Ivan the Terrible Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 We've got a definite origin; he's a Jedi and a veteran of the Mandalorian War who was exiled for reasons unknown, which will presumably be spelled out in the course of the game. So we've got a solid background there. But what about even more detail? Do you want to run into past friends, enemies, etc. from your character's previous life, or would that impact too much on how you want to think of your character? For example, I always found it annoying as hell when Baldur's Gate 2 just assumed I was a goody two-shoes in the first game who travelled with Jaheira, Minsc and Imoen, rescued Viconia, etc. etc. even when my character was a freaking Priest of Talos. KOTOR solved this problem (to an extent) by making our character as he is now a blank slate. The fact that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith meant nothing in the game because our character was a totally different person than he was before. The same was true of Planescape: Torment. But here there are no memory problems. If you meet a character who was supposedly your 'friend' during the Mandalorian Wars, and you think he's a complete jackass, the problem of why you befriended him in the first place will still remain and put you at odds with the game's interpretation of your character. On the other hand, a 'blank slate' usually ends up as pretty freaking boring. If your character could have been anything, as in Fallout, then the unfortunate consequence is (mostly) stale dialogue which tries to cover every base. Games like Morrowind don't even bother with the dialogue; they just have key words you can choose, and let you imagine what your character is actually saying. In other words, each side has it's advantages and disadvantages. Which is more appealing to you? I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resin Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I like to given the little info given on our character for this game. I don't want instances in dialogues and events to flesh out his past if at all possible. I would like for the game to enable me to define my character by going through "gray" areas, instead of black and white (i.e.: KoToR I) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carth Vader Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Leaning towards well-defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I want to feel like I am playing my character not the developers. As open ended as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errantry Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I would prefer it if I had to do as little imagining on who my character is as possible; while having it open-ended is nice for no-plot games, the character needs to have some traits that remain steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofAnakin Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 well-defined. i have no imagination. "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargate: 2000 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I am leaning to open ended. I think having some structure would be nice but having the choice of who or character is would help make the game more real, in my opinion anyways. "The only difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits!" - Albert Einstein. "It's better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!" "You can try to kill me, you'd fail!, but you can try!" - Revan. "When you have exhausted all other possibilities whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes (a.k.a. Sir Arthur Conan Dole) "A lack of planning on your part, does not constitute an emergency on my part" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 As defined as it needs to be to make the story good, with as much left to me as possible. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iolo Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 As open ended as possible. I want to play an RPG. Not an adventure game with RPG elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDoe Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I'd like as much definition as is needed to complete a quality story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Wanderer Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Open-ended for me, but I still want there to be a few things that are defined, like at least a few details about the character's past. Otherwise it risks become too boring, as has been said before. Despite the fact that many people who've played KOTOR has a negative view on it, I'm still very optimistic about the Februari release and can't wait to get my paws on the game :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corebit Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I voted well defined. It's not possible for open ended (other than good and evil) gameplay in this kind of game anyways. As in KOTOR you will be limited to several lines of dialog to choose, so most of the plot will be very defined. The most important choices will be your morality and that will influence most of the plot and dialog, just like the original game. And that's fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iolo Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Well defined sounds like crap to me. I don't want a game like that. If they can't make a more open ended game, then make it like KOTOR1. More defined would just ruin the experience for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargate: 2000 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 what about having multiple story lines that will develope depending on how you answer the questions at the begining of the game, for example if you said that you did DS then you have a darker story line, LS a lighter story, or if you told atton to bugger off then it becomes more open ended beyond the peices of the back story we already know. "The only difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits!" - Albert Einstein. "It's better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!" "You can try to kill me, you'd fail!, but you can try!" - Revan. "When you have exhausted all other possibilities whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes (a.k.a. Sir Arthur Conan Dole) "A lack of planning on your part, does not constitute an emergency on my part" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted July 23, 2004 Author Share Posted July 23, 2004 Heh. There seems to be a wide divergence of opinion on this subject. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 what about having multiple story lines that will develope depending on how you answer the questions at the begining of the game, for example if you said that you did DS then you have a darker story line, LS a lighter story, or if you told atton to bugger off then it becomes more open ended beyond the peices of the back story we already know. I'm supporting that idea. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I'd like to develop my "own" background using the same method the devs are using to define how KotOR 1 played out on an individual basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackFlag311 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Open. "Role Playing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Jar Jar Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Should be pretty open ended. After all, the PC was banished from the order after following Revan into the Mandalorian wars. I doubt you'll see many war buddies because they would've been other jedi who followed Revan, and the PC is supposed to be the last jedi left, right? So, I'd think the PC is going to probably start the game as a loner former jedi, something like Jolee from KOTOR 1. Obviously, the Sith are after you, and I doubt any jedi you may encounter are going to be likely to trust you right off the bat, after all, you followed the dark lord of the Sith, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted July 24, 2004 Author Share Posted July 24, 2004 I doubt you'll see many war buddies because they would've been other jedi who followed Revan, and the PC is supposed to be the last jedi left, right? Ahhh, but the key word is last Jedi. Who knows how many Sith you may encounter who were once your comrades-in-arms against the Mandalorians and who fell with Revan to the Dark Side? I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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