Archmonarch Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 "Russia's Interfax news agency reports that notorious spammer Vardan Kushnir was found brutally murdered. His body was discovered in his Moscow apartment on Sunday, showing evidence of repeated blows to the head." Article And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moth Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Ouch. Pretty brutal stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantousent Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 It is truly horrible that a man was murdered over something like spam. The ugliness that exists on the internet has poured out into "real life" in unhealthy ways. I don't wish to trivialize murder, and I offer no excuse for killing a person because they spam the internet. However, if he hadn't been murdered, we would probably revile his practices. It is a sign that people felt powerless under the law that they decided, in a brutal and misguided way, to seek justice of a different kind. Let's face it, Vardan Kushnir engaged in activities as a result of which he received many death threats. He knew the risk and yet continued to act. He did not receive death threats because he was a champion of civil rights or because he stood up to the mob or the state. No, he was a champion of spam. He should never have been murdered, but he should not have engaged in something so odious as corporate spamming in the first place. He didn't spam a few fora. If folks were murdered for that sort of thing, Baley would be dead already. (a little levity in a heavy subject.) If I die for a cause, I would certainly want it to be something other than "FREE SPAMMERS!" Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Let's face it, Vardan Kushnir engaged in activities as a result of which he received many death threats. He knew the risk and yet continued to act. He did not receive death threats because he was a champion of civil rights or because he stood up to the mob or the state. No, he was a champion of spam. He should never have been murdered, but he should not have engaged in something so odious as corporate spamming in the first place. He didn't spam a few fora. If folks were murdered for that sort of thing, Baley would be dead already. (a little levity in a heavy subject.) If I die for a cause, I would certainly want it to be something other than "FREE SPAMMERS!" Ah, yes. The martyrs of the 21st century. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 That article doesn't exactly engender much sympathy for the man. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguars4ever Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Better watch your back Baley. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Well everyone pretty much hated him, and I am shocked that you are all acting this way and feeling sorry for him. What happend to you guys? What happened? Note: by "you guys" I mean the forum in general, not you specifically that replyed. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I'm going to assume that this "spammer" is nothing like Baley, but one of those guys that posts junk mail to millions of people per day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atreides Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I think locking a serial spammer up in a cell without internet access might be more painful. I think I would get early withdrawal symptoms - not that I'm a spammer mind you. Spreading beauty with my katana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 It's hard to tell what they mean by spammer... It could just mean that he ate alot of spam Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguars4ever Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 And it seems this thread is heading in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Meh, he wouldn't need to be murdered then. He was already knocking on death's doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodo kast 5 Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 well everyone's gotta die sometime, some sooner then most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveThaiBinh Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 This is just speculation, but the spam that he was spamming was adverts for his English language school. There are some Russians, a small minority on the extreme right, who deeply resent the growth of foreign influence in Russia since the fall of Communism and see these language schools as outposts of Western Imperialism. 'Killed by Anti-Spam Gang' is a great headline, but until the police investigation is complete, we shouldn't assume that was the cause. "An electric puddle is not what I need right now." (Nina Kalenkov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I think you are reading too much into this. Spam means money. Money attracts OC in Russia like blood attracts sharks in open water. He probably got whacked for refusing to pay the right guy, or withholding payment. And frankly, my "All men are brother" spiel has a line. Mass spammers are on the wrong side of it. The evil quotient of spam may be tiny, but the amounts are immense and the motivation pure greed. You want to cry over a dead spammer? Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodo kast 5 Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Hey!I didn't say i'm cryin' over it!Read the posts ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Hey!I didn't say i'm cryin' over it!Read the posts ! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not everything is about you. It is truly horrible that a man was murdered over something like spam. The ugliness that exists on the internet has poured out into "real life" in unhealthy ways. I don't wish to trivialize murder, and I offer no excuse for killing a person because they spam the internet. However, if he hadn't been murdered, we would probably revile his practices. It is a sign that people felt powerless under the law that they decided, in a brutal and misguided way, to seek justice of a different kind. Let's face it, Vardan Kushnir engaged in activities as a result of which he received many death threats. He knew the risk and yet continued to act. He did not receive death threats because he was a champion of civil rights or because he stood up to the mob or the state. No, he was a champion of spam. He should never have been murdered, but he should not have engaged in something so odious as corporate spamming in the first place. He didn't spam a few fora. If folks were murdered for that sort of thing, Baley would be dead already. (a little levity in a heavy subject.) If I die for a cause, I would certainly want it to be something other than "FREE SPAMMERS!" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where life has no value, death often has its price. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Git yer 'ot death 'ere! What's that guv'nor? Ascending bowel cancer? That'll be seven an' six. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 There's some lovely filth down 'ere ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 "The Unwashed Villagers" strikes again! (w00t) (wonders if there is anybody out there who gets the reference :blink:" ) “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguars4ever Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 "The Unwashed Villagers" strikes again! (w00t) (wonders if there is anybody out there who gets the reference " ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bukkake? (w00t) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 "The Unwashed Villagers" strikes again! (w00t) (wonders if there is anybody out there who gets the reference :blink:" ) Bukkake? (w00t) *Groan* I'm going to leave a trail of bread crumbs from your place to the nearest hive of Fallout fans for that blasphemy! “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguars4ever Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I'm going to leave a trail of bread crumbs from your place to the nearest hive of Fallout fans for that blasphemy! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Translation: I'm going to post a hyperlink from your site to No Mutants Allowed for that blasphemy! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 *Groan* I'm going to leave a trail of bread crumbs from your place to the nearest hive of Fallout fans for that blasphemy! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, you do that. We need the food. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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