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Let's say I'm trying to play it straight and want to spawn the Principi vengeance ship early for that sweet sweet armor - what are some of the good ways to do it?  Murder-hoboing my way through Fort Deadlight left me with...tier 1 positive reputation, so I'm a bit unsure who they even care about now.

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During Task "Sealed Fate" fight Principi ambushers.

In Dunnage, The King's Coffin, steal where, what seems to be, sex workers are.

During the Quest "The Shipwright's Plight" pick Principi reputation loss option during dialogue with alley thugs.

and indeed killing Mad Morena.

 

the above, sinking perhaps a couple of other Principi captains though not sure it mattered, got to me -3 and spawned Arteiro the Avenger. Also had one bar blue with them before it went negative. There are perhaps more ways to lose rep with them so it should not be a problem unless the rep is high already. 

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Go to the Undercroft and murder everyone but Mad Morena.  That and/or kill Talfor.

Each time I try this method Mad Morena becomes hostile and I have to kill her too - maybe if you do it after you finish her quest it's ok, but then you have to gain reputation with the principi first.

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Let's say I'm trying to play it straight and want to spawn the Principi vengeance ship early for that sweet sweet armor

You could also try the "Vindictive Faction Ship Battles" mod - that spawns them from the very start.

Note: they switch from neutral to hostile once you reach level 13, unless you have the respective flag.

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Go to the Undercroft and murder everyone but Mad Morena. That and/or kill Talfor.

Each time I try this method Mad Morena becomes hostile and I have to kill her too - maybe if you do it after you finish her quest it's ok, but then you have to gain reputation with the principi first.

Dont do any dunnage quests first, some of those increase rep.

 

Steal the crates she want first in the first map when you enter neketa. Steal the other part of the horn thing in the palacr map. in the gullet get the restoring food quest from the blind guy along with all the other quests but dont complete any. I head down the lift and kill the big grub.

 

When you get to undercroft, kill everyone in that map first outside her room, then stealth in w one guy next to mad morena and pause. Unstealth, click to talk to her, then unpause. You will get the quest to steal the crates and automatically complete. Then you can kill her and everyone else in that room. That should get your rep down.

 

Then go back and finish all the quests in gullet after you get the armor

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Following up for anyone else interested - the point about stealing in Dunnage made all the difference.  There are 5 spots you can steal in Dunnage to lose Principi reputation - 3 in the King's Coffin near the prostitutes, 1 on top of the Balefire Beacon, and one at the Radiant Court.  You can also lose reputation twice from threatening Cotta, and lose reputation for every one of Talfor's thugs you kill.

Between all of those you can pick up 14 -reputations with the Principi on PotD (more thugs spawn); -13 are needed to drive your negative reputation to the minimum and spawn the Terror of the Deadfire.  No need to wipe out the Undercroft, and you can complete the rest of the Principi quests any way you like (and repair your reputation to mixed).

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Following up for anyone else interested - the point about stealing in Dunnage made all the difference.  There are 5 spots you can steal in Dunnage to lose Principi reputation - 3 in the King's Coffin near the prostitutes, 1 on top of the Balefire Beacon, and one at the Radiant Court.  You can also lose reputation twice from threatening Cotta, and lose reputation for every one of Talfor's thugs you kill.

 

Between all of those you can pick up 14 -reputations with the Principi on PotD (more thugs spawn); -13 are needed to drive your negative reputation to the minimum and spawn the Terror of the Deadfire.  No need to wipe out the Undercroft, and you can complete the rest of the Principi quests any way you like (and repair your reputation to mixed).

On top of the Balefire Beacon I think you can also kill the (respawning?) guards with no consequences for more easy reputation loss.

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