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[ComradeYellow]

10 hours ago, Gromnir said:

the fact germany made it legal to detain jews, homosexuals, gypsies, etc.

Why does everyone always leave out socialists?  They were literally the first people persecuted immediately when the Nazi's took power.  "Etc" doesn't cut it here considering Nazi's sprang up as a fierce lashback against the socialist renaissance springing up in Europe at that time period.  Many westerners conveniently overlook this fact.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/joe-manchin-big-coal-west-virginia-1280922/

[BruceVC]

11 hours ago, ComradeYellow said:

Why does everyWeone always leave out socialists?  They were literally the first people persecuted immediately when the Nazi's took power.  "Etc" doesn't cut it here considering Nazi's sprang up as a fierce lashback against the socialist renaissance springing up in Europe at that time period.  Many westerners conveniently overlook this fact.

No its not that we overlook that fact, we just dont care about the Communists\socialists 

[Raithe]

 

[Gfted1]

Like Ive been saying, seizing the fatcats property and monies will fix everything. *checks pamphlet I found on my windshield* The top 1% holds 85% of the worlds wealth! THAT *clappysymbol* AINT *clappysymbol* FAIR! *clappysymbol* Its so simple I dont know why we dont do it.  

[ComradeYellow]

11 hours ago, BruceVC said:

No its not that we overlook that fact, we just dont care about the Communists\socialists 

Bruce represents "we" apparently.  South African white trash   

[Raithe]

[Gfted1]

^I wish I could "like" that more than once!

[rjshae]

UN to provide food to Venezuela children amid crisis

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Price controls, which were aimed at making basic goods more affordable to the poor, ruined many Venezuelan businesses because they no longer made a profit. With many businesses ceasing halting production, shortages of basic goods and food spread.

The economic situation has worsened severely since Hugo Chávez died and his right-hand man, Nicolás Maduro, became president in 2016.

 

Food shortages in a socialist government-managed economy? Hmm, where have I heard that before... oh yes, in virtually every other socialist government-managed economy we've seen in the last century. This failure is as predictable as the Sun rising in the east.

[Malcador]

1 minute ago, rjshae said:

Food shortages in a socialist government-managed economy? Hmm, where have I heard that before... oh yes, in virtually every other socialist government-managed economy we've seen in the last century. This failure is as predictable as the Sun rising in the east.

Having a superpower decide you're an enemy for some reason, also helps.

[Raithe]

 

[Elerond]

7 minutes ago, rjshae said:

UN to provide food to Venezuela children amid crisis

Food shortages in a socialist government-managed economy? Hmm, where have I heard that before... oh yes, in virtually every other socialist government-managed economy we've seen in the last century. This failure is as predictable as the Sun rising in the east.

It is bit double edged sword thing, as almost all the countries where there has been socialist goverment-managed economy have had socialist revolution because majority of people there didn't have money or food and no prospect for better life which lead them to support socialist revolutionist who promised them better life.

So they were already countries which economy was failing, but it is true that socialists who have taken over those countries don't have good track record when it comes to fix their countries failed economies. Usually their policies have lead their countries to worse than they were before revolution, but often they have suffered from trade sanctions from the world riches countries for various reasons.

[Gromnir]

Pressed on his election lies, former President Trump cuts NPR interview short

In the interview, Trump repeated a number of false claims about voting systems in the U.S., including that the discredited GOP-led ballot review in Arizona showed evidence of malfeasance — despite the fact that it also reaffirmed Biden's victory.

Republican officials in Maricopa County, however, debunked the characterizations of Trump and his allies in a 93-page rebuttal issued last week.

"The people who have spent the last year proclaiming our free and fair elections are rigged are lying or delusional," said Bill Gates, the GOP chair of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

Asked why even Republicans in the state accepted the findings, Trump reverted to an old attack.

"Because they're RINOs," he said, "and frankly, a lot of people are questioning that."

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is gonna be more than a few democrats who chuckle at the interview which trump fled 2/3 o' the way through, but am thinking npr were the folks who got taken for a ride. trump, current denied his preferred social media presence, were given the opportunity to peddle his election lies on a national platform. as far as trump's monumental failures during the pandemic, the interview's covid questions were instead all 'bout vaccines and trump is happy to take credit for vaccines, while simultaneous stressing he is 100% opposed to mandates, 'cause liberty or something. is difficult to figure out what trump is saying if you only read transcripts. recognizing trump's borderline aphasia, the listener necessarily is gonna fill in the gaps based on their expectations, and those who lean conservative is gonna hear different than will others. perhaps most obvious were that trump's tactical retreat managed to get him clear o' the interview prior to the predictable questions 'bout the insurrection-- to trump supporters it will not look like 45 dodged insurrection questions 'cause the former President fled before arriving at such troublesome interview territory.

cnn, msnbc, washington post and others will justifiably mock trump's performance in the linked npr interview, but am not seeing how this is anything other than a victory for trump, albeit a minor one. agreeing to interview trump remote were the mistake. 

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the only way we would agree to interview trump nowadays would be with a female interviewer and would need be live and in-person, so storming off the set would necessarily make him look weak, and we know he hates that kinda thing. why a woman? trump knows he has troubles with educated women voters, regardless o' party affiliation.  a woman interviewer willing to press him has a tendency to discombobulate 45. the possibility (likely) o' trump becoming dismissive or adversarial with a woman interviewer is not only different for trump, but the audience perceives different, particularly the more than 50% o' americans o' voting age who is women.

by any objective standard, the npr were not some kinda win for trump, but is not 'bout objective, logic or reasonable. the interview were national and it will play well to his base... and you are allowing trump to set himself apart from desantis on the vaccine and covid... which might actual be a positive 'cause is almost unfair that the democrats have a seeming monopoly on self-destructive infighting at the moment. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

[rjshae]

1 hour ago, Malcador said:

Having a superpower decide you're an enemy for some reason, also helps.

It can make it worse, but it's not the root cause.

[Agiel]

Dutch Disease rears its ugly head again.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Agiel

[Malcador]

16 minutes ago, rjshae said:

It can make it worse, but it's not the root cause.

Did I say it was ? But it's interesting to note you ignored it.

[rjshae]

14 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Did I say it was ? But it's interesting to note you ignored it.

Not  quite. It was already covered by the news article, which I conveniently supplied. Enjoy your read.

[Malcador]

13 minutes ago, rjshae said:

Not  quite. It was already covered by the news article, which I conveniently supplied. Enjoy your read.

I guess it does explain why the socialism boogeyman works on things that it shouldn't.

  

1 hour ago, Raithe said:

 

Not too sure on them being able to kick Russia in the balls.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Malcador

[rjshae]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

I guess it does explain why the socialism boogeyman works on things that it shouldn't.

Yep, you get guaranteed health care while you're starving to death. Lucky you. 

[Chairchucker]

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Socialism is when the government does stuff I don't like and as soon as it does everyone will starve to death.

[Elerond]

40 minutes ago, rjshae said:

Yep, you get guaranteed health care while you're starving to death. Lucky you. 

~2966 people die per year because of malnutrition in USA every year (0.9/100k people)

~540 people die per year because of malnutrition in Venezuela every year  (1.9/100k people )

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

8 minutes ago, Elerond said:

~2966 people die per year because of malnutrition in USA every year (0.9/100k people)

~540 people die per year because of malnutrition in Venezuela every year  (1.9/100k people )

.9/100k is too high, we need to cut food stamps to lower it.

[rjshae]

52 minutes ago, Elerond said:

~2966 people die per year because of malnutrition in USA every year (0.9/100k people)

~540 people die per year because of malnutrition in Venezuela every year  (1.9/100k people )

Statistics can be manipulated. Do you have a source for this?

[Zoraptor]

They're WHO figures for 2018. [should say, I haven't directly looked them up to check, only seen them cited as such]

4 hours ago, Malcador said:

I guess it does explain why the socialism boogeyman works on things that it shouldn't.

Most of the world's socialist countries have the best food security they've had in their history, now. You can say what you want about Mao- and let's be honest, most of the negatives are richly deserved- but China hasn't had a major famine since his reforms despite very very regularly having them before hand. Of course that's partly due to the Green Revolution and international freight, but there are still plenty of places that do get famine. Most of which are, well, capitalist. The bigger argument is whether China is actually socialist or not.

The main objection is the same one there is to most such simplistic quasi propaganda*. The lens is very seldom turned the other way, and either way you do it if you work back from the conclusion you want you can 'prove' anything. In an alternative reality where the USSR won everyone is reading articles talking about the failure of capitalism due to the truly staggering amount of starvation in British India, all the dead Chinese from Opium grown in India while said Indians were starving, all the food exported from other parts of India while other Indians were starving, how them dying was fine because "they breed like rabbits" (not one of Churchill's more quoted aphorisms, for some reason), and, why not; how the exquisitely capitalist opium trade lead to 80 million deaths in the Taiping Rebellion.

Which is of course simplistic, but then you can hardly get more simplistic than Socialism -> Starvation.

*Look at Belt&Road. At least with that you get the infrastructure you paid for, onus is on you to make sure you actually need it, eh Montegnegro. Always easier to whine about the contract later though. The IMF and WB on the other hand were notorious for lending to countries and having their leaders embezzle pretty much every cent. Even nowadays their lending is at least as much to prop up western economic interests as anything else. Get food insecure countries to grow coffee so they can buy the cheap, subsidised, EU/ US agricultural staples that are uneconomic for them to grow themselves because, well, their competitors are massively subsidised.

Edited January 13, 2022 by Zoraptor