Judge Hades Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Why do you think I wouldn't care how she looked? It's just a freakin' story, shut up. You are telling me to shut up? Don't you know by now that never works. Argh... noobies. She looks likes like Tank Girl meets Bobba Fett. Wrist Rocket in that pic of her is highly improbable however. Wrist Rocket system would be too heavy for a mere flesh arm to hand. She will would burn her hand each time the rocket is released. She will either need to have a cybernetic appendage or a full battle glove on that arm. I haven't seen that video either so its it an instant firing of the boosters or is it air propelled from the jettison device which then the rockets fire after a good 4 to 6 feet distance from Mira? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Yeah, inspite of Paris Hilton's likeness to a farm animal, I'd take her over that man-thing any single day of the week. I'd have to be absolutely hammered to find the Mira model as it is currently attractive in any way. You know, it is just a computer game. If you desperately need an attractive women, go out and meet one, or, failing that, watch some porn. Having "totally hot bounty hunters" in KOTOR 2 should not be a priority. Then what is the top priority? If making good looking models and skins isn't a top priority for the artists I'd be hard pressed to believe that they would make anything else a priority. It's nice that you would stuff your mouth with such a stupid argument about how I should watch porn or that it's 'just a computer game' but all I'm saying is that if Obsidian isn't going to put the effort (and I'm not saying that they won't, given the amount of complaints about Mira) to make characters with high aesthetic appeal, certainy a lot of people are going to be unhappy. You might not think of graphics as a top priority, and neither do I (especially since gameplay is more important) but where's the harm in modifying the texture of her face? As a texture artist, I'll say that it isn't difficult. If built from scratch, and given some talent, an artist can produce a high quality facial texture in just a matter of hours. It doesn't take days, much less weeks or months. When you're working on a triple A title you can't afford to neglect certain elements just because they aren't a 'priority'. It would be a huge niggle if many of the characters looked as messed up as Mira - and she's a main character. This sort of substandard design doesn't impress gamers, much less reviewers. Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Look, I don't care about the romances as long it's well-written and serves the story. I don't care if it's with one character or a few. I don't care if she's hot or average looking or whatever because it's...iI don't know...A VIDEO GAME. All I ask is that you don't have me playing Telos 90210 or Korriban Place or some s***t like that. Then why bother with anything at all? Why bother about the quality of graphics - who cares if it's in 8bit, right? It's just a video game. Why bother about sound effects? Beeps and 'ding' sounds will do just fine as lightsaber sounds. It's just a video game. Good, interesting gameplay that's exciting and doesn't bore the piss out of you? Who needs it. Just clone Pong instead. It's just a video game. Who cares if the NPCs only say a single line throughout the game? It's just a video game. Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Why do you think I wouldn't care how she looked? It's just a freakin' story, shut up. You are telling me to shut up? Don't you know by now that never works. Argh... noobies. She looks likes like Tank Girl meets Bobba Fett. Wrist Rocket in that pic of her is highly improbable however. Wrist Rocket system would be too heavy for a mere flesh arm to hand. She will would burn her hand each time the rocket is released. She will either need to have a cybernetic appendage or a full battle glove on that arm. I haven't seen that video either so its it an instant firing of the boosters or is it air propelled from the jettison device which then the rockets fire after a good 4 to 6 feet distance from Mira? They're just micro-missiles. I'm sure Star Wars technology is sophisticated for miniturization to have a huge role in technological development. Just as well, I'm certain there's probably a few kinetic sponges to soak up the recoil from the initial launch. Stop making a fuss about that. Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 I am not making a fuss, kay maybe a lil' but if you are going to put weapons like that they need to be plausible in their design and in their workings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Hopefully they'll explain the workings of her wrist-rocket launcher weapon in accordance with the SW universe so it doesn't seem out of place. Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Well, if it was Cyberpunk 2020 they have a Wrist Rocket Launcher that is vry plausible in its design in their Chrome Book 1. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indalecio Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Yeah, I know the "standards" in that sense, indalecio. Though I would argue that the most beautiful have something a-symmetrical in an almost completely symmetrical face. I can't imagine they have a way to prove anything beyond a correlation of symmetry and attractiveness. Symmetry can be boring. Well symmetry makes sense from a physical standpoint. Means the person behind the face is healthy. Not as likely with an asymmetrical face. Take a look at a boxer at the end of his career, or even after a long bout. His face is really messed up from the pummeling he took. He's not going to be winning any Mr. Universe contests at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 On the plus side, at least Obsidian is breaking the bull dyke barrier. They're paving the way for a future of hideous love interests, where we can learn to appreciate the inner Mira and not focus so much on her man-chin, gigantic lips, and freakishly spaced eyes. Ladies and Gentlemen....the future of CRPG love interests is NOW. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Quasar Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Mira looked a lot better in the E3 video. I think that's just a bad close-up shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrell Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 She needs bigger breasts. Bastila had a nice pair of pixelated mammories /end random creepy internet guy request Breasts? Lol, that won't do for me. I'm an ass/thighs man. And nice tight stomach. PlayMoreConsoles TheForce.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 I don't recall Bastila looking that bad in any close up shots. You know, there's a difference between real people and textured models. Textures never change from shot to shot. Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Compare: to Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDoe Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 l I'm saying is that if Obsidian isn't going to put the effort (and I'm not saying that they won't, given the amount of complaints about Mira) to make characters with high aesthetic appeal, certainy a lot of people are going to be unhappy. Theres a difference between good graphics and aesthetic appeal of the female characters. I'm betting you hate movies where the female lead isn't some hot blonde right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 You'd be wrong in thinking that. There's a huge difference between having a cute girl, who looks like a girl as an NPC and a mongoloid who's passed off as a cute girl because all the descriptions say so. Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Maybe she just woke up and hasn't had that first cup of coffee yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan the Terrible Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 You'd be wrong in thinking that. There's a huge difference between having a cute girl, who looks like a girl as an NPC and a mongoloid who's passed off as a cute girl because all the descriptions say so. Exactly. The irony being missed by some is that she isn't supposed to be a hideous man-thing; she's supposed to be 'easy on the eyes', the very description beneath her picture says so. I'm sorry, but that thing is about as easy on the eyes as a ginsu knife. I made this half-pony half-monkey monster to please you But I get the feeling that you don't like it What's with all the screaming? You like monkeys, you like ponies Maybe you don't like monsters so much Maybe I used too many monkeys Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dereth Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Just shrink the lips and make the hair longer in the front, might also want to make the eyes a bit smaller and at a steeper angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightcleaver Posted June 27, 2004 Author Share Posted June 27, 2004 I am not making a fuss, kay maybe a lil' but if you are going to put weapons like that they need to be plausible in their design and in their workings. Just like lightsabers, eh... so shut up I was thinking miniaturization as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Jebus Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Oh dear gods, what are you freak monkeys talking about now? Your KotOR2 love interest? Hebbie Jebbie has it right, whot the frak cares? Its a video game. Am I Hebbie Jebbie? Ivan seems to have alot of funky pictures. Does anyone else find this disturbing? Then why bother with anything at all? Why bother about the quality of graphics - who cares if it's in 8bit, right? It's just a video game. Why bother about sound effects? Beeps and 'ding' sounds will do just fine as lightsaber sounds. It's just a video game. Good, interesting gameplay that's exciting and doesn't bore the piss out of you? Who needs it. Just clone Pong instead. It's just a video game. Who cares if the NPCs only say a single line throughout the game? It's just a video game. yes, though I'm pumped for KOTOR 2 and will prolly play it multiple times...it's only a video game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 The most disturbing thing is that she has an uncanny ressemblance to the male PC I was using in KOTOR. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exitium Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Who cares if it's only a video game. I've heard of such a thing as 'quality control' and having a mongoloid romantic female interest whose eyes are too far apart, chin's too broad (even compared to males) and whose lips are larger than even most girls with silicone injections in their lips just bothers the hell out of me. Same with movies, really. When someone makes a crappy movie or TV series (like Mutant X, for example) the viewer will be inclined to criticize it for its hackneyed plots and poor quality acting. Oh well, sure, it's just a TV show. Why make a fuss, right? I don't think it's too big a fuss to comment on it, is it? It's not as if any of us are rallying outside of Obsidian to picket the ugliness of Mira's model, are we? No, I didn't think so. Sigh. Why must things like these be blown out of proportion? The solution's pretty simple: fix the model or she'll be ugly and people won't like it. Before anyone says "Hah, who cares what people like, just play the damn game." Hey, need I remind that person that we're the potential customers? Exitium RPG Codex - the premier avant garde gaming news site. "It is more convenient to follow one's conscience than one's intelligence, for at every failure, conscience finds an excuse and an encouragement in itself. That is why there are so many conscientious and so few intelligent people." - Nietzsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderAndrew Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I hope that facial model isn't final. Then again, one screenshot may not reflect what she'll look like from most angles, or while moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertHawk Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Nods to Ender. (btw. . .nice name. Ender's Game. . .Speaker for the dead. Good books.) It looks like she uses botox a lot. Nor is she easy on the eyes, but painful to look at. I hope they scale down the lips some, or at least make her head bigger and buff her up so she wouldn't be small bodied big headed. Fnord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Thats a pic that mirrors what I expect a 8 Charisma to look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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