Azdeus Posted Wednesday at 11:14 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:14 PM 4 hours ago, Malcador said: Kinda sad, not to mention cringe, Trump killed more Americans than the last 110 years of wars and these knobs are celebrating him. Ick. 1 Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Also gorgon Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 3 hours ago, Hurlshort said: I wonder if maybe Biden stepped aside too early? Kamala had a big bump right when they switched, and it faded. But hey, armchair quarterbacking won't change the results. I think he stepped aside too late, he made a fool out of himself and she failed to distance herself enough from him. There wasn't really time. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azdeus Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 6 hours ago, Raithe said: One of the German papers has a single word as their headline. It starts with F and ends in K. 6 hours ago, rjshae said: Fabrik? Fettsack? 2 Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 6 hours ago, rjshae said: I think Biden would just have lost by a larger margin. His polls were scraping bottom at 38.5% approval rating; they flipped back in 2021 (with the withdrawal from Afghanistan) and have never recovered. There was nobody else to step into his place other than Harris, and she and Biden controlled the campaign budget. If there had been more time, maybe Harris could have built more of a coalition. She gave it a good run, given the limited time available. Biden would have been a much worse candidate, he was not mentally capable of ever being the US president for another 4 years Trump won for the obvious reasons, the real and perceived failures on issues that most Americans attribute to the Dems because its the incumbent party Thats just the way the politics and elections work in any Democracy where you have free and fair elections and sometimes the incumbent party gets blamed unfairly and sometimes its legitimate In this election the inflation issue was not primarily the Dems fault because the whole world went through inflation after the virus lockdowns ended and this takes time to stabilize But the illegal migration and border failures falls on the Dems and thats unavoidable even if solution is not easy to fix, I am interested to see what Trump will do and how much impact it will make And then one thing that is clear is that the Dems fearmongering strategy against Trump is ineffective and unconvincing. Most Americans just dont believe the whole " how can anyone vote for Trump, he will destroy America " Because the counter argument to that is " things seemed better under Trump, Im not convinced he will destroy the US " "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted 15 hours ago Author Share Posted 15 hours ago How does the saying go? You have the government you deserve? 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago I gave up expecting much re: the "general population" intelligence ratio a long time ago. Especially in terms of actual lasting effects. Individuals can/do some remarkable things, but en masse we tend to be irrational idiots. LC, spreading her positivity everywhere! 1 “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 15 hours ago, Raithe said: One of the German papers has a single word as their headline. It starts with F and ends in K. Probably means Fritz Katzmann: Fritz Katzmann - Wikipedia Friggin nazis are everywhere! 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uuuhhii Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, LadyCrimson said: I gave up expecting much re: the "general population" intelligence ratio a long time ago. Especially in terms of actual lasting effects. Individuals can/do some remarkable things, but en masse we tend to be irrational idiots. LC, spreading her positivity everywhere! the self destruct instinct are both personal and communal a single person often have enough shame to hide their worst a group of idiot will loudly and proudly show their worst for their fellow to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 10 hours ago, BruceVC said: In this election the inflation issue was not primarily the Dems fault because the whole world went through inflation after the virus lockdowns ended and this takes time to stabilize But the illegal migration and border failures falls on the Dems and thats unavoidable even if solution is not easy to fix, I am interested to see what Trump will do and how much impact it will make And then one thing that is clear is that the Dems fearmongering strategy against Trump is ineffective and unconvincing. Most Americans just dont believe the whole " how can anyone vote for Trump, he will destroy America". I'm not convinced the fear-mongering strategy failed; it just wasn't enough. Lower income people got clobbered in the pocketbook by inflation, and no amount of good economic news was going to counter that. The Fed took a year before changing the rate to counter inflation, and as consequence it nearly got out of hand. I think that's why DJT is President. Yes, the entire world went through inflation, but Americans tend to be insular and think locally. Back before the 2020 election I thought some of DJTs policies were inflationary (E.g. massive aid package; tariffs), yet somehow he's escaped blame. That's partly because of poor messaging by the Biden administration, something they've shown over and over they're not good at. The Democrats painted themselves into a corner on the border issue, and they have nobody but themselves to blame. My concern now is with DJT planning to use the military against targets in the US. That's the path to becoming a banana republic. 1 1 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 29 minutes ago, rjshae said: The Democrats painted themselves into a corner on the border issue, and they have nobody but themselves to blame. My concern now is with DJT planning to use the military against targets in the US. That's the path to becoming a banana republic. I feel like people are forgetting or not caring that Trump killed all efforts to fix this because he wanted to run on it And as far as the low turnout, I wonder how much of it had to do with efforts to limit voting. I don't just mean purging voter rolls but also limiting voting places and ballot boxes. I'm not sure that I'd stand in line for 6 hours to vote. 3 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, rjshae said: I'm not convinced the fear-mongering strategy failed; it just wasn't enough. Lower income people got clobbered in the pocketbook by inflation, and no amount of good economic news was going to counter that. The Fed took a year before changing the rate to counter inflation, and as consequence it nearly got out of hand. I think that's why DJT is President. Yes, the entire world went through inflation, but Americans tend to be insular and think locally. Back before the 2020 election I thought some of DJTs policies were inflationary (E.g. massive aid package; tariffs), yet somehow he's escaped blame. That's partly because of poor messaging by the Biden administration, something they've shown over and over they're not good at. The Democrats painted themselves into a corner on the border issue, and they have nobody but themselves to blame. My concern now is with DJT planning to use the military against targets in the US. That's the path to becoming a banana republic. You make some good points here Can I make an suggestion, you must try to not take what Trump says literally on certain points. Its the path to real and unnecessary anxiety Yes he will deport people illegally in the country and he will strengthen the border but mass deportations is not uncommon. South Africa is doing the exact same thing with people in the country illegally https://witness.co.za/news/2024/10/23/r52-million-spent-deporting-nearly-20-000-illegal-foreigners/ It is a strategy to address illegal migrants, I just dont know how effective it is in our case because we have porous borders and very inefficient border control so anyone deported back to Zimbabwe or Mozambique will literally be back in the country 2 days later We have a much worse problem relative to the USA around illegal migration because the ANC only started doing something about it and acknowledging it 2-3 years ago. And they only started then because of the pushback and resource shortages from black people in townships and illegal migration just exacerbates our limited public sector resources But I have listened to several interviews from Trump spokespeople and they said the military would only be used to deal with border issues and mass deportations and not citizens or anyone in the country legally The point Im making is Trump said a lot of things before the election but like last time what is he really going to implement and what will be the focus? And Im sure the border and migration will gets lots of attention "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago I guess he watched Clear and Present Danger. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-donald-j-trump-declares-war-on-cartels But as it's just on his website, don't take it seriously. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Anyone else get this feeling of "oh, don't worry, he just wants to play" right before a dog bites someone's arm off whenever Bruce tells us to not worry about what Trump says? He just wants to play in the White House, after all. That reminds me of a joke. What's got four legs and an arm? Spoiler A Rottweiler at a playground. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, rjshae said: Yes, the entire world went through inflation, but Americans tend to be insular and think locally. That definitely wasn't just a US thing. At very least our government got blamed for inflation/ cost of living, the British and the French ones too and all lost elections in large part due to it. Pretty difficult to win elections when most people have had their disposable income cut by half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, majestic said: Anyone else get this feeling of "oh, don't worry, he just wants to play" right before a dog bites someone's arm off whenever Bruce tells us to not worry about what Trump says? He just wants to play in the White House, after all. That reminds me of a joke. What's got four legs and an arm? Reveal hidden contents A Rottweiler at a playground. Yes and no. I think Trump's only real belief is that Trump should be in charge (even if only nominally) and should be the center of attention. He's clearly in this to get to do the pomp and circus of politics and not because he actually cares about the border or teh gheystrans or anything else. There is nothing this man would not flip on and he is more than happy to say that everything is incredible, beautiful, never been anything like it, best in the world without actually doing anything. The problem is that Trump isn't alone, he's going to get the worst people to run things for him while he plays. Those folks are either going to not be able to actually do anything out of incompetence (see how Obamacare survived a Trump trifecta) or are going to do some seriously evil **** (like mass deportations or banning unions), likely a combination of both. It's definitely going to be a bad time for everyone who isn't a rich **** and it's certainly true that the Project 2025 people or Libertarian-Fascists (like Peter Theil) are very much not kidding when they tell you what they want. I also think that when certain people downplay stuff like Project 2025 but are also absolutely convinced that BLM/Antifa supersoliders are spreading DEI to cuck the white manspread division should just be considered to broadly agree with stuff like Project 2025/Agenda 47 or understand that it isn't going to really effect them. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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