Lifthransir Bane Posted November 21, 2004 Posted November 21, 2004 By appearances, humans are the dominant species in the Star Wars galaxy. I mean, consider it; the Empire had a policy of racism against all non-humans, and yet still managed to rule the entire galaxy and man all of those fleets of Star Destroyers, Super Star Destroyers, Death Stars, yada yada yada, etc. etc. etc. Thus, it's only fair to assume that humans are such a prolific and powerful species that they can keep the rest of the races of the Galaxy subordinate without the whole fabric of society collapsing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Plus, according to the load screens, vast segments of the galaxy are unexplored in KotOR which could be where a lot of non-humans live.
Rosbjerg Posted November 21, 2004 Posted November 21, 2004 Its just to give a point of references to "normal" people .. While I do not doubt for a second most people here would enjoy a galaxy 100% populated by aliens and you yourself was an alien most "normal" won't.. And how alien are the aliens of SW really .. I mean everyone looks kinda a human anyway! Fortune favors the bald.
Darth Ni Posted November 21, 2004 Posted November 21, 2004 I agree with more diversity. After all, it would be fun to gut more than just Human Sith. How about Twi'leks, Rodians, Zabraks etc. ?
Barzarel Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 Make sense the Sith is racists against aliens since your rewarded dark points for not helping them. Also remember how they treated the Selkath in the sith manaan base. While they may at times work with aliens it often seem they carry a big dislike to them. EDIT: Remember sith is about hate so anything that gives them motive to do so are obvious regarded with ideals, racist is based on hate and ignorance both DS traits.
Laozi Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 I think probaly alot of the idea about the sith being racist comes from the EU, where as I have not read all the info I don't remember there being an alien sith lord back then, It seems that was a strange oversight if the sith are indeed not offically racist. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blond hair.
Darth Ni Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 Darth Ni has the spirit <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks mastaGAW :D
213374U Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 Well, the Sith weren't really human in the beginning... they were Sith. So it doesn't make much sense that for some reason they become racist one day. That was just a lame way to make the Sith look more evil. Duh. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Kaftan Barlast Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 The Sith arent really racist, it was just more estheticly pleasing(and simple) to have the empire in the original films consist of humans only. All other reasons are EU nonsense. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Nur Ab Sal Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 I think probaly alot of the idea about the sith being racist comes from the EU, where as I have not read all the info I don't remember there being an alien sith lord back then, It seems that was a strange oversight if the sith are indeed not offically racist. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually in Tales of the Jedi, most of Exar Kun's followers were aliens from very different species (even if Exar held a grudge against the Cathars). So the EU never actually shown Sith as racists (Palpatine was only exception but he has litle common with ancient sith). In KOTOR it would be a problem to present 40-50 different types of aliens that were shown in Tales of the Jedi without overwhelming xbox limited abilities. That's why you can ba under impression that Sith were racist. Remember that Uthar Wynn himself was member of some near-human race becouse he commented Revan's humanity like it was something curious to him. HERMOCRATES: Nur Ab Sal was one such king. He it was, say the wise men of Egypt, who first put men in the colossus, making many freaks of nature at times when the celestial spheres were well aligned. SOCRATES: This I doubt. We are hearing a child's tale.
SoulSwindler Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 I don't think the sith are racist. When Palpatine took control, he simply took out the large power structures which were heavily alien influenced so that he could have complete power. (Confederacy.) Human worlds like Naboo rallied to his side because of the clone wars. I doubt the was ever a time when Palpatine looked at a wookie and thought 'I hate those hairy walking carpets.' I think he looked at things as power and weakness and would think more like 'Those wookies are strong and proud, they would threaten my rule if I donot contain them.' His own apprentice was a Zabrak. If he every used racist propoganda, which he probably did, it was most likely based in fueling flames to gather support, not his own ideological views. He was a master manipulator. I have little doubt that if the Separtists won, his empire would be made up of aliens.
mastaGAW Posted November 23, 2004 Author Posted November 23, 2004 Probaly. if history it wouldn't make sense for them to be racists. DANG IT I NEED A DEV'S ANSWER !!!!!
GhostofAnakin Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 I am wondering if more non-humans will have a key role on the different planets of KOTOR2. In KOTORI all the Sith were human and all the Republic Soldiers were human this doesn't make sense. On any planet why couldn't the majority race be involved with either side. Humans dominated everything I know there have to be many planets not colonized by mostly humans and where human members of the Republic or Sith didn't control . The galaxy is a diverse place so why are humans the predominant species. Thats one thing about KOTORI that didn't make much sense. Is it the same in KOTOR2 with only human Sith and Republics. I hope it isn't . If not is it too late in the game to change it a little. This would make the enviroments feel moreso different and diverse. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Humans generally dominate the Star Wars galaxy in terms of population size. Sith are probably like their Empire decendants in which there is a strong anti-alien bias, although that might have been just an oversight on Bioware's part (I don't know enough about the Sith and their teachings during that time). As far as why the PC is human only, I'd guess it's to do with any romance angles. It'd probably mess things up having a playable Trandoshan romancing a human female. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
Lord Satasn Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 I think probaly alot of the idea about the sith being racist comes from the EU, where as I have not read all the info I don't remember there being an alien sith lord back then, It seems that was a strange oversight if the sith are indeed not offically racist. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually in Tales of the Jedi, most of Exar Kun's followers were aliens from very different species (even if Exar held a grudge against the Cathars). So the EU never actually shown Sith as racists (Palpatine was only exception but he has litle common with ancient sith). In KOTOR it would be a problem to present 40-50 different types of aliens that were shown in Tales of the Jedi without overwhelming xbox limited abilities. That's why you can ba under impression that Sith were racist. Remember that Uthar Wynn himself was member of some near-human race becouse he commented Revan's humanity like it was something curious to him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't blame Exar for hating cathar...I have a grudge agaisnt them too! I hated Juhani! and her stupid annoying Russian peasant wannabe accent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rosbjerg Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 I don't blame Exar for hating cathar Well he does look quite stylish with that fashionable scar he got from one of them! So I think he should be grateful! Fortune favors the bald.
Lifthransir Bane Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 Make sense the Sith is racists against aliens since your rewarded dark points for not helping them. Also remember how they treated the Selkath in the sith manaan base. While they may at times work with aliens it often seem they carry a big dislike to them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are rewarded dark side points for not helping the philanderer on Tattooine escape his droids. As far as the selkath, is that treatment any different than the treatment that Uthar gives to anyone who has failed a mission, e.g. Shaardan if you give him a fake sword. The selkath failed to become sith, thus they were killed. The sith only appear to be rascist against the weak.
QalOrt Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 The Sith and Empire are Racist against Xenomorphs. The Empire is not Sexist against women! There was Adm. Dalla and Kason Mor( Tie Interceptor Ace and Leader of the 147Th i think that was her squad) the were female stromtroopers and there were imperial govenesses and ambassadresses. The Krath also hate aliens. But you know why the Sith and Emp. and Krath hate aliens. Because Humans are always getting our butts whipped by aliens just watch Alien or Predator, your best bet is to play HALO and HALO 2 and read the HALO books. StarCraft helps reenforce that point. Juhani was no Russian! the Russians hate Cathars. Yeltson ordered them all killed. KGB! I think the Sith are a Humanoid species. Propibal scientific name Homo Sapien Sith. The Humans [Earthers], Krath, Mandalorians, and Sith will survive in the Rise of Humanity. The Echani can die!
Lifthransir Bane Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 Yeltsin was a drunk. Glasgow's a much safer place without him ordering the KGB director to give him 'an irish carbomb' every five minutes. eh, I got nothin...
QalOrt Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 Lol. I was going to use russian dictaror nikita's last name but i cant spell it.
MASTER Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 The Humans [Earthers], Krath, Mandalorians, and Sith will survive in the Rise of Humanity. The Echani can die! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There are alot more human like races than that. and the sith species where alliens not humans.
Ivan the Terrible Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 That was just a lame way to make the Sith look more evil. Duh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bingo. Give the man a cigar. If the Sith in KOTOR were anti-alien, they might've informed Yuthura Ban of that before she became second-in-command of the Sith academy. It's just another example of KOTOR contradicting itself at various times. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
MASTER Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 no, if they were anti-alien then half the sith on korriban would not have been there, or they would have been corposed.
KOTORFanactic Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 Bingo. Give the man a cigar. If the Sith in KOTOR were anti-alien, they might've informed Yuthura Ban of that before she became second-in-command of the Sith academy. It's just another example of KOTOR contradicting itself at various times. Perhaps the Sith are anti-alien, but I think if they found an alien, who was strong in the force (ala Yuthara Ban) then I think that they would make an exception.
Ivan the Terrible Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 Perhaps the Sith are anti-alien, but I think if they found an alien, who was strong in the force (ala Yuthara Ban) then I think that they would make an exception. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then why was there a common Twi'lek Sith soldier on Manaan (check one of the landing terminals)? No, I think the whole idea of the Sith being anti-alien is pointless. Nothing was done with it, and there was really no reason for it. It's just another attempt to make the Sith look as evil as possible without regard for common sense.....like Malak killing his own troops on Taris or common Sith soldiers all being as rude and obnoxious as possible for no apparent reason. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
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