Guard Dog Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Yesterday Sanders trotted out that tired old line "real socialism has never been tried" during a townhall on Fox News. If the fake kind has caused all the f----d upness it has I shudder to think what the real kind might do. Not that he is advocating "real" socialism rather than socialism-lite. He says all the right things about not wanting violence and authoritarianism but after decades of fawning praise of violent and authoritarian governments it's hard to believe he doesn't get a little wood imagining firing squads and secret police. Even if he knows it can never happen. Anyway, after tonight he'd done. That goose is cooked for good an all. Only a Superdelegate intervention can save him. And everyone already knows THAT will never happen. Heck they were lining up to submarine him if he did get the delegates. So he's done. Unless he runs as an Indy. I doubt he would do that. But it would be really entertaining if he did. So I wonder what the young fanatics and assorted useful idiots who follow him will do now? Will they get behind Biden? Probably should but somehow I doubt they will. Interesting days ahead. A Biden Admin would not be too terrible. As long as he assembles a decent staff and cabinet and stays out of their way. Of course I said the same thing about Trump. That didn't work out so well did it? "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarpen Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 So in other words Sanders is Berning out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Guard Dog said: A Biden Admin would not be too terrible. As long as he assembles a decent staff and cabinet and stays out of their way. Of course I said the same thing about Trump. That didn't work out so well did it? We all make predictions or have views based on real, historical and anecdotal evidence so it would be normal to assume " a Trump presidency wont be so bad ", also it hasnt been all bad especially around the economic output But I do think a Biden presidency will be fine and an overall improvement for the status of the USA if you compare Biden to Trump "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarpen Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Raithe said: I don't get it. Kavanaugh wasn't competing with a women. Supreme Court nominations are not elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Skarpen said: I don't get it. Kavanaugh wasn't competing with a women. Supreme Court nominations are not elections. The senate votes on the nominees to the supreme court to confirm them after nomination by the president, therefore Collins voted for him to be confirmed. The women thing is a reference to the allegations of sexual impropriety that dogged Kavanaugh's and there was testimony regarding these in the confirmation hearings. I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I'm pretty sure he gets it. He just doesn't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 in our estimation, there were no good reason to force the kavanaugh confirmation once his questionable past came to light. as skarp notes, the position o' Justice is not elected by public and is in fact a lifetime appointment. Justice position is consciously undemocratic and yet such individuals sit in judgement over the entire nation, often for decades. as such, there should not be any serious questions regarding character or competence o' Justice candidates particular as there is so many candidates available. fact such concerns were ignored is shameful. that said, and ignoring skarp's feigned ignorance for the nonce, am gonna recognize how on the short list candidates for the seat on the bench vacated by Justice Kennedy, amy coney barrett were near top o' such a list. am only a teensy bit familiar with molly jong-fast, but given amy coney barrett's record on a score o' issues often mislabeled as liberal, am suspecting molly woulda' been no more happy with collins voting in favor o' an amy coney barrett confirmation than she were with kavanaugh. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeYellow Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Whelp I guess it's four more years of Trumpo. The Green Party primaries and caucuses have already started and My Guy isn't part of them so I guess the libertarian left will have to endure Four more years of Zionist puppet Trump until his tax cuts and deregulations and rampant military spending augmented with coronavirus panic finally tank the economy. I don't think Biden will win because he's too normal to beat an incumbant, and the normal Democrats are still infected with conspiracy theories and delusions of Russians taking over the U.S. and Trump (lol), plus liberal progressives (Bernie/Warren) need a dose of reality. So what the Hell do we do these next four years? I guess get out and get involved on ecological and socio-economic justice and shed this ridiculous obsession with identity politics and other empty platitudes that have gutted the liberal lefts credibility for quite some time. Depressing but four more years of Trump (Or Hell, even Biden!) is a reality I'm gonna have to prepare for. Edited March 12, 2020 by ComradeMaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeYellow Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 10:18 PM, Guard Dog said: Yesterday Sanders trotted out that tired old line "real socialism has never been tried" during a townhall on Fox News. If the fake kind has caused all the f----d upness it has I shudder to think what the real kind might do. I would say that "Real Socialism" tm is a 19th century concept sort of like protective tariffs and is largely irrelevant in the 21st century just as it was in the 20th century... There are other ways to institute social and economic justice without resorting to digging up dead concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 2 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Bye bye Euro: https://www.fxstreet.com/news/ecbs-villeroy-we-are-making-unlimited-liquidity-available-to-banks-so-they-can-lend-202003130624 Of course Mnuchin is talking about doing the same s--t here. THIS... insanity... is why cryptocurrency is a thing. This is why Bitcoin, which is worthless by the way, is valuable. 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 China showed us how to play 41D Go. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) While sitting in my favorite rocking chair last night, enjoying by favorite libation, I go to thinking. How would history be different if Bobby Kennedy had not been murdered? RFK was in real good shape to win vs Nixon in '68. Humphrey was a weak candidate. With RFK in the race there likely would not have been Democrat defections to Wallace who hurt Humphrey more than Nixon as his supporters were predisposed towards Democrats. If Nixon loses in '68 he likely does not run in '72 and Watergate never happens. Gerald Ford never becomes President. In fact he probably never rises higher than House Minority Leader. The Vietnam war likely ends a LOT sooner. Between '70 & '72 I'm guessing The Apollo program would have been extended. At least through the planned 18-19 missions. The most likely challenger to RFK in '72 would have been Ronald Reagan. He was a rising star after the '64 Convention. China would not be the economic powerhouse it is today. Nixon is the one who made the trade deals that earned them economic ascendancy. Carter never becomes President. If Reagan won in '72 he'd likely have been re-elected. If RFK won in '72 the hawks would have been firmly in control of the Democrat Party. If Reagan lost in '72 the Rockafeller wing of the Republicans would be dominant. The GOP would likely be more socially liberal than it was then. RFK would have propped up the Shah of Iran, ditto Reagan. There is a chance the revolution does not happen. There is also the chance of US Military intervention there in '79. If the Shah is still in power the USSR probably does not invade Afghanistan. Anything else? Edited March 14, 2020 by Guard Dog "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 have mentioned previous our greater admiration for bobby as 'posed to jfk, recognizing am talking 'bout political contributions. am not gonna undersell jfk wartime efforts and bravery. that said, an impoverished china, stuck with an agrarian and largely pre-industrial economy subject to frequent famines while nevertheless possessing nukes would not be a positive in our mind. as dangerous as you might believe china to be today, am only able to imagine a kinda north korea but magnified +50x as being inherent more dangerous than the current reality. in fact, all the other positives you note combined might not counter the dangers o' a china cut off from globalism. am not gonna suggest we were lucky to have nixon as President. after all, is tough to ignore watergate and vietnam. that said, a great number o' monumental positive changes occurred not just during nixon admin but 'cause o' nixon, not least which were his efforts with china... epa, clean air act, clean water acts and while it receives less press than his efforts to get cancer research funded for first time by fed, nixon is the guy who personal spearheaded the movement to end American policy o' forced assimilation o' native peoples. HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Guard Dog said: China would not be the economic powerhouse it is today. Nixon is the one who made the trade deals that earned them economic ascendancy. If anything I believe that Nixon normalising relations with China is a giant net positive since it helped hasten the end of the Cold War. With warming relations between the US and the PRC the Soviet Union now found itself in a strategically untenable position (Both China and the USSR had a simmering border conflict at the time, to say nothing of Soviet meddling in what China considered its own sphere of influence). Should a shooting war erupt in Europe the Soviets would face the very real possibility that China would stab them in the back as it exhausted itself in other theaters. Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 You guys are not wrong on China. IMO the most historically significant event in the later half of the 20th Century is the Iranian revolution and the invasion of Afghanistan. I saw event because those two are tied closely together. Reverse that and the 21st Century is completely different. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Or maybe things would be even worse today. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HoonDing said: Or maybe things would be even worse today. Sure. But they would be different. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeYellow Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 https://historicly.substack.com/p/the-economy-of-evil Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Hi Guys Do our American members know who you going to vote for? Can you guys share so we can discuss any considerations I remember one of the times I asked this and most people said there vote was confidential but I am hoping after the tumultuous last few years we have all had I am sure this wont be a problem....I feel closer to you guys now and something like a possible vote should be a easy discussion "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarpen Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, BruceVC said: Hi Guys Do our American members know who you going to vote for? Can you guys share so we can discuss any considerations I remember one of the times I asked this and most people said there vote was confidential but I am hoping after the tumultuous last few years we have all had I am sure this wont be a problem....I feel closer to you guys now and something like a possible vote should be a easy discussion Since US included Poland in visa free travel and Democrats don't mind, me and couple of my friends will visit US and vote for Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Skarpen said: Since US included Poland in visa free travel and Democrats don't mind, me and couple of my friends will visit US and vote for Trump. Yes, you right...of course all of us outside the USA will be also "voting " I am not 100 % sure who I will vote for. I may not vote if I cant align with a candidate "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeYellow Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 hours ago, BruceVC said: Hi Guys Do our American members know who you going to vote for? Can you guys share so we can discuss any considerations I remember one of the times I asked this and most people said there vote was confidential but I am hoping after the tumultuous last few years we have all had I am sure this wont be a problem....I feel closer to you guys now and something like a possible vote should be a easy discussion I will be sitting out from further elections until a strong 3rd party candidate shows up. I may vote Lisa Savage for Senator but that's about it. Will never vote D or R nationally ever again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeYellow Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Skarpen said: Since US included Poland in visa free travel and Democrats don't mind, me and couple of my friends will visit US and vote for Trump. You can't vote unless you're a citizen of the U.S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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