The All Things Political Topic - In politics stupidity is not a handicap

[Bartimaeus]

[ShadySands]

 

Edited March 12 by ShadySands

[Malcador]

Credit to the AP reporter

 

[bugarup]

 

[Hurlshort]

12 hours ago, ShadySands said:

 

It is going to be weird to see all of the Trumpsters trade in their gas guzzling trucks with American flags waving in the back for these: 

[Malcador]

 

[Elerond]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

 

I wonder do these people even think little bit what they are saying?

How measles has not disappeared from world when everybody is immune to it because they have had it or they got protection from their mother's milk? 

He forgets to say that measles infection weakens immunity response against other infections, making especially children more vulnerable against other infections and making those more morbid. 

[Bartimaeus]

The measles vaccine is not, to my knowledge, 100% effective: some people's immune systems are really bad at keeping the antibody around. However, even if you are one of the ~3% or so of people that it's not effective for, it will not kill, maim, or otherwise injure you unlike actual measles, and if everyone has the vaccine, then you'll receive the benefit of herd immunity. But when enough idiots decide the measles vaccine is not for them and their kids, suddenly those 3% of people who can't keep the antibody can actually be quite at risk, even if they've been previously vaccinated.

[majestic]

1 hour ago, Bartimaeus said:

The measles vaccine is not, to my knowledge, 100% effective: some people's immune systems are really bad at keeping the antibody around. However, even if you are one of the ~3% or so of people that it's not effective for, it will not kill, maim, or otherwise injure you unlike actual measles, and if everyone has the vaccine, then you'll receive the benefit of herd immunity. But when enough idiots decide the measles vaccine is not for them and their kids, suddenly those 3% of people who can't keep the antibody can actually be quite at risk, even if they've been previously vaccinated.

Even for those 3%, the actual infection they get if they are exposed to measles post-vaccination is often a lot less problematic.

I was one of those kids where the vaccination did not take fully, and I got sick from my brother, who could not be vaccinated due to ongoing and chronic pulminary tract infections as a kid, and brought it home from kindergarten: some unvaccinated child with stable genius parents. He almost died from it too, while I just had the usual rash with a slight itch and super explosive diarrhea. Needs diapers at the age of six because getting to the toilet in time is impossible sort of explosive.

Fun fact, measles has a potential side effect in the form of Dawson disease, which is basically a time bomb planted by the measles infection that will go off in your brain, killing you without recourse. Fun disease, don't forget to bring your unvaccinated kids to a measles party.

The dumbest thing of it all is though that the distrust of the measles vaccination goes back to faked paper by Andrew Wakefield who wanted to discredit existing measles vaccinations to sell his own. The same sort of idiots who still cling to his disproven lies are the same ones that tell everyone that big pharma is just trying to make us sick for profit, popping sugar placebos with a 10000% price markup in the form of homeopathy.

If it weren't for the harm done to kids who are not to blame for their dumb parents, I'd be happy to see RFK stopping vaccinations entirely. The world's way too full of people anyway, and if some of the worst offenders of wasting resources want to off themselves in a terribly painful way, who am I to argue. Just go and die. Alas.

[Hurlshort]

I'm almost positive RFK Jr. is confusing Chicken Pox and Measles. People used to have Chicken Pox parties for kids. 

[Malcador]

Well, with luck not too many will die.

[Zoraptor]

2 hours ago, Hurlshort said:

I'm almost positive RFK Jr. is confusing Chicken Pox and Measles. People used to have Chicken Pox parties for kids. 

He's probably just an idiot. ie Chicken Pox/ varicella infection fairly famously doesn't give you lifetime immunity- hence Shingles. 

Would it be ironic if Mr Kennedy got a highly painful (but non fatal) condition due to not taking the vaccine that would prevent it? Yes, and not in the rain on my wedding day sense.

[Hurlshort]

3 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

He's probably just an idiot. ie Chicken Pox/ varicella infection fairly famously doesn't give you lifetime immunity- hence Shingles. 

Would it be ironic if Mr Kennedy got a highly painful (but non fatal) condition due to not taking the vaccine that would prevent it? Yes, and not in the rain on my wedding day sense.

Here is the rub, RFK Jr has had all his vaccinations. His kids are vaccinated. This crusade is solely aimed at the unwashed masses. He doesn't actually practice his gospel. But that is the standard of most politicians.

[Zoraptor]

I am not at all surprised to hear that, he does rather seem the type.

(I did wonder if he was old enough yet to get Shingles, which was a bit dumb given I knew who his father was)

[Malcador]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/13/dave-weldon-cdc-nomination-withdrawn

Probably bad optics to pick a vaccine skeptic at this time.

[rjshae]

20 hours ago, Malcador said:

Well, with luck not too many will die.

Yep, well that's one of my expectations for this administration: more people are going to die. Culling the herd, I suppose they'll call it.

[Malcador]

Hegseth's obsession with macho stuff is somewhat funny.  What the heck do beards have to do with lethality or effectiveness.  Well, other than purging Sikhs, I guess.

[Gfted1]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

What the heck do beards have to do with lethality or effectiveness.

They greatly reduce the effectiveness of wearing a gas mask / OBA (Oxygen Breathing Apparatus (used while fighting shipboard fires)). Hell, that rule was in effect when I was in the Navy all the way back in 89'.

[Malcador]

40 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

They greatly reduce the effectiveness of wearing a gas mask / OBA (Oxygen Breathing Apparatus (used while fighting shipboard fires)). Hell, that rule was in effect when I was in the Navy all the way back in 89'.

Yep, but if you're not in such an environment, might not matter. Found this out from an Army acquaintance, heh.  Apparently the 2015 date is suspicious to some, given Hegseth's opinions on women. 

Related to that https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-white-house-asked-us-military-develop-options-panama-canal-offic-rcna195994

Granted I am sure they plan for all manner of stuff but it's just a funny look.

 

 

[uuuhhii]

usa cut education ministry by half

time to start making those no future graffiti in cyberpunk

[ShadySands]

7 hours ago, Malcador said:

Hegseth's obsession with macho stuff is somewhat funny.  What the heck do beards have to do with lethality or effectiveness.  Well, other than purging Sikhs, I guess.

Other than special forces or those with religious or medical exceptions beards aren't allowed. My guess is that he doesn't mean special forces who have a relaxed grooming standard. That leaves religious and medical exceptions, so Sikhs and people with awful razor bumps (can happen to anyone but way more common in black people).

Edited March 13 by ShadySands

[Lexx]

4 hours ago, Malcador said:

Hegseth's obsession with macho stuff is somewhat funny.  What the heck do beards have to do with lethality or effectiveness.  Well, other than purging Sikhs, I guess.

Wasn't this a theme in the Generation Kill tv show?

[Malcador]

2 hours ago, Lexx said:

Wasn't this a theme in the Generation Kill tv show?

Yeah the pedophile Sergeant Major hit them with the grooming standard.

The Gitmo project for immigrants is over apparently, good use of money. Although I did come across this

 

Says a lot.

[rjshae]

Judges threatened with impeachment, bombs for ruling against Trump agenda

There's your sign.

[ShadySands]

On 3/13/2025 at 2:32 PM, ShadySands said:

Snip

A bit more on that

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/03/14/marines-can-now-be-kicked-out-skin-condition-affects-mostly-black-men.html?amp