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2 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

If  Trump had been killed he would have become a martyr and  the GOP possibly  gaining  more support from the " Deep State " crowd

I disagree. Imo, the head would have been cut from the snake and the whole movement would have died in its tracks. Generally speaking, I dont support death by lead poisoning but Im willing to make an exception in this case. Vance wouldnt even exist without Trump.

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9 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

If  Trump had been killed he would have become a martyr and  the GOP possibly  gaining  more support from the " Deep State " crowd 

And that wouldnt have changed the core issues that Americans voted on? And imagine Vance as president, thats worse than Trump IMO 

 

Trump is MAGA, doesn't exist without him, so if he's gone, enthusiasm would dip. 

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Biden should resign, let Kamala get the job for a while

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What doesn’t seem warranted any longer are the warnings, alerts, and cautions about what lies ahead. You’ve heard those from me for more than a year. The whole country heard similar warnings from multiple quarters. It was loud and clear. The campaign was fought directly over the issues of democracy, rule of law, basic decency and respect, and protection for the marginalized. Those principles and values lost and lost badly.

You might be taken aback by me finding silver linings in this result but I do think there are two of them. First, the dark path ahead was chosen clearly and unequivocally: With 51%, Trump is on track to win a majority of the popular vote. Second, Trump will win without undue reliance on the quirks of our 18th century anti-majoritarian constitutional structure.

There is clarity in that result. This is who we are. Not all of us, but a majority of us. It presents a stark picture of America in 2024, without sugarcoating or excuse. It makes it harder to fool yourself about the task at hand, which is an enormous cultural one more than a political one.

Donald Trump’s win isn’t the product of a constitutional quirk. It’s not the result of a poorly conceived or executed campaign by Kamala Harris. It’s not a messaging failure or a tactical error or a strategic blunder. Other broader dynamics at play – like a post-pandemic revulsion toward incumbents or an anti-inflation backlash – are too limited in their scope and specific in their focus to account for the choice that was made: Donald Trump. It would be a category error to ascribe our current predicament to a political failure.

If politics is merely a reflection of culture, then we get to see that reflection clearly and sharply as the sun comes up this morning. If you don’t like what you see, don’t blame the mirror.

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1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Think they'll remedy this by going to the right ?

I mean more than likely that's what they're going to try, I do not think it's going to work.

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What still surprises me is how so many people have an idea of Trump that does not track with reality in any way. Despite what he is being right there in everything he says and does openly and plainly.

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1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

I disagree. Imo, the head would have been cut from the snake and the whole movement would have died in its tracks. Generally speaking, I dont support death by lead poisoning but Im willing to make an exception in this case. Vance wouldnt even exist without Trump.

The guy is almost 80 and eats McDonalds regularly. Natural causes have a good chance of running their course over the next 4 years. We should probably watch that Vance movie on Netflix to figure out what his deal is.

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5 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

The guy is almost 80 and eats McDonalds regularly. Natural causes have a good chance of running their course over the next 4 years. We should probably watch that Vance movie on Netflix to figure out what his deal is.

 

funny now people have to hope expired orange live for 4 more year

vance would likely be worse than reagan and trump combined

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Malcador

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9 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

The guy is almost 80 and eats McDonalds regularly. Natural causes have a good chance of running their course over the next 4 years. We should probably watch that Vance movie on Netflix to figure out what his deal is.

The reaction to his death will be something, will have MAGAs crying in the street :lol:

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1 hour ago, Pidesco said:

What still surprises me is how so many people have an idea of Trump that does not track with reality in any way. Despite what he is being right there in everything he says and does openly and plainly.

I'm not surprised to be honest, sorry but yanks in general are pretty gorram dumb.

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5 minutes ago, Azdeus said:

I'm not surprised to be honest, sorry but yanks in general are pretty gorram dumb.

 

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23 minutes ago, Azdeus said:

I'm not surprised to be honest, sorry but yanks in general are pretty gorram dumb.

I'm not talking about Americans or even just Americans who voted for Trump, though. It's the same here in Europe. Or say, entirely randomly, in places like South Africa.

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Wonder when the Democrats are going to work out that trotting out the Liz Cheneys of the world isn't going to get them votes and may actually cost them some- and definitely will cost them enthusiasm among those who should be voting for them. Yeah, never, since the leadership prefers ludicrous neocons to their own supporters. Or that not being Trump isn't really an actual strategy. At least the last one isn't likely to be in play in 2028.

Still think Harris was a decent enough candidate hamstrung by bad party policy and strategy plus no one being willing to have the Difficult Conversation with Biden a year ago; though she's certainly done a lot worse than I expected. At least I'm not a professional pundit, a lot of them should be re examining their career choices, again.

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From TPM.

Another relevant TPM quote about Trump's Presidency

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This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them.

 

 

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Kissinger lived until 100. Wouldn't surprise me if Trump just doesn't die either.

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10 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

I wonder if maybe Biden stepped aside too early? Kamala had a big bump right when they switched, and it faded. But hey, armchair quarterbacking won't change the results.

I think Biden would just have lost by a larger margin. His polls were scraping bottom at 38.5% approval rating; they flipped back in 2021 (with the withdrawal from Afghanistan) and have never recovered. There was nobody else to step into his place other than Harris, and she and Biden controlled the campaign budget. If there had been more time, maybe Harris could have built more of a coalition. She gave it a good run, given the limited time available.

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One of the German papers has a single word as their headline. It starts with F and ends in K.

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5 minutes ago, Raithe said:

One of the German papers has a single word as their headline. It starts with F and ends in K.

Fabrik?

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