The All Things Political Topic - Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

8 hours ago, Gorth said:

Why wipe out England? They do a great job themselves.

That was the joke. The Tories bumbling incompetence destroying the UK is perhaps the funniest political thing to happen. Imagine being a colonial dinosaur whose empire crumbled and losing the last bits because you got so triggered over the bad yuropeans doing construction work or the lgbts.

As to the larger discussion of left-wing extremism.....in our current world they simply do not compare to the right-wing in terms of violence or institutional power. I mean the police weren't defended (closest I could find was a -1% budget change, for the most parts police budgets have increased since 2020), the borders aren't being "opened" or even less regulated, and the notions that former colonies are forever tainted by racism or Capeetialism bad is rejected by basically every ruling political party. Comparatively you have the right wing in power wielding the power of the state to crush their enemies and enact deeply authoritarian systems of social control in the name of fighting "wokeness", something they can't even define.

Anyone who thinks the right and left are on the same level has a microwaved potato instead of a brain.

[Lexx]

I saved this meme a while ago, because I liked it so much.

[Sarex]

Who decides if one is right wing or left wing extremist?

[Malcador]

12 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Who decides if one is right wing or left wing extremist?

If they use an AR or an AK

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

22 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Who decides if one is right wing or left wing extremist?

I do.

[Gromnir]

@Sarexmeme says, "anti defamation league." however, can't blame on adl 'cause is likely the me author who borked.

"Since September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year.” The report noted: “[F]atalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).” 

where meme got wrong is the number of deaths as 'posed to number of incidents. however, fbi, dhs and doj is all kinda on the same page regarding definitions and the meme is based on a 2017 government accountability office report. 

read appendix II starting page 28 if you are genuine curious. we will underline below to show where adl got wrong. 

Summary of ECDB
Incident Description Date City State
Number
of Victim
Deaths
White Supremacist member of Aryan
Brotherhood killed a man
9/15/2001 Mesquite Texas 1
Same white supremacist as previous case but
another victim a few weeks later
10/4/2001 Mesquite Texas 1
White supremacist murdered an African American 3/21/2002 Portland Oregon 1
White supremacist skinhead murdered a
transgender person
4/10/2002 El Paso Texas 1
Far right violent extremists murdered 3 fast food
workers (one Native American and two Hispanic)
5/19/2002 Mesa Arizona 3
Neo-Nazi murdered a gay man 6/12/2002 Tucson Arizona 1 
Anti-government “Sovereign Citizen” murdered an
Ohio police officer
8/2/2002 Massillon Ohio 1
Two white supremacist skinheads murdered a
man
8/30/2002 Las Vegas Nevada 1
White supremacist skinhead beat a man to death
outside a diner
9/1/2002 St. Louis Missouri 1
White supremacist murdered bisexual man 12/14/2002 Salinas California 1
White supremacist gang murdered a homeless
man as part of a gang initiation
3/23/2003 Tacoma Washington 1
Anti-government militiaman shot and killed a
Michigan state trooper
7/7/2003 Fremont Michigan 1
White supremacist shot and killed 6 co-workers at
Lockheed Martin Plant
7/8/2003 Meridian Mississippi 6
Neo-Nazi killed sex-offender priest 8/23/2003 Shirley Massachusetts 1
Anti-government “constitutionalist” killed 2 in
standoff over land
12/8/2003 Abbeville South Carolina 2
White supremacist killed a man while “hunting
down Mexicans”
1/9/2004 Dateland Arizona 1
White supremacists murdered two homeless men 4/15/2005 Hingham Massachusetts 2
Six white supremacist inmates beat another
prisoner to death
10/14/2005 Kingman Arizona 1
White supremacist skinhead murdered an African
American woman
12/16/2005 Mays Landing New Jersey 1
Neo-Nazi murdered a gay man 3/23/2006 New Port Richey Florida 1
White supremacist inmate killed his African
American cellmate
11/13/2006 Chipley Florida 1
White supremacist murders Hispanic man in
convenience store after argument
7/2/2007 Lubbock Texas 1
White supremacist murdered Lubbock, TX police
officer
8/15/2007 Brandon Florida 1
Two white supremacists murdered a homeless
man
9/3/2007 Reno Nevada 1
Two white supremacists murdered a gay man as
gang initiation rite
10/26/2007 Goldsby Oklahoma 1
Skinhead gang murdered an Hispanic man 12/4/2007 Yucaipa California 1
Middle school skinhead student shot and killed
gay peer
2/12/2008 Oxnard California 1
White supremacist teens beat a Hispanic man to
death
7/12/2008 Shenandoah Pennsylvania 1
Anti-government violent extremist killed 2 at
Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church
7/27/2008 Knoxville Tennessee 2 
White man obsessed with Nazism murdered an
African American man and a Hispanic man
8/1/2008 Bristol Pennsylvania 2
White supremacist teens murdered an
Ecuadorian immigrant
11/8/2008 Patchogue New York 1
Two anti-government violent extremists planted a
bomb inside a bank, killing 2
12/12/2008 Woodburn Oregon 2
Far rightist murdered a homeless man 1/19/2009 Woodstock Illinois 1
White supremacist killed 2 immigrants 1/21/2009 Brockton Massachusetts 1
Same perpetrator as previous case in Brockton,
MA killed a homeless man later the same day
1/21/2009 Brockton Massachusetts 1
Neo-Nazi murdered Wesleyan University Jewish
student
5/6/2009 Middleton Connecticut 1
White supremacists murdered 2 immigrants in
home invasion
5/30/2009 Arivaca Arizona 2
Anti-government Sovereign Citizen murdered
abortion provider Dr. George Tiller
5/31/2009 Wichita Kansas 1
White supremacist killed Holocaust museum
guard
6/10/2009 Washington District of
Colombia
1
White supremacist and associate killed a child
molester
6/30/2009 Carmichael California 1
White supremacist murdered his stepfather to
gain “street cred”
7/28/2009 Paradise California 1
White supremacist murdered a convicted sex
offender
8/28/2009 N. Palm Springs California 1
Two white supremacist skinheads shoot at
interracial couple and killed female
10/3/2009 Phoenix Arizona 1
Anti-government violent extremist flew a small
plane into an Austin, TX office building with U.S.
Internal Revenue Service (IRS) office in it to
protest the IRS and the government
2/18/2010 Austin Texas 1
Neo-Nazi killed an African American man 3/29/2010 South Huntington Pennsylvania 1
White supremacist shot and wounded 4 women
then killed a man
4/20/2010 Wichita Falls Texas 1
Two Sovereign Citizen members killed two police
officers
5/21/2010 West Memphis Arkansas 2
Prison gang white supremacists murdered
another inmate for not objecting to having an
African American cellmate
3/1/2011 Atlanta Georgia 1
White supremacist teenagers run over and kill an
African American man in a motel parking lot
6/26/2011 Jackson Mississippi 1
Two white supremacists murdered a 53-year old
African American man
10/4/2011 Eureka California 1 
Same perpetrators as previous case in Eureka,
CA; perpetrators killed a teenager they thought
was Jewish
10/7/2011 Corvallis Oregon 1
Neo-Nazi killed 6 at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin 8/5/2012 Oak Creek Wisconsin 6
Two neo-Nazis and a third associate murdered a
local drug-dealer
1/9/2013 Verona Kentucky 1
Anti-government “survivalist” boarded a school
bus with a gun and demanded a student be given
to him; he then shot and killed the bus driver
1/29/2013 Midland City Alabama 1
Two white supremacists killed a husband and
wife because the husband was a sex offender
7/21/2013 Jonesville South Carolina 2
Anti-government extremist kills Transportation
Security Administration officer at Los Angeles
International Airport
11/1/2013 Los Angeles California 1
White supremacist shot and killed 2 at a Jewish
Community Center
4/13/2014 Overland Park Kansas 2
Same perpetrator as previous attack in Overland
Park; perpetrator murdered another person at a
Jewish retirement center later the same day
4/13/2014 Leawood Kansas 1
Anti-government married couple killed 2 officers
during shooting rampage on Las Vegas strip
6/8/2014 Las Vegas Nevada 2
Same perpetrators as previous attack in Las
Vegas; perpetrators murdered another person
later the same day
6/8/2014 Las Vegas Nevada 1
Anti-government extremist Eric Frein murdered a
state trooper.
9/12/2014 White Haven Pennsylvania 1
White supremacist Dylann Roof shot and killed 9
African Americans in a shooting at an African
American church in Charleston, SC
6/17/2015 Charleston South Carolina 9
Right-wing extremist opened fire and killed 2
young women among patrons during an Amy
Schumer movie
7/23/2015 Lafayette Louisiana 2
White supremacist shot and killed 9 at his
community college
10/1/2015 Roseburg Oregon 9
Anti-government survivalist extremist killed 3 at
Planned Parenthood clinic including a responding
police officer
11/27/2015 Colorado Springs Colorado 3
Number of
incidents: 62
Total
victims: 106 
Table 2: Radical Islamist Violent Extremist-Motivated Attacks that Resulted in Fatalities, September 12, 2001 through
December 31, 2016, as reported in the U.S. Extremist Crime Database (ECDB)
Summary of ECDB
Incident Description Date City State
Number of
Victim Deaths
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack prior to
D.C. attacks; shot and killed 1 person in state of
Washington
2/16/2002 Tacoma Washington 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack prior to
D.C. attacks; shot and killed 1 person in Arizona
3/19/2002 Tucson Arizona 1
Radical Islamist violent extremist killed 2 at Los
Angeles International Airport El Al ticket counter
7/4/2002 Los Angeles California 2
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack prior to
D.C. attacks; shot and killed 1 person in Atlanta,
GA
9/21/2002 Atlanta Georgia 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack prior to
D.C. attacks; shot and killed 1 person in
Montgomery, AL, 19 hours after attack in Atlanta,
GA
9/21/2002 Montgomery Alabama 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack prior to
D.C. attacks; shot and killed 1 person in Baton
Rouge, LA
9/23/2002 Baton Rouge Louisiana 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/2/2002 Wheaton Maryland 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/3/2002 Rockville Maryland 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/3/2002 Aspen Hill Maryland 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/3/2002 Silver Spring Maryland 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/3/2002 Kensington Maryland 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/3/2002 Washington District of
Columbia
1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/9/2002 Manassas Virginia 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/11/2002 Spotsylvania County Virginia 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/14/2002 Fairfax County Virginia 1
Washington, D.C. Beltway sniper attack 10/22/2002 Aspen Hill Maryland 1
Perpetrator kills 1 at the Jewish Federation of
Greater Seattle
7/28/2006 Seattle Washington 1
Perpetrator kills 1 and injures 18 in hit-and-run
driving spree in San Francisco and Fremont, CA
8/29/2006 Fremont California 1
Salt Lake City, UT Trolley Square Shooting 2/12/2007 Salt Lake City Utah 5
Perpetrator killed one army solider outside of a
military recruiting center in Little Rock, AR
6/1/2009 Little Rock Arkansas 1
Nidal Malik Hasan kills 12 soldiers and 1 civilian at
Fort Hood, TX
11/5/2009 Fort Hood Texas 13
Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev helped murder
3 persons four years before Boston bombing
9/11/2011 Waltham Massachusetts 3 
Reshad Riddle, a convert to Islam, murdered his
father
3/24/2013 Ashtabula Ohio 1
Boston bomber brothers Tamerlan Tsarnaev and
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev planted two bombs at the
Boston Marathon, killing 3
4/15/2013 Boston Massachusetts 3
Tsarnaev brothers shot and killed a Massachusetts
Institute of Technology security officer
4/18/2013 Cambridge Massachusetts 1
Incident 1 in a series of related murders:
perpetrator shot and killed a man in a drive by
shooting
4/27/2014 Seattle Washington 1
Incident 2 in a series of related murders:
perpetrator shot and killed 2 men in Seattle leaving
a gay club
6/1/2014 Seattle Washington 2
Incident 3 in a series of related murders:
perpetrator shot and killed a man in a drive by
shooting and killed a college student
6/25/2014 West Orange New Jersey 1
Justin Nojan Sullivan, a convert to Islam, murdered
his neighbor
12/18/2014 Morganton North Carolina 1
Perpetrator opened fire on two military installations
in Chattanooga, TN, killing 5
7/16/2015 Chattanooga Tennessee 5
San Bernardino, CA shooting spree: Syed Farook
and Tashfeen Malik shoot up office party, killing 14
and injuring 22
12/2/2015 San Bernardino California 14
Orlando Night Club shooting. Omar Mateen killed
49
6/12/2016 Orlando Florida 49
Number of
Incidents: 23
Total
Victims: 119 

so, the meme is wrong/misleading, but that weren't your concern. definitions is page 28. 

(edit: weird formatting errors... maybe fixed)
HA! Good Fun! 
 

 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Gromnir

[Sarex]

Seems to me like splitting all of those in to 2 groups, or us and them is pure BS.

[Gromnir]

2 minutes ago, Sarex said:

Seems to me like splitting all of those in to 2 groups, or us and them is pure BS.

serious?

first group is almost all neo-nazi and white supremacist. second group is also not particular controversial with beltway sniper, fort hood and omar mateen representing easily recognizable examples. if the feds hadn't split so, Gromnir would ask why they were being so obtuse to avoid the obvious characterizations.

HA! Good Fun!

[HoonDing]

"" the US is not a racist country""

in other news, bears do not **** in the forest

[Gfted1]

SEE! All we need is UBI, UHC, UFH and UFE and the extremisms will get all snuffed out.

[Mamoulian War]

19 hours ago, Lexx said:

Or is it?

 

I don't know about Blaha. Tried to google a bit, but not sure if I found the right stuff.

Some stuff about him, posibly heavily edited by his bunch of goons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ľuboš_Blaha

[BruceVC]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/05/sunak-to-launch-bill-to-bar-asylum-claims-from-people-arriving-on-small-boats

The UK is close to passing new laws to deal with the influx of illegal immigration particularly on boats. Hopefully it gets passed. To quote Rishi Sunak "Illegal migration is not fair on British taxpayers, it is not fair on those who come here legally and it is not right that criminal gangs should be allowed to continue their immoral trade. I am determined to deliver on my promise to stop the boats. So make no mistake, if you come here illegally, you will not to be able to stay.”

Its interesting how several people on this forum believe the UK is in decline or want it to fail yet that doesnt stop the reality  of illegal immigration to the UK 

 

 

[Gfted1]

Imo, all countries should allow unrestricted immigration.

[Malcador]

8 hours ago, BruceVC said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/05/sunak-to-launch-bill-to-bar-asylum-claims-from-people-arriving-on-small-boats

The UK is close to passing new laws to deal with the influx of illegal immigration particularly on boats. Hopefully it gets passed. To quote Rishi Sunak "Illegal migration is not fair on British taxpayers, it is not fair on those who come here legally and it is not right that criminal gangs should be allowed to continue their immoral trade. I am determined to deliver on my promise to stop the boats. So make no mistake, if you come here illegally, you will not to be able to stay.”

Its interesting how several people on this forum believe the UK is in decline or want it to fail yet that doesnt stop the reality  of illegal immigration to the UK 

 

 

The UNHCR disagrees, naturally the UK will heed their words as they observe the rule based international order.

You have to apply for asylum in the UK physically rather than at an embassy, no ?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Well I didn't have "Tories reintroduce slavery" on my 2023 bingo card.

[majestic]

9 hours ago, BruceVC said:

stop the boats.

 

[Gfted1]

Immigration / asylum = potato / potahto. Cant get in legit? Then suddenly claim oppression. Its genius!

I myself have felt oppressed for over half a century and I would be open to greener pastures. Can anyone recommend a country with the following criteria: UHC, UBI, an average temperature ~80F, I dont have to learn the language, and ridiculously affordable housing? So far I can only come up with Cancun, and to a less affordable extent, Cabo. I dont think they have UBI either but I could probably let that slide due to the significantly lower cost of living.

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

The UNHCR disagrees, naturally the UK will heed their words as they observe the rule based international order.

You have to apply for asylum in the UK physically rather than at an embassy, no ?

Malc I should we should trust that the UK government knows more about immigration laws than you and I and if they pass this bill in there parliament it should be fine 

 

[BruceVC]

50 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

Immigration / asylum = potato / potahto. Cant get in legit? Then suddenly claim oppression. Its genius!

I myself have felt oppressed for over half a century and I would be open to greener pastures. Can anyone recommend a country with the following criteria: UHC, UBI, an average temperature ~80F, I dont have to learn the language, and ridiculously affordable housing? So far I can only come up with Cancun, and to a less affordable extent, Cabo. I dont think they have UBI either but I could probably let that slide due to the significantly lower cost of living.

Come to SA, we have free public healthcare, English is the main language, its warm, lovely nature and beaches and housing can be affordable especially with $ ...but no UBI sadly 

 

 

[Gromnir]

in the US, the undereducated working class white part o' the majority has, with the help o' rush limbaugh and steve bannon, come to realize they is the real victims o' oppression and discrimination. blm is out there burning down their own communities while the libs qq over wrongs done hundreds o' years past. honest and hard working americans is suffering to put their second kid through college, but who weeps for them? they, the undeserving them such as illegal immigrants and inner city minorities gobble up handouts such as school lunches and snap benefits while decent people struggle silent... save on social media and january 6. you all know the free money programs being paid for by real americans is being wasted on the undeserving p00r, yes?. they is purposeful having more children than they know what to do with and the homeless is just gonna use their free money to get high or drunk anyways, right? 

the internet and fox news gives the underappreciated and genuine deserving poor educated working class white american a safe and anonymous place for the snowflakes to rage 'bout immigrants, crt and crime. yeah, the immigrants willing to work sh!te jobs for less money arriving just as we had a historic inflation problem reminiscent o' the post spanish flu inflation btw woulda' been a solution rather than a problem for any legit economist, but *insert here something nonsensical 'bout crime and the fundamental wrongness o' illegal immigration while deflecting with meme worthy concentration camp silliness*  and no, crt ain't being taught anywhere at public schools in the US save at least the university level. crime got worse during the pandemic and is current seeing higher levels in deep red oklahoma than california, but never let facts get in the way o' a good rant. 

...

sounds like distilled crazy until you talk to ordinary working class americans.

for the past couple decades, the economic situation for undereducated working class whites has been deteriorating in ways paralleling the suffering o' minority groups. you might think the shared burdens would create a kinda empathy 'tween peoples who typical don't intermingle much in the US. nope. thanks to internet, fox news and conservative radio, the "suffering" o' the ignorant snowflakes has been exploited for political gain resulting in previous implausible stoopid such as qanon, tucker carlson and donald trump. 

brave new world.

HA! Good Fun!

[Gfted1]

1 hour ago, BruceVC said:

Come to SA, we have free public healthcare, English is the main language, its warm, lovely nature and beaches and housing can be affordable especially with $ ...but no UBI sadly 

 

 

I dunno man. I saw on the news that Africa has the highest percentage of blow dart violence of any continent in the world! Does the SA UHC provide free access to tree frog antivenom?

[Hurlshort]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

I dunno man. I saw on the news that Africa has the highest percentage of blow dart violence of any continent in the world! Does the SA UHC provide free access to tree frog antivenom?

I'm currently reading Trevor Noah's biography and I'm guessing SA isn't as perfect as some people portray it here. Granted it is probably fine if you meet certain pigment criteria.

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

I dunno man. I saw on the news that Africa has the highest percentage of blow dart violence of any continent in the world! Does the SA UHC provide free access to tree frog antivenom?

Somehow I think blow darts wouldn't be that big a deal compared to gunshots in the entire continent of Africa (as elsewhere except Antarctica..well maybe in Aus it's bogans).  Just hide in a gated community, it'll be fine.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Malcador

[BruceVC]

3 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

I'm currently reading Trevor Noah's biography and I'm guessing SA isn't as perfect as some people portray it here. Granted it is probably fine if you meet certain pigment criteria.

Who ever said SA was perfect? We far from perfect 

[BruceVC]

8 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Somehow I think blow darts wouldn't be that big a deal compared to gunshots in the entire continent of Africa (as elsewhere except Antarctica..well maybe in Aus it's bogans).  Just hide in a gated community, it'll be fine.

Its such an inaccurate cliché when people talk about gated communities in SA. Government fails to deal effectively with crime and we have some of the highest murder and rape rates in the world and when you  live in gated communities or have to pay for private security you get accused of " hiding away " or "  not being part of the real SA experience " 

As if anyone in this world would willingly live in a crime ridden area if you dont have to. And yes all our politicians who run the country  live in gated communities and also have private security