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[Gorth]

Just now, Gfted1 said:

The real question is, how many times have you guys whiskey throttled?

Never done the whisky throttle, but I remember a few times where full rev and acceleration saved my butt. One time in particular when I was about to be crushed like a ripe tomato between two large trucks (and neither had seen me). 3 lane highway leading out of the city. A truck going slow on both lane 1 and 3. Gorth going through on lane 2. Suddenly the truck on lane 3 thought he was going to slow for lane 3 and pulled into lane 2 (my lane)

Note... left hand side driving, so lane 1 (left most) is normally for slow traffic. The guy on lane 3 had no business whatsoever being there....

[Gromnir]

was planning on getting a motorcycle when we went away to college. given the parking situation in berkeley, our 78 jeep cherokee were gonna be problematic. we thought a motorcycle were a decent alternative and we already had experience (limited) riding.

our aunt, an er nurse, advised us not to wear a helmet if we rode a motorcycle. said the people who wore helmets tended to survive, "poor bastards." motorcycle injuries, being on the horrific end o' the spectrum, our aunt saw death as the more enviable alternative.

decided we would get a nice bicycle and use bart as much as possible. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

[alanschu]

1 hour ago, Gorth said:

Never done the whisky throttle, but I remember a few times where full rev and acceleration saved my butt. One time in particular when I was about to be crushed like a ripe tomato between two large trucks (and neither had seen me). 3 lane highway leading out of the city. A truck going slow on both lane 1 and 3. Gorth going through on lane 2. Suddenly the truck on lane 3 thought he was going to slow for lane 3 and pulled into lane 2 (my lane)

Note... left hand side driving, so lane 1 (left most) is normally for slow traffic. The guy on lane 3 had no business whatsoever being there....

I was unfamiliar with the term Whiskey Throttle but looking it up, I did do that on my low speed dump when learning hahaha. Engine was revving good on the ground but I had the good sense at least to flip the emergency kill switch at least....

I think I probably did something like that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back as an 11 year old on a little 50cc dirt bike that I promptly concluded I didn't like after popping the clutch in the back common area when we moved out to an acreage. I enjoyed being a passenger with my Dad or brother as a pre-teen though.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Gromnir said:

was planning on getting a motorcycle when we went away to college. given the parking situation in berkeley, our 78 jeep cherokee were gonna be problematic. we thought a motorcycle were a decent alternative and we already had experience (limited) riding.

our aunt, an er nurse, advised us not to wear a helmet if we rode a motorcycle. said the people who wore helmets tended to survive, "poor bastards." motorcycle injuries, being on the horrific end o' the spectrum, our aunt saw death as the more enviable alternative.

decided we would get a nice bicycle and use bart as much as possible.

My dad was a cop. Every time he saw me so much as look admiringly at a motorcycle he would start in with the stories about cleaning up accident scenes.

"You know why motorcycle insurance is so cheap, son? They never have to pay out on it"

Edited July 20, 2022 by Achilles
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[Azdeus]

2 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

The real question is, how many times have you guys whiskey throttled?

Once, when I was nine, I drove my friends motorcross bike straight into their camper trailer due to a broken gearbox (Had to start on second gear, and quite alot of revs since it was a 125cc two-stroke) The dent in it from my head persisted for quite alot of years

Edited July 20, 2022 by Azdeus

[Gfted1]

Ive had two slow speed wrecks on various machines. The first was on an ATV, back when they only had three wheels, and I tried to stop by putting my leg down on the ground, which caused the rear wheel to roll up my leg and fling me to the dirt. The second was on a moped, the type you had to pedal to start, and I was pulling into a parking spot when I hit that patch of oil/grease thats always in the center of a parking spot, and the front wheel just slipped in the oil and dumped me. Nothing under four wheels for this guy now!

[Azdeus]

54 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

The second was on a moped, the type you had to pedal to start, and I was pulling into a parking spot when I hit that patch of oil/grease thats always in the center of a parking spot, and the front wheel just slipped in the oil and dumped me. Nothing under four wheels for this guy now!

Reminds me of driving my moped to school in the winter and hitting a patch of black-ice about 10 yards before the motorway intersection. I puckered up a bit, and there were alot of screaming tyres from the commuting cars that saw me. I managed to stop about 2 metres before the motorway actually started thankfully.

[majestic]

Getting back to politics, there's fun stuff going down in Italy. The cynic in me wants to call this the first of many dominoes falling the other way. 

[BruceVC]

Who would you guys prefer in 2024 as GOP candidate, Trump or DeSantis ?

I definitely prefer DeSantis and I know the problems with some of his policies but Trump is an anomaly and far too inconsistent and I dont like Trumpism which requires Trump to be truly sustainable 

[Pidesco]

13 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Who would you guys prefer in 2024 as GOP candidate, Trump or DeSantis ?

I definitely prefer DeSantis and I know the problems with some of his policies but Trump is an anomaly and far too inconsistent and I dont like Trumpism which requires Trump to be truly sustainable 

DeSantis seems like a pretty abhorrent dude with the abhorrent policies to match, with a strategy specifically designed to appeal to rabid trumpers. So, politically, it is like you are asking people if they prefer Trump with more or less orange smear. 

[BruceVC]

1 minute ago, Pidesco said:

DeSantis seems like a pretty abhorrent dude with the abhorrent policies to match, with a strategy specifically designed to appeal to rabid trumpers. So, politically, it is like you are asking people if they prefer Trump with more or less orange smear. 

Okay but thats not what I want to  know, who would you prefer? I realize neither is ideal but then who would you like to see as a GOP candidate in 2024?

DeSantis has also implemented good policies outside the homophobia which  include 

• On March 22, 2022, DeSantis signed into law bill SB 1054, which requires students entering high school starting in the 2023–24 school year to take a financial literacy course. Florida is the largest U.S. state to mandate a financial literacy course.
• On May 9, 2022, DeSantis signed House Bill 395, mandating that schools observe the traditional Soviet October Revolution Day on November 7 as Victims of Communism Day by devoting 45 minutes to teaching about communism, the role of Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, and other Communist leaders in history, and "how people suffered under those regimes". We have to tell the historical truth and stop glorifying Communism\Socialism and thinking its automictically better than Capitalism
• In June 2019, he signed an anti-"sanctuary city" bill in law; the legislation required law enforcement "to honor U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainers for undocumented immigrants who are arrested or convicted" of crimes. Illegal immigration is wrong and Im sure we can all agree on that 

 

 

[Gromnir]

33 minutes ago, Pidesco said:

DeSantis seems like a pretty abhorrent dude with the abhorrent policies to match, with a strategy specifically designed to appeal to rabid trumpers. So, politically, it is like you are asking people if they prefer Trump with more or less orange smear. 

have repeated more than once, but democrats are bad at voting, with young democrats being even more terrible at exercising the franchise. one o' the down sides o' the january 6 hearings is the committee is painting numerous not-trump republicans as heroic because they did not choose to overthrow US democracy. we are told mike pence were a hero on january 6, which ignores how for months pence fully embraced the bs regarding a stolen election, not to mention how he supported every other trump excess for four years. those doj icons o' justice who marched into the oval office to confront powell, flynn and giuliani's madness were quiet when bill barr and trump sent stormtroopers to oregon to kidnap protesters off the streets o' portland, throwing 'people into unmarked white vans and whisking 'em away to... wherever. same guys didn't rage when bill barr tried to prevent an ig from reporting to Congress 'bout trump's ukraine call. where were these folks during four years o' illegal and excessive trump actions?

trump were improbable in 2016, but trumpism is now part o' gop dogma. appeals to outrage and grievance and attacks on education and those with education is gonna continue. unfortunate, as long as trump is portrayed as the villain, individuals such as desantis is gonna be able to advance trumpism and am unconvinced democrats vote in the kinda numbers they mustered 2020 to prevent a possible desantis administration. 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited July 21, 2022 by Gromnir

[Malcador]

15 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

We have to tell the historical truth and stop glorifying Communism\Socialism and thinking its automictically better than Capitalism

Is this actually a problem in the US, especially Florida ?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

20 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Is this actually a problem in the US, especially Florida ?

Yes, in the sense that Florida is revising history on order to cover up the blemishes. There isn't any glorification of socialism in public school though.

[Gromnir]

socialism is indeed glorified in public schools, but am thinking much as with democracy, too many students don't learn what is socialism.

what US kid ain't taught 'bout fdr's new deal? ordinary high school/middle school teaches rather shallow, but kids still get new deal glorification, which is actual misleading given how much new deal were abject failure. and who didn't learn triangle shirtwaist factory fire? more than a few schools still has upton sinclair's the jungle as required reading, though is probable advanced class stuff nowadays. regardless, the evils o' capitalism and free market profiteering is taught in schools and necessarily you get the socialist contrast. is plenty o' socialist glorification, and some o' it is even deserved.

'course is all too rare for kids to actual learn, so too few recognize how the laws which ended company mining towns were socialism, which explains why adults fail to see farm subsidies as socialism neither. 

our education o' kids is having holes which don't disappear once school kids become adults. somehows, if is a government action which red state people see as positive then  then it can't be socialism. is hardly a conservative-only problem as have had similar difficulties explaining democracy more than once. 

HA! Good Fun!

[Gromnir]

ps: 

possible unnecessary clarification. am not suggesting US schools is anywhere teaching that "socialism is automatically better than capitalism." sure, the new deal is all too often taught as good w/o nuance, but am not claiming is a stoopid endemic either/or fallacy happening in schools where 'cause some aspect o' socialism is indeed glorified it necessarily means capitalism is being derided. such non-existent indoctrination is an imaginary hobgoblin and refuting is not worthy o' debate... but here we are... again. unfortunately, the current gop platform thrives on grievance and if the reality don't fit a narrative o' grievance, the not so alt anymore right creates bs to fit a narrative o' fear and rage which motivates the base.

HA! Good Fun!

Edited July 21, 2022 by Gromnir

[rjshae]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Who would you guys prefer in 2024 as GOP candidate, Trump or DeSantis ?

I definitely prefer DeSantis and I know the problems with some of his policies but Trump is an anomaly and far too inconsistent and I dont like Trumpism which requires Trump to be truly sustainable 

If I were to choose between Trump and DeSantis, I'd say DeSantis is the more rational choice. Trump would just be more of the same garbage time, and DeSantis has at least had military service. I can't say though that I find most of the available candidates particularly appealing from either party, with the possible exception of Amy Klobuchar and Nikki Haley.

[Sarex]

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[Pidesco]

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

Okay but thats not what I want to  know, who would you prefer? I realize neither is ideal but then who would you like to see as a GOP candidate in 2024?

DeSantis has also implemented good policies outside the homophobia which  include 

• On March 22, 2022, DeSantis signed into law bill SB 1054, which requires students entering high school starting in the 2023–24 school year to take a financial literacy course. Florida is the largest U.S. state to mandate a financial literacy course.
• On May 9, 2022, DeSantis signed House Bill 395, mandating that schools observe the traditional Soviet October Revolution Day on November 7 as Victims of Communism Day by devoting 45 minutes to teaching about communism, the role of Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, and other Communist leaders in history, and "how people suffered under those regimes". We have to tell the historical truth and stop glorifying Communism\Socialism and thinking its automictically better than Capitalism
• In June 2019, he signed an anti-"sanctuary city" bill in law; the legislation required law enforcement "to honor U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainers for undocumented immigrants who are arrested or convicted" of crimes. Illegal immigration is wrong and Im sure we can all agree on that 

 

 

• OK, I'll give you that but that is really minor. 
• Sounds a bit like propaganda. 
• See, abhorrent. 

[HoonDing]

So is Victims of Capitalism Day every day?

[Malcador]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/garrett-ziegler-rant/index.html

"He also accused the January 6 House select committee of being "anti-White," without any evidence. (The nine-member panel is led by Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, who is Black.)

"They're Bolsheviks," Ziegler said in the stream, referring to the far-left communists who led the Soviet Union, "so, they probably do hate the American founders and most White people in general. This is a Bolshevistic anti-White campaign. If you can't see that, your eyes are freaking closed. And so, they see me as a young Christian who they can try to basically scare, right?"

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

47 minutes ago, Malcador said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/garrett-ziegler-rant/index.html

"He also accused the January 6 House select committee of being "anti-White," without any evidence. (The nine-member panel is led by Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, who is Black.)

"They're Bolsheviks," Ziegler said in the stream, referring to the far-left communists who led the Soviet Union, "so, they probably do hate the American founders and most White people in general. This is a Bolshevistic anti-White campaign. If you can't see that, your eyes are freaking closed. And so, they see me as a young Christian who they can try to basically scare, right?"

 

He looks like he was made in the Oblivion character creator.

[BruceVC]

11 hours ago, Malcador said:

Is this actually a problem in the US, especially Florida ?

There is an element of culture wars and grandstanding to how both parties in the US frame the socialism\Communism debate but then there is the reality to the modern day and insidious  influence of socialism\Marxism

Firstly whats the most important consideration around this debate is we must never dismiss other peoples lived experience. And when anyone, like KP, handwaves the concern that many people have in the US about socialism thats not right and its condescending 

You know from the Ukraine thread that we have several east European forum friends who have living memory of Communism and life under the USSR. And in the US and in Florida you have influential Cuban American community whose first generation  members  lost everything due to the Cuban revolution. And they will always be opposed to any mention or suggestion of socialism and you cant blame them

But  it seems to be  in the US, and in other countries like SA , that the schools dont highlight the real failures and problems with socialism\Marxism and then some universities seem to promote it in the social sciences because its not promoted in any normal economic degree. At least it wasnt when I was at university in 1996-1998. Gromnir has also touched on this in his post 

And why do I say this about the US? Do you remember @Orogun01. He once told us a story about a 18\19 year old  daughter of a Cuban American family coming home to Florida  from university and saying things like " Cuba had such a nice socialist system and its wrong what the US did " or something similar 

In other words whatever social science degree she was studying they clearly didnt tell the historical and current truth of the failures with the Cuban revolution and the way the Cuban economy is managed 

So to answer your question, yes there are examples of glorifying socialism\Marxism in the US so a mandatory 45 minute education session is a good idea so young people are aware of historical and current failures of these systems

 

[BruceVC]

3 hours ago, HoonDing said:

So is Victims of Capitalism Day every day?

All you need to really be concerned about is you immigrated to a country like the Netherlands for  various reasons and one of them is because its not a failed socialist experiment 

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/20/politics/garrett-ziegler-rant/index.html

"He also accused the January 6 House select committee of being "anti-White," without any evidence. (The nine-member panel is led by Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, who is Black.)

"They're Bolsheviks," Ziegler said in the stream, referring to the far-left communists who led the Soviet Union, "so, they probably do hate the American founders and most White people in general. This is a Bolshevistic anti-White campaign. If you can't see that, your eyes are freaking closed. And so, they see me as a young Christian who they can try to basically scare, right?"

 

There is such a thing in the US and globally  as real anti-White sentiment, I have raised this several times

But this is definitely  not one of them and Ziegler is just grandstanding and playing the " its anti-white and socialism  " card. And to make things worse he is also playing the " its an attack on my religious views " card

This entire inquiry is about the insurrection and events of 6 January and people must be held accountable