be rushing out the door the day it is released. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
GhostofAnakin Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Planescape Torment That is if you're wanting to stick with DnD <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The setting? Or the game? I've played the game. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
Nick_i_am Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Wow, screw actual writing, RPGs dont need crap like that, Oblivion is going to be grrrrreat. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
GhostofAnakin Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Umm... I thought you wanted game ideas <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No. Story ideas. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
Llyranor Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 lol it was just a misunderstanding all along (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
Haitoku Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 My second biggest concern is the beast of a PC that will be required to run it. I don't know why, but since this will be coming out for Xbox 360... You can expect a very unoptimized PC version. ... It's just a feeling I'm having.
alanschu Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I don't recall the original being all that unoptimized.
Nick_i_am Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Are you dare suggesting that cross-developing for consoles somehow lessens the quality of PC games? (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
Plano Skywalker Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 * good AI * rideable mounts (should have been a staple years ago) * "tighter" main story * full VO all of this makes for a much better game....I really wish they were going to have hirelings but I doubt they will.
Gabrielle Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Full VO is a big plus. Intelligent AI is always welcomed but I never look forward to ever getting it. I have yet to find a game with intelligent AI.
SteveThaiBinh Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 So yes, I'll confess that unexpected actions such as those listed do kinda make my RPG juices flow! IF... and it's a big if... such descriptions are accurate and routine within the scope of the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And if the NPC doesn't decide to kill someone vital to the main quest but you don't find out about it until four hours later because you were in the next house when it happened. Radiant AI worries me. Aside from that, I'm still pretty optimistic about Oblivion. Bethesda seemed to recognise they had to make improvements over Morrowind's storyline and characters, rather than pretending they were good as they were. If Oblivion shows significant improvements in these areas, I will love this game. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov)
~Di Posted January 14, 2006 Author Posted January 14, 2006 Hehe, according to the article NPC's vital to the main quest CANNOT be killed... by anyone. Yeah, at this point the entire game just sounds too danged good to be true, but I can't keep myself from being excited about it. I am a bit worried about whether my aging PC will be able to handle the tech, though. Time will tell.
Lyric Suite Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Did they ever hire a decent writer? That's pretty much all i care about at the moment. Morrowind was a decent game in it's own right , but the writing was so excruciatingly horrid i still have nightmares about it. Also, it was one of the most sterile games i ever played. If they fix those issues i might be interested, it's not like there are a lot of alternatives anyway. The future of RPGs it's utterly grim at the moment...
Haitoku Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Did they ever hire a decent writer? That's pretty much all i care about at the moment. Morrowind was a decent game in it's own right , but the writing was so excruciatingly horrid i still have nightmares about it. Also, it was one of the most sterile games i ever played. If they fix those issues i might be interested, it's not like there are a lot of alternatives anyway. The future of RPGs it's utterly grim at the moment... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've read the story (actual story!) will be a bit more "tighter." I'm guess it won't be as big (and empty) as Morrowind, but will have something better to follow.
Hell Kitty Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Sure got my juices flowing. And that statement got my juices flowin'... Anyway, I'm really looking forward to Oblivion. I'll run out and buy it as soon as possible, and then touch myself all day long.
aVENGER Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 The Radiant AI stuff sounds impressive, but I'm still not a big fan of Morrowind's Wikipedia-style 'dialogue' system which is apparently getting reused in Oblivion. We then visited a town, which seemed a little quiet -- not the bustling center of trade we were hoping to see, but the citizens we managed to talk to were quite animated. Each character in Oblivion has a voice and lip-syncing, the idea being to enhance the immersiveness of each encounter; but conversation trees progress, unlike in games like Knights of the Old Republic, without your answer. In each conversation you have a list of topics from which to choose, but your replies and questions aren't written out. This is a design choice held over from Morrowind. Also, after reading a bunch of those RPGCodex rants I got the idea that the gameplay mechanics are going to be simplified when compared to Morrowind. Just to name a few of my irks: less skills overall, a huge quest pointing compass, no levitation, no mark and recall, no spears or crossbows oh and, apparently, axes are now blunt weapons. Nonetheless, Oblivion might still be fun despite such little irritations, but I'd rather choose Gothic 3 for my non-linear RPG fix.
Kaftan Barlast Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 conversation trees progress, unlike in games like Knights of the Old Republic, without your answer. In each conversation you have a list of topics from which to choose, but your replies and questions aren't written out. This is a design choice held over from Morrowind. And very effectively ELIMINATING actual roleplaying right there. I knew it! I HATE BETHESDA!!!! :angry: Explanation: Roleplaying on the computer depends on giving the player the opportunity to express his character through dialouge options. The player must be able to be friendly, rude, arrogant, humorous etc. through choosing dialouge options. If you replace real lines like "Yes, sweet beautiful Ravel. I came back for you, my love" with keywords "Ask about: magic weapons" or simple yes/no options. Youre not playing anyone else but yourself, sitting at the computer, playing a game. Youre not roleplaying anymore than if youre playing Super Mario Bros. for the NES DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
CoM_Solaufein Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 I'll give Bethesda a chance with Oblivion. I won't give them the chance to the sacred Fallout series though. That baby belongs here with it's family. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is StrengthBaldur's Gate moddingTeamBGBaldur's Gate modder/community leaderBaldur's Gate - Enhanced Edition beta testerBaldur's Gate 2 - Enhanced Edition beta tester Icewind Dale - Enhanced Edition beta tester
~Di Posted January 14, 2006 Author Posted January 14, 2006 Yes, yes, let's hate Oblivion and hate Bethesda for making it even before the game goes gold. Why should we actually play something before casting aspersions when we can actually skip the middle man, save all that money, and trash the game before it's released! w00t! I sure wouldn't let "RPGCodex rants" make my game-buying decisions, but y'all can do what you wish. I plan to watch forums after the game's release, see if there are more than average tech problems, see what the consensus of players... players , not mean-spirited bad-mouthers... think of the game, then make my decision. I'm hoping it comes out like the PC Gamer preview indicates, because that is exactly the kind of game I would love. I also love the Gothic series and will be buying Gothic III no matter what. BTW, since Obsidian forum rules forbid trashing other game developers, please stop doing so. You'll get my poor little thread deleted.
Nick_i_am Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Why should we actually play something before casting aspersions when we can actually skip the middle man, save all that money, and trash the game before it's released! Did you just answer your own question? Personally I love Oblivian because Morrowind was grrrrreat. Go go real roleplaying! Go go real diologue! Go go non-boring quests! Go go actual NPCs! (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
Musopticon? Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 I also love the Gothic series and will be buying Gothic III no matter what. BTW, since Obsidian forum rules forbid trashing other game developers, please stop doing so. You'll get my poor little thread deleted. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hear, hear! Agreed. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
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