The State of Mind in the US

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:

You have to pay for/ subscribe to the full data set/ questionnaire from Pew, the publicly available questions in the pdf about Trump covid etc are just a sample. But while there is no primary source available unless someone wants to get a sub the derived/ secondary source (graphs) were generated by a PhD student and don't seem to have had any claims of being made up or anything.

 

you mean other than multiple responses calling him a fraud and claiming the questions were not framed as he depicts? observing how he ain't showing his work anywheres?

hardly a surprise this guy didn't question mr. goldberg a bit more.

this guy claims to be a professor at "nunia business university," which we assume is some kinda inside joke.

that said, there is indeed a couple individuals in the thread who do not immediate fail the crackpot test. not sure where that gets you.

pew data is hardly state secret level stuff and is frequent referenced in scholarly sources and reputable print journalism. yeah, if zor or Gromnir wants to see atp wave 64 questions and results, we need pay for the privilege o' doing so, but is curious that this bit o' data from over a year ago has not been cited anywhere else other than meme such as were the source o' skarp_one's image. if this were 2020, then your linked tweet would be curious and worth looking into a bit more. is 2021 and not even the usual alt-right suspects have picked up on this and repeated with hardly disguised glee? a year?

30s. spend a few more seconds and try to find a source you would likely demand o' any poster on this board. lord knows we didn't bother to look for social media sources, and would not in the future.

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

 

[Zoraptor]

Well, if you'd spent 30s instead of just looking up the 1st pdf you could find thinking that was the list of questions you could have saved me that 30s I spent. I charge at 300USD/ hour or part thereof, fortunately I accept accept payment in lolz which you are always good for.

As it happens, was not intended as a gotcha to make you look stoopid, despite you obviously intending the original to make Skarpen look stoopid. That, you've managed to do entirely by yourself.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Zoraptor

[Gromnir]

odd. from our pov, is zor living down to his typical low effort standard which caused us to chuckle.  as such we will wait for another source. more laugh opportunities. 'course is kinda no win for zor at this point after linking a rando tweet which did indeed include claims the grad student were playing funny with the data, which zor woulda' noticed if he bothered to actual read perhaps beyond the act o' linking.

HA! Good Fun!

[Zoraptor]

 Funny really, an obsessive need to pick fights with one poster segues perfectly into an obsessive need to pick fights with another, all to deflect from being found to be lazy. Guess it's too much to expect for you to apologise to Skarp_One for jumping to ignorant conclusions, just time to double down like you did when claiming AOC lied more than Trump.

100% pure Gromnir, blame someone else for finding a link hidden cunningly behind the obscure and arcane academic mask of, uh, google search. Well, duckduckgo search in my case, as I am not a peasant.

[Gromnir]

11 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

 Funny really, an obsessive need to pick fights with one poster segues perfectly into an obsessive need to pick fights with another, all to deflect from being found to be lazy.

 

y'know, that kinda blatant hypocrisy does not count as edgy ironic even on the intraweb. you fibbing 'bout past Gromnir statements is one o' your tells btw, so until you find a non-tweet source other than the one which has multiple claims o' being misleading and false right in the twitter link you provided, contrary to your earlier statement, am wondering what is the point o' this save the ego stroke opportunity. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Zoraptor]

Dunno, you'll go a long way to find two people I obsessively pick fight with on this forum whom I can segue said obsessive need for attention with.

And I told you last time, 300USD per hour or part thereof and I'll do research for you, that's my rate. Shouldn't have made the joke about accepting payment in lolz, obviously. For you, payment very much demanded in advance.

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, Zoraptor said:

Dunno, you'll go a long way to find two people I obsessively pick fight with on this forum whom I can segue said obsessive need for attention with.

 

you realize that admission doesn't help you, yes? we treat you little different than a handful o' other posters who are habitual dishonest and/or comical obdurate. you are not a special snowflake from our pov. nothing noteworthy save to observe the company you share is hardly illustrious.

converse, admit to singling us out? well, ok. thanks?  is a smidge creepy, but am s'posing such is a hazard o' the internet.

that said, am thinking will hold off on the fee as am all too often compelled to correct zor errors to ever consider financing his self-serving sloth. 

well, you and nunia business university guy provided some entertainment, which am guessing is "the point" we were looking for in pour previous post, but if you refuse to add anything constructive, then we end up with these little sucking toilet bowl swirlies o' the inane which become progressive more infantile and exponential increase the likelihood o' mod interference. even Gromnir has limited patience for such. 

HA! Good Fun!

ps edited out a repeat word. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Gromnir

[Gfted1]

18 hours ago, teknoman2 said:

most of the reports i've seen around on youtube from clips of US news and talk shows, talk about how people there go bankrupt because of medical expenses and how insurance companies are preferring to fly people to mexico to buy their medication because a round trip is cheaper than paying for meds on USA. they say that even for people with a well payed job, paying that 20-25% copay part is at times costing more than they make in a year if they come down with something serious and need to be hospitalized.

Since the goalposts have shifted from a "simple checkup" to trying to purchase IIlludium PU-36 to treat dear old gramgram's Nth stage cancer, then I can get on board this sentiment. Its a graphic example that illustrates the clear need for UHC. I for one am tired of our birthrights being trampled by the fatcats.

[Zoraptor]

10 hours ago, Gromnir said:

that said, am thinking will hold off on the fee as am all too often compelled to correct zor errors to ever consider financing his self-serving sloth.

100% pure Gromnir. Can't even do a basic internet search properly, thinks a major survey has 5 questions; and it's someone else's fault and they're lazy for correcting him, which is very much a pattern response when he's found wanting. Also, him having a long list of people he picks fights with isn't a problem, on the contrary it's a sign of virtue. Not sure if that constitutes an actual narcissistic personality disorder, but it would be deliciously ironic considering the thread subject.

Thing is, I don't single you out, I'd have written- and have written- similar responses to heaps of other people without issue indeed I've done so on things like suicide rates and gun crime, deaths by terrorism and maps from NATO that forget Kaliningrad is part of Russia; you just trigger easily and take even the most minor correction as a personal affront to your gravitas, even when it's on stuff you literally know nothing about. And your response is always to repeat stuff until the other person gives up, giving you the 'win', and reinforcing that pattern of behaviour. That's why you have a list of people you argue pointlessly with, and I don't.

[rjshae]

Well this discussion is just nuts. Have you tried talking to somebody? 

[teknoman2]

i don't personally know how things work in USA but all i see around are reddit posts like this and news reports of similar nature. they all talk about people going bankrupt because of healthcare costs so i make the assumption that the cost is prohibitive for the average person

[Hurlshort]

As was pointed out, every situation varies drastically depending on a tremendous amount of factors. Which is just one of the incredibly stupid aspects of the healthcare system in the US.

But Gfted1 lives a charmed life, so he doesn't need to worry about hismelf and his own. *shrug*

[Gfted1]

3 hours ago, Hurlsnot said:

But Gfted1 lives a charmed life, so he doesn't need to worry about hismelf and his own.

Youve got it exactly wrong, yet again. Those are the only things I need to worry about.

The rest of the world can form a queue and Ill get to you as my interest and resources permit.

UHC! UHC! UHC! and UBI!

[Azdeus]

14 hours ago, Hurlsnot said:

As was pointed out, every situation varies drastically depending on a tremendous amount of factors. Which is just one of the incredibly stupid aspects of the healthcare system in the US.

I dare not think about what the tests I have to go through yearly would cost me, a couple of them takes several hours of a specialists time. Kidney blood flow through and similar.

[Gfted1]

Theres probably a Reddit thread about it, but one thing you absolutely do not want to happen to you in the US, and I cannot stress this enough, is to get bitten by a venomous snake. The price of anti-venom is so astronomical they will just come over, put your house on jacks, and tow that thing right off the foundation.

[LadyCrimson]

9 hours ago, Azdeus said:

I dare not think about what the tests I have to go through yearly would cost me, a couple of them takes several hours of a specialists time. Kidney blood flow through and similar.

Monthly upkeep of any medicines can also be a huge factor for uninsured in some cases, relative to income.

I think the insulin I'm taking would be around $150-$200 per month retail which for many would be a not unsizable annual burden. And that's not some uber expensive or rare drug.  And those blood test strips can be $1 a strip, and considering one is "supposed" to use one at least once a day, maybe thrice - altho at this point I mostly just check it once or twice a week. 

We currently have an insurance plan that pretty much covers everything - we weren't billed a dime for my multiple-day hospital stay last year and all the tests/scans they ran on me, or when they want to rerun the standard checkup tests, for example.  But we also don't get any true personalized care.  It's the typical US hospital factory.  And we didn't always have such a policy.  Most people don't.

Most employers can't afford the really pricey/comprehensive plans and even if they did, it also means more taken out of your paycheck if you accept it.  Still, better health insurance is definitely one factor that can motivate people to switch jobs.

Edited April 21, 2021 by LadyCrimson

[Hurlshort]

My wife requires a enzyme to help her pancreas continue working. She takes them with every meal. When she first started taking them, it was $90 a month to buy them at our pharmacy. Without insurance, it would be about $300. 

After a few months of that, I called the insurance company to complain about the cost. They told me to use a different pharmacy that they have a better rate with. Now we pay $15 a month. That is great, but this is still a stupid system.

[LadyCrimson]

^  It's a system for the rich, basically.   >.>

[Azdeus]

3 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

Theres probably a Reddit thread about it, but one thing you absolutely do not want to happen to you in the US, and I cannot stress this enough, is to get bitten by a venomous snake. The price of anti-venom is so astronomical they will just come over, put your house on jacks, and tow that thing right off the foundation.

I honestly don't know wether to laugh or cry at that. Did both.

1 hour ago, LadyCrimson said:

Monthly upkeep of any medicines can also be a huge factor for uninsured in some cases, relative to income.

I think the insulin I'm taking would be around $150-$200 per month retail which for many would be a not unsizable annual burden. And that's not some uber expensive or rare drug.  And those blood test strips can be $1 a strip, and considering one is "supposed" to use one at least once a day, maybe thrice - altho at this point I mostly just check it once or twice a week. 

We currently have an insurance plan that pretty much covers everything - we weren't billed a dime for my multiple-day hospital stay last year and all the tests/scans they ran on me, or when they want to rerun the standard checkup tests, for example.  But we also don't get any true personalized care.  It's the typical US hospital factory.  And we didn't always have such a policy.  Most people don't.

Most employers can't afford the really pricey/comprehensive plans and even if they did, it also means more taken out of your paycheck if you accept it.  Still, better health insurance is definitely one factor that can motivate people to switch jobs.

Yeah, I remember looking up my BP medicines I take, in Sweden I pay about ~55$ total per quarter or so, though I don't know how much it'd cost with insurance, just over the counter prices are really high. Using drugs.com, my 100x100 spironolactone costs 25$, while in the US it's double. My Felodipine costs 24$ here and 162$ in the US, Candesartan costs 7$ here and atleast 180$ in the US. I mean... c'mon.

If you need frequent doctors visits here in Sweden it is capped at 120$ per year, and I'm quite friendly with all my doctors.

We do have to pay all dental costs out of our own pocket, and it's ludicrously expensive.

[the_dog_days]

 

[Gorth]

5 hours ago, Azdeus said:

We do have to pay all dental costs out of our own pocket, and it's ludicrously expensive.

Same thing in Denmark. As for BP medication, here I pay a staggering $24 Aussie dollars (~$15-$17 USD) a month ) in total for two different drugs, so half the amount for each. Doctor visits are free (I got a prescription that lasts for 6 months at a time, after which I go see the doctor again and get my blood pressure checked). The downside of a long and stressful life, neglecting all good advice and best practices when it comes to healthy living I suppose

Edit: I never got my mental health checked. Not sure I really want to. I might not like the result. A doctor once suspected bipolar disorder, but he was a medical doctor so he couldn't diagnose it.

[Gromnir]

for a number of years we were paying ~$800 per month for our sister's meds. she had lupus, which became other problems. she also had some emotional problems stemming in large part from an assault when she were a student at Cal. took meds for the mental health issues, but those weren't what was costing most o' the $800. if it makes skarp_one feel better, after her attack incident, she tended to vote republican, or perhaps she voted republican 'cause that is what Gromnir were doing at the time. whatever.

however, the reason her meds were so expensive were in part 'cause we were supporting her. we couldn't get her onto our personal insurance plan for various reasons, but we coulda' finagled so she were medi-cal eligible (and most o' her meds woulda' been free) but while her medical care woulda' been not terrible... well, that is the best we can say.  we supported and so she weren't ssi and medi-cal eligible.

our meds, save one, has copays o' $10, but we checked and on average we would be paying $15 for each even if we had no insurance 'cause they is not particular expensive. is one exception. costs us $80 but is not a monthly med. would cost us far more than $80 if we had to pay brand name price with no generic option. considering our med issues, we don't spend much on meds... yet.

a couple years past we did have surgery and a single overnight stay post-op. were real surgery--not cosmetic. needed anesthesia. weren't life saving though. something to keep us able to walk and maintain bladder control, so kinda necessary from our pov.

our insurance were billed $350k. we paid $25 out of pocket.

in 2021, if you are a day gig worker in the US, chances are you still need decide 'tween rent, food, transportation, utilities and health insurance. at least one from that list is gonna be a loser. guess which most choose. accident happens or you suffer a burst appendix or whatever... get a $350k bill and then what?

HA! Good Fun!

[Pidesco]

11 hours ago, Azdeus said:

I honestly don't know wether to laugh or cry at that. Did both.

Yeah, I remember looking up my BP medicines I take, in Sweden I pay about ~55$ total per quarter or so, though I don't know how much it'd cost with insurance, just over the counter prices are really high. Using drugs.com, my 100x100 spironolactone costs 25$, while in the US it's double. My Felodipine costs 24$ here and 162$ in the US, Candesartan costs 7$ here and atleast 180$ in the US. I mean... c'mon.

If you need frequent doctors visits here in Sweden it is capped at 120$ per year, and I'm quite friendly with all my doctors.

We do have to pay all dental costs out of our own pocket, and it's ludicrously expensive.

Dental costs are not particularly more expensive in Sweden than most anywhere else. It's more or less the same price as in Portugal, and 25%, I believe, is covered if you are doing very expensive work. Also, dental work is free is if you are under 25. I think the idea is if everything important is taken care of when you are growing up, then ongoing costs are mitigated later in life. My stepdaughter needed extensive dental work, and it would have put us in the hole back in Portugal. Here it's completely free.

[teknoman2]

every system has its pros and cons. the problem as i, an outsider, see it in USA is the "muh freedom" mentality that corporations make extensive use of to rile up people against any attempt by the government to put their corporate greed on a leash. every time the US government tries to reign in the greed of corporations for the sake of the population, these corporations engage in long and costly misinformation campaigns in the media to convince the population that their freedom is at stake and set them against the government. this has created a situation where the average american has to juggle 10 torches while riding and unicycle and trying to navigate through a pack of wolves to get a normal life, convinced that anyone who claims he wants to help is after his freedom

but that's just my thoughts as someone who never lived there

[Gfted1]

My memory is a little foggy, but I didnt pay anything (or very very little) for the birth of my child.