The All Things Political Topic - Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation

[BruceVC]

9 hours ago, HoonDing said:

Bolsonaro will fight like hell to prevent Brazil from becoming a woke liberal anarcho-commie dictatorship.

You mean anarcho-socialist dictatorship, no one pushes Communism anymore Hoonding.  Even the Communists have stopped 

[BruceVC]

So the US midterms are almost upon us. I predict sweeping Republican victories in the Senate and possibly the House

These are the main issues for most voting US citizens in these elections
 

• inflation
• economy
• crime
• border control

R vs W matters but not as much as these salient issues. I think the Dems has miscalculated how much the other issues will influence voting patterns. But we will have to wait and see 

[Lexx]

What's funny about the brazil situation is that the Bolsonaro people are saying the exact same crap as Trumpers do. If you watch interviews with those people, you can easily swap out Bolsonaro with Trump and it's exactly the same to the letter.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Lexx

[Malcador]

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

So the US midterms are almost upon us. I predict sweeping Republican victories in the Senate and possibly the House

These are the main issues for most voting US citizens in these elections
 

• inflation
• economy
• crime
• border control

R vs W matters but not as much as these salient issues. I think the Dems has miscalculated how much the other issues will influence voting patterns. But we will have to wait and see 

Was curious about crime being a major problem versus perception of one

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-health-police-covid-politics-71f16371c775ecbd967f06583e31652f

Although 40% not reporting really does undercut the report.

[ShadySands]

It's mostly being pushed by the Republicans as an issue they can win on by providing simple "solutions" to complex issues.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/404243/economy-top-election-issue-abortion-crime-next.aspx

 

[BruceVC]

18 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Was curious about crime being a major problem versus perception of one

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-health-police-covid-politics-71f16371c775ecbd967f06583e31652f

Although 40% not reporting really does undercut the report.

There is lots of updated  data and perceptions that crime is on the increase, just google it. Here are some  updated 2022 links, your link is from 2020-2021. 

https://nypost.com/2022/09/12/violent-crime-up-across-us-new-study/

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/05/us/new-york-city-crime-wave-2022/index.html

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

25 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Was curious about crime being a major problem versus perception of one

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-health-police-covid-politics-71f16371c775ecbd967f06583e31652f

Although 40% not reporting really does undercut the report.

In general I think media reporting on crime has surged far more than crime. The way some people have convinced themselves every urban area is now a war zone is ****ing hilarious.

[BruceVC]

10 minutes ago, ShadySands said:

It's mostly being pushed by the Republicans as an issue they can win on by providing simple "solutions" to complex issues.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/404243/economy-top-election-issue-abortion-crime-next.aspx

 

Yes thats true, crime is a  complex problem and Im not sure if the Republicans can do better

But it doesnt change the reality and how this is one of the issues people will decide to vote on. Its generally believed that Democrats are " soft " on crime and that perception exists and influences people's voting decisions 

 

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Was curious about crime being a major problem versus perception of one

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-health-police-covid-politics-71f16371c775ecbd967f06583e31652f

Although 40% not reporting really does undercut the report.

gop embraces the crime issue but is not as if they got solutions:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/20/oklahoma-debate-stitt-hofmeister-crime/

“So let’s talk about facts: The fact is, the rates of violent crime are higher in Oklahoma under your watch than in New York or California,” said Hofmeister, who is Oklahoma’s superintendent of public instruction. “That’s a fact.”

Stitt interrupted twice to protest that it wasn’t true.

“We’ll have that fact-checked by the Frontier,” said the moderator, Tres Savage of the nonprofit news outlet NonDoc, referring to the routine fact checks conducted by another independent media site.

What was not shown at the debate was that Hofmeister was correct. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Oklahoma has a homicide rate of 9 deaths per 100,000, compared with California’s rate of 6.1 and New York’s rate of 4.7.

...

have pointed to fact many times how fbi crime rates is generated by self reporting state and local. those law enforcement departments fill out surveys and offer feedback on a voluntary basis and they do not necessarily follow fbi guidelines with much concern for accuracy. as such, national crime stats is not only a couple years remote but they is at best a useful general guide for trends as 'posed to set-in-stone facts. even so, those fbi numbers is the best option we got and those numbers show that during the covid year o' the trump administration, crime stats (violent crimes) increased and they has recent begun to turn around, but not in a few key municipalities... and not always the municipalities you might s'pose. regardless, crime increases were a thing even in the most red o' states and towns and is not as if the gop has real solutions to offer what appears to already be trending in a positive direction regardless.

that said we observed how from the start, post floyd, the defund the police nonsense were democrats and libs punching selves in the face. clear to us were that folks such as aoc and the squad didn't actual live in the neighborhoods where crime were always a primary issue. the nyc mayoral campaign shoulda' been a wakeup call for progressives and democrats in general, but it wasn't. tough on crime has always been a positive selling point for gop and democrats, which is why so many tough on crime dems rose to national prominence based on their prosecutorial efforts more than their social conscience. klobuchar and kamala harris literal built their careers by being tough prosecutors. not outliers. 

none of which matters. the gop has generated a crime talking point which real or not is perceived true by too many americans for democrats to be taking lightly. the facts don't count for anything if people believe something different. americans watch fox and local news and and their fave internet sources tell 'em that crime and homeless encampments is a threat to their safety at the same time they hear a few lib voices, voices decided not biden btw, suggest defund the police is a solution. worst part for democrats were the stoopid phrase: defund the police. could'a made the issue 'bout de-escalation efforts and increased funding for mental health training and initiatives, but somehow the libs embraced a tyson fury approach to arguable legit problems. 

aside: the notion a majority o' americans is concerned overmuch 'bout border security is nonsense. the border is a key issue for gop voters 'cause trumpism tells adherents border security is a major problem.

*chuckle*

is also noteworthy that given concerns 'bout inflation from both libs and conservatives, a serious influx o' people willing to work sh!te jobs for less money would be one o' the few options other than altering interest rates which could improve the inflation situation... and sh!te-for-pay workers woulda' been far less likely to cause a recession than interest rate manipulation. at exact the moment we needed people willing to work crap jobs abandoned by americans during the pandemic, we got people willing to work those jobs. efforts shoulda' been to get as many o' those immigrants working legal 'stead o' trying to score political points.

in any event, reality o' crime is not meaningful if americans believe crime is an issue. gop post trump has been focused on generating talking points instead o' solutions while divided democrats sabotage their response to key issues. is all so predictable tragic and ordinary. if gop had real solutions the situation would be less grotesque, but complaints 'bout defund the police is not a solution. red states such as oklahoma is facing same crime issues as the rest o' the nation and folks such as desantis playing fast and loose with crime stats is so not a solution. doesn't matter though 'cause while the current gop don't have solutions, or any kinda meaningful platform, they is far better at generating outrage. with inflation where it is, generating outrage were not gonna be difficult, eh?

HA! Good Fun!

Edited November 2, 2022 by Gromnir

[Gfted1]

What with all the shooting deaths in Chicago, Im surprised some people can even get out of bed.

[BruceVC]

2 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

What with all the shooting deaths in Chicago, Im surprised some people can even get out of bed.

Are you sure its not perceptions of  shooting deaths and GOP hyperbole. How do we know there are shooting deaths 

[Malcador]

8 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Are you sure its not perceptions of  shooting deaths and GOP hyperbole. How do we know there are shooting deaths 

Reality is not discrete, nor binary.

[Gfted1]

6 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Are you sure its not perceptions of  shooting deaths and GOP hyperbole. How do we know there are shooting deaths 

Chicago mass shooting: 14 shot, including 3 children, in East Garfield Park. ‘It’s over by three seconds,’ Supt. David Brown says - Chicago Sun-Times (suntimes.com)

Seems real enough, but I cant be sure without the usual suspects qq-ing. How will I ever be able to go about my day?

[BruceVC]

21 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Reality is not discrete, nor binary.

What do you mean, can you give an example?

[InsaneCommander]

6 hours ago, Lexx said:

What's funny about the brazil situation is that the Bolsonaro people are saying the exact same crap as Trumpers do. If you watch interviews with those people, you can easily swap out Bolsonaro with Trump and it's exactly the same to the letter.

There are other similarities as well. For example: he asked his people to stop blocking the roads and they are not doing it.

They are also protesting in front of military buildings now, asking for a coup. Who the f*** asks for a coup? These people must have a brain tumor or something.

[Malcador]

4 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

What do you mean, can you give an example?

Well, it's not the case that it's either a warzone or there is no shootings.  People saying the perception is that every city is a Mogadishu in the 90s is wrong aren't saying it's all roses.  Is fairly universal, rural hicks here see stabbings and shootings in Toronto and think it's unsafe as they drive by the meth labs and biker gang bars in their towns.

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, InsaneCommander said:

They are also protesting in front of military buildings now, asking for a coup. Who the f*** asks for a coup? These people must have a brain tumor or something.

Must be missing some context here, surely.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Must be missing some context here, surely.

They're just concerned about their taxes. 

[Pidesco]

That's what a lot of economic anxiety will do to you. 

[InsaneCommander]

3 hours ago, Malcador said:

Must be missing some context here, surely.

That is what I was talking about. What is wrong with this people? And they do it with no shame.

[majestic]

Telling image from yesterday's special session of parliament:

Captions from right to left:

"I need a bigger jacket, I can barely suck in my stomach and talk at the same time." - Chancellor
"I should not have had that bottle of wine for breakfast, it is too difficult to sit here without falling off my chair." - Vice chancellor
"How did I get here? What is that strange, black contraption the old man is speaking into?" - Minister of Defense
*snore* - Minister of Health

"I cannot believe that dolt is my superior." - Undersecretary to the Chancellor's Office

If democracy makes sure that we're no better governed than we deserve, how much negative Karma have my previous incarnations accrued that I am stuck with these people (I did not vote for them, for the record )?

Edited November 3, 2022 by majestic
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[Malcador]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ethiopia-tigray-peace-agreement/

Peace in Tigray, hopefully this lasts. 600k dead as quoted by the article, damn.

[rjshae]

On 11/1/2022 at 11:38 PM, BruceVC said:

So the US midterms are almost upon us. I predict sweeping Republican victories in the Senate and possibly the House

These are the main issues for most voting US citizens in these elections

• inflation
• economy
• crime
• border control

R vs W matters but not as much as these salient issues. I think the Dems has miscalculated how much the other issues will influence voting patterns. But we will have to wait and see 

While I'm not fond of the Trumpian brand, I'd much rather see them running on real issues than on fantasy conspiracy theories.

[Malcador]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/03/ontario-doug-ford-strike-fine-bill-28-canada

Of all things to use a sort of nuclear option as the notwithstanding clause, our meshback Premier uses this.  Also of note is that the people in this province are so stupid they don't even know which union is striking.

Edited November 3, 2022 by Malcador

[BruceVC]

1 hour ago, rjshae said:

While I'm not fond of the Trumpian brand, I'd much rather see them running on real issues than on fantasy conspiracy theories.

Do you agree that these are the main issues people will vote on and if not what  issues do you think will influence peoples votes?

Also what are issues in your state? I know you guys mostly vote Dems but what are the  local issues