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[Lexx]

Where are those smart people who can explain to me how Donald Trump is actually not a threat and everything will be just fine if he gets elected.

[Azdeus]

Jikes

[HoonDing]

So I said, ‘Let me ask you a question, and [the guy who makes boats in South Carolina] said, ‘Nobody ever asked this question,’ and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT —very smart. He goes, I say, ‘What would happen if the boat sank from its weight? And you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery is now underwater and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there?’ By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, do you notice that, a lot of sharks? I watched some guys justifying it today. ‘Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were, they were not hungry, but they misunderstood what who she was.’ These people are crazy. He said there’s no problem with sharks. ‘They just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming now.’ It really got decimated and other people do a lot of shark attacks. So I said, so there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat, 10 yards or here, do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking? Water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted, or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted? Because I will tell you, he didn’t know the answer. He said, ‘You know, nobody’s ever asked me that question.” I said, ‘I think it’s a good question.’ I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water. But you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark. So we’re going to end that.

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, Lexx said:

Where are those smart people who can explain to me how Donald Trump is actually not a threat and everything will be just fine if he gets elected.

What do you think Trump is going to do if he wins in November, what concerns you the most?

Im concerned more with his foreign policy decisions like NATO membership and aid for Ukraine 

I cant see Israel aid changing and we will probably see more escalating tension towards China and Iran?

 

 

[Lexx]

1 minute ago, BruceVC said:

What do you think Trump is going to do if he wins in November, what concerns you the most?

Have you heard about literally anything he says?

Additionally, there is that funny Project 2025 making its rounds right now.

Edited July 5 by Lexx

[Zoraptor]

Unsurprisingly the Tories have lost the election in Britain. Moderate lols at both Farage and Corbyn winning, and Truss losing. Big lols at Keir Starmer being described as 'left wing' when he's the dictionary definition of milquetoast moderate.

Guess at least Rishi Sunak can console himself with the thought that he's still richer than his head of state.

Edited July 5 by Zoraptor

[BruceVC]

7 minutes ago, Lexx said:

Have you heard about literally anything he says?

Additionally, there is that funny Project 2025 making its rounds right now.

Yes I have heard lots of things Trump says, that doesnt mean he is going to do these things which is why I asked you what concerns you the most?

 

And I had never heard of Project 2025 but I looked it up now 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

Some outrageous suggestions including  " Under the proposals, pornography would be banned, and tech and telecoms companies that facilitate access to such content would be shut down "

How dare they consider banning porn 

 

[BruceVC]

1 minute ago, Zoraptor said:

Unsurprisingly the Tories have lost the election in Britain. Moderate lols at both Farage and Corbyn winning, and Truss losing. Big lols at Keir Starmer being described as 'left wing' when he's the dictionary definition of milquetoast moderate.

Guess at least Rishi Sunak can console himself with the thought that he's still richer than his head of state.

Yes, it was a predicted loss for the Conservatives 

It will be interesting to see what fundamental, if any, changes  Labour makes 

But Democracy is the winner, if you not happy with leadership you can use the ballet box to make your unhappiness realized 

 

 

[HoonDing]

Clacton fits Farage to a F

[Elerond]

8 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Yes, it was a predicted loss for the Conservatives 

It will be interesting to see what fundamental, if any, changes  Labour makes 

But Democracy is the winner, if you not happy with leadership you can use the ballet box to make your unhappiness realized 

 

 

I am not sure if democracy is winner when party that gets 1/3 of votes gets 2/3 of the seats

[melkathi]

If anything, it demonstrates another extremely flawed system.

 

Happy Corbyn did well. Not surprised but still disappointed Galloway didn't. Congratulations to Ayoub Khan who won in my old neighbourhood.

[uuuhhii]

uk didn't really learn anything from last 50 years

they are still voting tory and newer worse tory in great number

[Zoraptor]

Don't know if proportional representation would work that well in the UK, certainly not MMP type. It'd probably just result in the libdems getting eviscerated for (not) going into coalition with the wrong people like always happens to the centre party here. They've barely recovered from Clegg's decision and there would be even more pressure to choose under MMP. And it's unfortunately unlikely politicians would ever go for something actually decent like multi member STV since it weakens parties, unlike MMP.

In most other circumstances 34% would be a dismal result for Labour and they must still be concerned about the number of people in their traditional heartland who have not come back. It's likely the tories can get a lot of the reform vote back but it may be permanently lost to a Labour party that isn't even chardonnay socialist any more.

[Pidesco]

15 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Yes I have heard lots of things Trump says, that doesnt mean he is going to do these things which is why I asked you what concerns you the most?

 

And I had never heard of Project 2025 but I looked it up now 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

Some outrageous suggestions including  " Under the proposals, pornography would be banned, and tech and telecoms companies that facilitate access to such content would be shut down "

How dare they consider banning porn 

 

[Malcador]

Civil War was an interesting movie.

[Bartimaeus]

Um, I don't think this whole Biden re-election thing is working out. It really kind of sounds like he's lost his marbles. Now, Biden without his marbles is still approximately...let me check here, oh yes, infinitely better than Trump, but I'm not certain that's going to get the guy re-elected. Actually, I'm pretty sure that the more he talks in public, the less likely he will be.

Edited July 6 by Bartimaeus

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

It's funny that Trump will probably win because the dems couldn't convince Biden to go home and their uncritical support for Israel's slaughter of Gaza alienates key blocs they need to win. They have been screaming that this is the most important election in the history of elections but can't make a single tactical move to try to help their electoral chances, let alone attempt to curtail Trump and Leonard Leo's goons in any other way. Honestly it's just pathetic to watch a party this bad at real politics being the only electoral bulwark against the most abominable political ghouls still breathing.

I dunno, maybe an economic crash happens with Trump/Project 2025 and Marx or Bakunin gets proved right. There's probably more of a chance of thay happening than the dems getting their **** together.

[BruceVC]

17 hours ago, Pidesco said:

Yes but again, the Heritage Foundation does  not  define what Trump can and will implement. Project 2025  is  there    blueprint  and most  of these ideas are  far  too extreme for Trump to want to implement

Its different if Trump said  " my presidency is going to be about Project 2025  '' then we should be very concerned. But at the moment there is no need  for  fearmongering 

Edited July 6 by BruceVC

[Elerond]

5 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Yes but again, the Heritage Foundation does  not  define what Trump can and will implement. Project 2025  is  there    blueprint  and most  of these ideas are  far  too extreme for Trump to want to implement

Its different if Trump said  " my presidency is going to be about Project 2025  '' then we should be very concerned. But at the moment there is no need  for  fearmongering 

If we look Trump's first term, we can say there isn't ideas that are too extreme for the Trump. Question is more about how much support he gets in congress to push the ideas. Trump himself is principleless vane that goes where wind (his base's opinion) at that moment blows. 

Edited July 6 by Elerond

[Pidesco]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Yes but again, the Heritage Foundation does  not  define what Trump can and will implement. Project 2025  is  there    blueprint  and most  of these ideas are  far  too extreme for Trump to want to implement

Its different if Trump said  " my presidency is going to be about Project 2025  '' then we should be very concerned. But at the moment there is no need  for  fearmongering 

Even just 1 or 2 points on that list would be a catastrophe for the US.

 

In any case, Trump is easily manipulated. If the right people have access to him, a lot can be made to happen.

[Lexx]

39 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

In any case, Trump is easily manipulated.

Just pay him money and it's a done deal. This guy is not for the US, but for Trump and Trump only. Let's be real, he would sell out everyone around him in a heartbeat as long as he gets something out of it.

[Gorth]

8 hours ago, Lexx said:

Just pay him money and it's a done deal. This guy is not for the US, but for Trump and Trump only. Let's be real, he would sell out everyone around him in a heartbeat as long as he gets something out of it.

Not even money... he loves adoration. Stroke his ego and any decision, no matter how inane, is yours. Notice how his role models are people like Kim, Putin, Modi and previously Bolsonaro etc.? He completely buys into the lie, that those autocrats are loved by their subjects. It's why he wants to be one too...

[melkathi]

And yet, his voters do love him.

And if he were to totally copy Kim, there'd be a lot less US meddling in the rest of the world. He'd be far more suitable for a Noble Peace Prize than Obama ever was.

[HoonDing]

Drump would pretty much confine the warmongering to the American continent. Like with that Venezuela coup and Mexico invasion nonsense.

[BruceVC]

Interesting French election outcome, the general global media got these predictions wrong where they made assumptions that RN would win the second round

The bogey man of the " French far right " ruling France  is subdued again 

Here is a good interview with Le Pen where she explains somethings to Christiane Amanpour about the RN and what they stand for and how they not the same as US " far right " 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 8 by BruceVC