Politics First Contact

[Elerond]

3 hours ago, ShadySands said:

Plaid Cymru?

The Party of Wales in English . Welsh looks and sounds like a pseudo fantasy language.

[Raithe]

Increasingly Necessity - 15 point guide to surviving authoritarianism

[smjjames]

At raithe's link:

#7 and Laws in general, well, it's Congress that does the laws, not the President, and they haven't done laws that are any more authoritarian than the Republican party has been.

#4 It doesn't appear that the chaos is planned, as this one implies.

#6. What qualifies as a false 'superficial' scandal? Also, all of the 'scandal' has been coming from Trump, not Republicans (but he's in their party, so....)

12. Trump hasn't gone that far, yet...

13. About the only 'historical' figures he smears are Obama, and to a somewhat lesser extent Bush 43, everybody that he smears is in the 'present'. The only real historical revisionism has been his own, everything else has been 'I'm an idiot' type things.

Edited December 17, 2019 by smjjames

[ComradeYellow]

12 minutes ago, Raithe said:

Increasingly Necessity - 15 point guide to surviving authoritarianism

We got this!  Remember though this did not start with Trump, it started when the country embraced corporatism and neoliberalism stupidly and blindly 40+ years ago.  I consider Trump as sort of the end result.  Not to mention Obama and his false promises that he failed to deliver really helped accelerate it.  Whilst I'm not a Trotskyist, he was correct when he stated that fascism comes at the outset of a missed revolutionary opportunity.  It all sort of adds up after a while when the people simply comply with the superstructure and are convinced there's no other option.  

When you pry yourself away from the 2 party death trap it all starts to make more sense.

[Pidesco]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WardQNormal/status/1206280031552454656

 

Reagan, hero of the GOP. 

[Guard Dog]

Edit: Never mind. Too late at night for snark and no one is convincing anyone of anything anyway. 

Edited December 18, 2019 by Guard Dog

[HoonDing]

Wait - who was the last good Republican president

 

Eisenhower?

[Gromnir]

19 minutes ago, HoonDing said:

Wait - who was the last good Republican president

 

Eisenhower?

am acknowledging response to a hoon post is clear missing the point, but even so...

"good" is subjective. as we have stated previous, in many ways nixon were a good President. numerous nixon achievements were not only important in his day, but were historical relevant and arguable paradigm shifting. visit to china, creation o' the epa and, as hard as it may be to believe, he were the President who initiated affirmative action... which we derided when younger, but have come to guardedly appreciate as we approach our dotage. he were effective and popular, at least up until the oil crisis and market crash. 

'course vietnam, chile, watergate, etc.

"good"? tough for Gromnir to answer, but for current wh political advisor stephen miller it would be easy: calvin coolidge. sure, calvin coolidge were an animal lover and maintained a veritable small zoo o' "pets" at the wh, but were coolidge's embracing o' the new "science" o' eugenics and his championing o' draconian nativism which has stephen miller's approval, at least according to miller's email exchanges with breitbart folks.

good is subjective, relative and never w/o controversy when discussing a President. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I forgot who Miller was for a second, guess after a while all the alt-right goons working in politics start to look and sound the same.

[Malcador]

10 hours ago, Pidesco said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WardQNormal/status/1206280031552454656

 

Reagan, hero of the GOP. 

Sort of surprised Iran Contra didn't undo his Presidency, given how huge a scandal that was.

[Blarghagh]

10 hours ago, Pidesco said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/WardQNormal/status/1206280031552454656

 

Reagan, hero of the GOP. 

Also very noticeable in those graphs are the Dubya points.

[smjjames]

TBH, it would be more informative to see the past economic stuff from before Reagan simply because it'd be helpful to see the picture/trend from before Reagan.

[Guard Dog]

2 hours ago, HoonDing said:

Wait - who was the last good Republican president

 

Eisenhower?

Taft. Ike was OK. Like Gromnir said almost all of them have positives and negatives. Who was the last good Democrat? Truman? JFK? Or Jackson? Plenty of positives and negatives for all of them. 

I'll tell you one thing though. Wilson was the worst President in US history bar none. I know Polk, Buchannan, and Harding are usually singled out for that honor. I expect Trump will join their ranks someday. But none of them has damaged the nation and the world so much as Woodrow f-----g Wilson. God damn the day Teddy Roosevelt decided to run for a third term. But for that Taft would have been re-elected, WWI ends differently. WWII might not happen at all or at least is very different. Mexico likely develops much quicker.  And the beginning of the age of the "imperial presidency" in the US gets kicked down the road a ways. F--k Woodrow Wilson. 

[ComradeYellow]

2 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

I expect Trump will join their ranks someday. 

Ha!  Try telling his (largely) racist and misogynistic supporters that.

 

But then again many of them are probably the type of people whose blood pumps with pride when they see these: 

 

Come on Trumpees, you know you love it!

[Guard Dog]

Hey that was a great movie. Also you DO know the Democrats were the ones wearing gray and the Republicans were wearing blue right?

Edit: Midway, Tora Tora Tora, and Gettysburg are the most historically accurate war movies I have ever seen. If there is anything wrong with any of them it is a problems of omission rather than dramatic license. The only thing I really disliked about Gettysburg is they focused almost exclusively on Buford and Reynolds vs Heth on Day 1 and Longstreet and II Corps vs Han****. On Day 2 & 3. Ewell's failure to seize Culp's Hill on the 1st day was crucial and it was barely mentioned. Just one scene. On the second day Ewell & Pedeigre attacked Sloculm & Howard on Cemetary Ridge. The 11th & 12th Corps were under-strength and outnumbered by Ewell but their defense of the Union right flank was almost as epic as thr 2nd Maine on Little Round Top. It didn't make the movie at all.  

Edited December 18, 2019 by Guard Dog

[ComradeYellow]

22 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

Hey that was a great movie. Also you DO know the Democrats were the ones wearing gray and the Republicans were wearing blue right?

It was a great movie!  

And I hope you're being cheeky when you compare mid-1800's Republicans to 21st century Republicans.  And Democrats for that matter.  Democrats were conservative and reactionary back then and Republicans were progressive.  In modern times Republicans are conservative and reactionary whilst Democrats are centrist Russophobes.

There is literally no progressive party in power in the United States as I type this, just center and right.

[Raithe]

I would be very tempted to put this in the funny thread..but it's too damn scary.

[Raithe]

Slate - Trump on Impeachment : In 2008 interview, Trump praises Pelosi and wonders why she didn't impeach Buch because he lied

[ComradeYellow]

2 minutes ago, Raithe said:

Slate - Trump on Impeachment : In 2008 interview, Trump praises Pelosi and wonders why she didn't impeach Buch because he lied

Whilst I don't pay much attention to Trump's antics, the fact that him and his party are still calling Democrats "radical left" like it's the 1960's is a little disturbing.

[smjjames]

@Raithe Is it even possible to reimplant a pregnancy that's been deimplanted in the first place?

 

34 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:

It was a great movie!  

And I hope you're being cheeky when you compare mid-1800's Republicans to 21st century Republicans.  And Democrats for that matter.  Democrats were conservative and reactionary back then and Republicans were progressive.  In modern times Republicans are conservative and reactionary whilst Democrats are centrist Russophobes.

There is literally no progressive party in power in the United States as I type this, just center and right.

Pretty sure that was tongue-in-cheek, yes, considering it was blue for the Union anyway and there were northern Democrats too, so....

Also, the Green party would be considered 'progressive', no? And there are other left wing parties. There isn't really a truly left main party, that much is true.

[smjjames]

15 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:

Whilst I don't pay much attention to Trump's antics, the fact that him and his party are still calling Democrats "radical left" like it's the 1960's is a little disturbing.

Also stupid IMO. The only reason why they do that is because there are still consistuents for which the mere mention of 'socialist' and 'commie' triggers them, no matter how much the word is abused, which has essentially become a proxy for 'thing that I don't like and don't want to have a constructive conversation over', they've called things socialist that are obviously not socialist.

[Guard Dog]

1 hour ago, ComradeMaster said:

 In modern times Republicans are conservative and reactionary whilst Democrats are centrist Russophobes.

 

There is very little about the modern Republican party that is politically "conservative" outside of clinging to conservative social mores. 

There is actually nothing wrong with holding on to social values based on faith and religion. It is perfectly OK to think abortion and gay marriage and (insert thing here) is wrong. It's not OK, however, when you try to impose your ethics on someone else. Don't like gay marriage? Fine. Don't marry a gay person. Don't go to the wedding, don't send them a gift. But you don't get to tell someone else they can't because you don't like it. Same thing with abortion. I think it is barbaric myself and would never participate in one. I would discourage anyone who asked me from doing it. But I don't get to tell them they can't. My ethics are mine alone and govern only my actions. 

The Democrats and progressives are every bit as bad. They don't like firearms therefore you can't have them. They are offended by (insert thing here) therefore you can't say it, read it, watch it, do it, etc. 

Every evil act in the history of mankind begins when one group of people think they get to tell another group of people how they should be living. It's our inability to just leave each other alone, to live and let live, that causes all of the wars we fight. 

[Guard Dog]

Oh and by the way @ComradeMaster a pretty good bit of everything I write is tongue in cheek.  

[ComradeYellow]

21 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

There is very little about the modern Republican party that is politically "conservative" outside of clinging to conservative social mores.

There is actually nothing wrong with holding on to social values based on faith and religion. It is perfectly OK to think abortion and gay marriage and (insert thing here) is wrong. It's not OK, however, when you try to impose your ethics on someone else. Don't like gay marriage? Fine. Don't marry a gay person. Don't go to the wedding, don't send them a gift. But you don't get to tell someone else they can't because you don't like it. Same thing with abortion. I think it is barbaric myself and would never participate in one. I would discourage anyone who asked me from doing it. But I don't get to tell them they can't. My ethics are mine alone and govern only my actions. 

The Democrats and progressives are every bit as bad. They don't like firearms therefore you can't have them. They are offended by (insert thing here) therefore you can't say it, read it, watch it, do it, etc. 

Every evil act in the history of mankind begins when one group of people think they get to tell another group of people how they should be living. It's our inability to just leave each other alone, to live and let live, that causes all of the wars we fight. 

Being anti-Marxist and clinging to age-old bourgeoise and petty bourgeoise ethics (Christian family values, homophobia, etc etc) is the definition of conservative and reactionary, and there's still a chunk of Republicans who think that way.  If they don't fall into that (latter) category yet still call themselves "Republican"  they're more than likely fascists (People who aren't rigidly into age old bourgeoise traditions but nonetheless are very anti-Marxist and very pro imperialist and expansionist).

My personal view on gun control is that I'm more than willing to give up my guns but only if the government gives up there's first.  Gun control is a double edged sword.

And yes, we all (hopefully) know that totalitarian dictatorships are bad and Democracy should win out the day.  If one party makes you feels like it's trampling on your individual rights, vote differently!  But respect the vote.  I went green because corporate rule is not Democracy, and both parties are very pro corporate and aren't doing anything to help the little guy, or the planet for that matter!

Edited December 19, 2019 by ComradeMaster

[Volourn]

All parties trample on individual rights. All of them. The green party is no different.  Voting only helps determine whose rights and freedoms gets trampled on more. FYI, The planet doesn't need help. It isn't in any danger. Climate change cannot hurt the planet (and yes I believe CC exists).  The arrogance of humans to think because the planet is getting colder or warmer that somehow the planet is in danger. LMAO

 

P.S. These impeachment proceedings are a joke. Both parties don't care about the truth, facts, justice, or anything. It is all about winning. Funny how Dems are mad that Repubs won't let them call more witnesses when the Dems had no problem disallowing potential Repub witnesses when they had power. What a joke this is. How much did this non thing cost that could have been used to actually HELP Amerikans? LMAO

 

But, who am I to judge? Here, in my country, we relected a man who wears black face, assaults women, mocks other cultures, insults half the country, calls his opponents Nazis when he is the one who banishes anyone who disagrees with them to the boonies. LMAO  x2