The All Things Political Topic

[Malcador]

18 hours ago, ShadySands said:

I dunno why they're always up in arms over non-issues. Orange for the orange god, outrage for the outrage machine.

Is a tiresome way to live.

[ShadySands]

I have a Trumper coworker that has an odd fixation with trans people as well. Always asking really weird questions* like trans people run... well, literally anything or have any kind of power whatsoever. I'm like I've only ever truly known one trans person well and that story was such a tragedy because they ended up overdosing on purpose. I have a hard time caring about some hypothetical situation where Billy wants to become a girl just to steal Sally's trophy or whatever.

*they think trans people are somehow impacting my young kid's schooling or the education system just by acknowledging they exist.

[Zoraptor]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Do you think elevated testosterone can give certain performance advantages but then should every Trans athlete be checked or is this unfair? I wonder does having intersex traits always mean elevated testosterone or it does it depend on the intersex trait?

Testosterone 100% gives a benefit, for most sports. It's a scientific fact and the reason why there are limits. There's a lot more moral grey area for it than for synthetics though, since it is a natural product and like most natural products is produced naturally at a range of levels rather than one consistent one per sex. So nobody with any sense thinks Imane Khalif or Caster Semenya are 'cheats' for having high testosterone levels, since it's clearly natural for them and whatever the tests say they've clearly always identified as being female.

The issue is pretty much exactly as I said before: when you try to apply scientific principles to humans you run into the 'problem' that humans aren't lab mice but are people, and that scientific tests tend to run to true/ false results. If you determine the natural testosterone levels for lab mice sexes and make your standard cut off at 3sd nobody cares about the 5% that are 'abnormal'.

You have to do scientific tests to work out if people are cheating- too much EPO, too much testosterone, stimulants etc- which pretty much everyone agree has to be done, and they have semi arbitrary levels below which you're fine, and above which you're not. Science by definition runs on facts not feelings so if you have to define a woman and a man for sporting events scientifically and testably then some people are going to be very very upset- and justifiably so in the vast majority of cases- at being told they're the wrong sex or have to take medication to compete, because of some arbitrary result. You do have to have that arbitrary test though, so long as you want to have men and women competing separately.

[rjshae]

9 hours ago, ShadySands said:

I have a Trumper coworker that has an odd fixation with trans people as well. Always asking really weird questions* like trans people run... well, literally anything or have any kind of power whatsoever. I'm like I've only ever truly known one trans person well and that story was such a tragedy because they ended up overdosing on purpose. I have a hard time caring about some hypothetical situation where Billy wants to become a girl just to steal Sally's trophy or whatever.

*they think trans people are somehow impacting my young kid's schooling or the education system just by acknowledging they exist.

I think trans people are an easy target for the exclusivity party to target. It's not like trans people weild a significant economic or voter clout, so they're not much of a threat for a backlash. Yes it's strange to politically obsess so much over what's effectively a tiny minority with little influence. It may be an indirect rallying cry; like the opposite of virtue signalling.

[rjshae]

9 hours ago, ShadySands said:

I have a Trumper coworker that has an odd fixation with trans people as well. Always asking really weird questions* like trans people run... well, literally anything or have any kind of power whatsoever. I'm like I've only ever truly known one trans person well and that story was such a tragedy because they ended up overdosing on purpose. I have a hard time caring about some hypothetical situation where Billy wants to become a girl just to steal Sally's trophy or whatever.

*they think trans people are somehow impacting my young kid's schooling or the education system just by acknowledging they exist.

I think trans people are an easy target for the exclusivity party to target. It's not like trans people weild a significant economic or voter clout, so they're not much of a threat for a backlash. Yes it's strange to politically obsess so much over what's effectively a tiny minority with little influence. It may be an indirect rallying cry; like the opposite of virtue signalling.

[uuuhhii]

42 minutes ago, rjshae said:

I think trans people are an easy target for the exclusivity party to target. It's not like trans people weild a significant economic or voter clout, so they're not much of a threat for a backlash. Yes it's strange to politically obsess so much over what's effectively a tiny minority with little influence. It may be an indirect rallying cry; like the opposite of virtue signalling.

 

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