Gaza - War does not determine who is right - only who is left

[Zoraptor]

The general problem is that if you try to satirise something you hate, you almost always just end up ridiculing it instead. Which may appeal to people who agree with you, but to others just looks nasty.

(The thing about someone like Cohen- not really my cup of tea, but still- is that he'll give bad people rope to hang themselves with satire wise, but in the end the vast majority of the time they make themselves look bad- and you get the occasional person who comes out of it looking like an absolute legend. It's also the difference between something like Airplane! where the writers clearly loved disaster movies for all their faults and the majority of movie 'satires' whose purpose just seems to be to hate on everything they're satirising)

Edited April 25 by Zoraptor

[BruceVC]

This has got to be the most honest, cringe and hilarious reason for why many people are protesting at the various US universities. Openly admitting they dont really know what they protesting for  around  " what the University is doing wrong "  

I remember a time when people use to protest and express outrage because they believed and understood the cause, it mattered and it was about the principle and belief. Times have REALLY changed 

 

[BruceVC]

7 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

The general problem is that if you try to satirise something you hate, you almost always just end up ridiculing it instead. Which may appeal to people who agree with you, but to others just looks nasty.

(The thing about someone like Cohen- not really my cup of tea, but still- is that he'll give bad people rope to hang themselves with satire wise, but in the end the vast majority of the time they make themselves look bad- and you get the occasional person who comes out of it looking like an absolute legend. It's also the difference between something like Airplane! where the writers clearly loved disaster movies for all their faults and the majority of movie 'satires' whose purpose just seems to be to hate on everything they're satirising)

But you dont have to hate  something or someone to satire it, thats not the right word or its too strong

Most satire is about the  ostensible absurdity or inconsistency of what people say or do. Its not about hate. But it is about ridiculing or mocking but thats the foundation of most comedy

Think of almost every joke you know, they always about some kind of ridiculing? Thats what makes them funny 

 

[Malcador]

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

This has got to be the most honest, cringe and hilarious reason for why many people are protesting at the various US universities. Openly admitting they dont really know what they protesting for  around  " what the University is doing wrong "  

I remember a time when people use to protest and express outrage because they believed and understood the cause, it mattered and it was about the principle and belief. Times have REALLY changed 

 

How do you know this is representative of the people protesting, exactly?

In things that actually matter, the IDF going to invade Rafah soon ? Feel sorry for all the civilians Hamas will kill after weaponizing the IDF

 

[uuuhhii]

that time never existed 

people write snarky report and story about protester are paid to be there doesn't understand what they are doing and silly to even try to protest anything century ago

[Gorgon]

I thought this was a good recap if anyone  feels as if they were jumping in on season 23 of the walking dead

 

 

 

[BruceVC]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/saudi-arabia-steps-up-gaza-arrests-as-israel-ties-edge-closer

 

Interesting development, Saudi Arabia is  making some positive steps   towards supporting Israel. Its sooner than I thought  considering the ongoing war  in  Gaza  but geopolitical  events  in the ME tend to move quickly 

Im not sure if its Abrahamic Accord revitalization but it may be more about "  Saudi Arabia and regional allies like Egypt and Jordan have been alarmed by the trend, fearing that Iran and Islamist groups could exploit the conflict to incite a wave of uprisings, said some of the people, who asked not to be identified due the delicate nature of the matter. Memories of the Arab Spring more than a decade ago remain fresh among regional rulers, who are desperate to avoid a repeat"

[Gorth]

Continued from previous thread....

 

[HoonDing]

[Malcador]

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/us-israel-hamas-hostage-ceasefire-talks

Sneaky Americans.

[BruceVC]

Another hilarious Babylon Bee take 

 

[BruceVC]

ICC is going to be applying for warrants for the top 3 Hamas leaders and Netanyahu and the Israeli defence minister

Interesting developments 

[Malcador]

Lindsey Graham's reaction should be good to see.

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Lindsey Graham's reaction should be good to see.

Malc you know what this means? Canada is a signatory to the Rome Statute which means if you see  the 3 x Hamas leaders  walking down a street then you can make a citizens arrest ...you would be  famous 

The reality is these warrants will be the same as the Putin warrant, the 5 people will just avoid going to any country that is part of the ICC

Its a significant ICC  decision but I cant see anyone being arrested and ending up at The Hague 

[Malcador]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Malc you know what this means? Canada is a signatory to the Rome Statute which means if you see  the 3 x Hamas leaders  walking down a street then you can make a citizens arrest ...you would be  famous 

The reality is these warrants will be the same as the Putin warrant, the 5 people will just avoid going to any country that is part of the ICC

Its a significant ICC  decision but I cant see anyone being arrested and ending up at The Hague 

Given the US will not stand for this, I would wage they could visit any signatory and nothing'll be done.  Especially in a state as servile to the US as Canada is.

Well he's not calling for airstrikes yet. 

 

[HoonDing]

That's why you don't give a boy a girl's name.

[Gorgon]

I suppose they will be tried in absentia. It will be interesting to see if that does anything to change perception.

 

[Zoraptor]

Article 63 of the Rome Statute states that "the accused shall be present during the trial". So they cannot do anything in absentia. Indeed, that article is titled 'Trial in the Presence of the Accused', so it's not really something that can be got around.

This was pretty much the absolute minimum the ICC could do to keep any shred of credibility; and it is only applying for arrest warrants. A step they, of course, skipped when it came to Putin. Still utterly ridiculous that Israel can outright kill more than 10k children yet Putin 'kidnapping' 'a few hundred' is considered genocide by Karim Khan and sufficiently worse than killing those 10,000+ to justify skipping the application step.

Someone might want to update Lindsey Graham on what all the protests in Israel were about up until October 7. Hint: they were about Netanyahu, well, removing the independence of the judiciary.

 

[BruceVC]

8 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

Article 63 of the Rome Statute states that "the accused shall be present during the trial". So they cannot do anything in absentia. Indeed, that article is titled 'Trial in the Presence of the Accused', so it's not really something that can be got around.

This was pretty much the absolute minimum the ICC could do to keep any shred of credibility; and it is only applying for arrest warrants. A step they, of course, skipped when it came to Putin. Still utterly ridiculous that Israel can outright kill more than 10k children yet Putin 'kidnapping' 'a few hundred' is considered genocide by Karim Khan and sufficiently worse than killing those 10,000+ to justify skipping the application step.

Someone might want to update Lindsey Graham on what all the protests in Israel were about up until October 7. Hint: they were about Netanyahu, well, removing the independence of the judiciary.

 

Im also surprised they took so long to issue\apply for  warrants for Hamas leadership, you would have assumed they would have applied for  the warrants much quicker  considering the immediate crimes that were committed on 7 October  that are indisputable apart from the deliberate mass murder of Israeli citizens. The taking of hostages is a war crime so why the delay from the ICC?

Anyway better late than never, I wonder if Hamas or the Palestinians are going to enforce the warrant  on the 3 x Hamas leaders  because Gaza falls under ICC jurisdiction?

 

[BruceVC]

13 hours ago, Malcador said:

Given the US will not stand for this, I would wage they could visit any signatory and nothing'll be done.  Especially in a state as servile to the US as Canada is.

Well he's not calling for airstrikes yet. 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/hamas-denounces-icc-prosecutor-accusing-equate-victim-executioner-110397990#:~:text=Interest Successfully Added-,Hamas denounces ICC prosecutor%2C accusing him of trying to 'equate,the victim with the executioner'&text=Catch up on the developing,the victim with the executioner.'

Talking about US and Israeli outrage about the ICC warrants, Hamas is outraged because " Hamas denounces ICC prosecutor, accusing him of trying to 'equate the victim with the executioner." 

Can you imagine making a serious argument where a terrorist organisation goes on a mass killing spree and " they the victims " in respects to the ICC applying for a warrant

Only in the  modern world we live in which is ubiquitous with selective and inconsistent  outrage 

 

[BruceVC]

13 hours ago, Malcador said:

Given the US will not stand for this, I would wage they could visit any signatory and nothing'll be done.  Especially in a state as servile to the US as Canada is.

Well he's not calling for airstrikes yet. 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/hamas-denounces-icc-prosecutor-accusing-equate-victim-executioner-110397990#:~:text=Interest Successfully Added-,Hamas denounces ICC prosecutor%2C accusing him of trying to 'equate,the victim with the executioner'&text=Catch up on the developing,the victim with the executioner.'

Talking about US and Israeli outrage about the ICC warrants, Hamas is outraged because " Hamas denounces ICC prosecutor, accusing him of trying to 'equate the victim with the executioner." 

Can you imagine making a serious argument where a terrorist organisation goes on a mass killing spree and " they the victims " in respects to the ICC applying for a warrant

Only in the  modern world we live in which is ubiquitous with selective and inconsistent  outrage 

 

[Gfted1]

I dont think Hamas is playing the victim over their losses, I think they are referring to the mountain of dead Palestinian civilians.

[BruceVC]

53 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

I dont think Hamas is playing the victim over their losses, I think they are referring to the mountain of dead Palestinian civilians.

https://www.anews.com.tr/middle-east/2024/05/21/hamas-calls-out-icc-for-equating-executioner-with-victim

No its  not about their losses, they outraged because the ICC issued them with warrants

" Hamas has criticized the International Criminal Court (ICC) for "equating the executioner with the victim" after it sought arrest warrants for leaders of the Palestinian resistance group.

In a statement on Telegram on Monday, Hamas requested the ICC to issue arrest warrants for all Israeli war criminals and cancel those against the Palestinian group " 

[Gorgon]

6 hours ago, BruceVC said:

C issued them with warrants

" Hamas has criticized the International Criminal Court (ICC) for "equating the executioner with the victim" after it sought arrest warrants for leaders of the Palestinian resistance group.

In a statement on Telegram on Monday, Hamas requested the ICC to

Sounds suspiciously like the Israeli response. 

[BruceVC]

32 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

Sounds suspiciously like the Israeli response. 

Absolutely, both sides  are  very butthurt  about getting issued  with expected ICC warrants

Its not  like anyone's going to get arrested because they  will avoid going to ICC  countries  but its  symbolic  and none of the 5 people can travel  to many countries that include the EU