Gromnir

funny, but we could say the same thing 'bout what you is doing. how on earth can folks even try to argue that the tsl ending were not cinematic? and as for fable... well, we blame folks for not clarifying what they mean... 'cause it sure weren't just text? HA! Good Fun!

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/575/575798p1.html "Chris Avellone: As far as the story goes, I think maybe we were trying too hard for an Empire Strikes Back feel especially in terms of the revelations toward the end game and the resolutions - we just wanted the player to feel like there was something more going on, something greater, and it may not have seemed to tie together as well as it should. We could have made more of an effort to keep the game more self-contained, but the more that option was discussed toward the end, the less appealing it seemed - we wanted more of a sense that the saga would continue, that what was happening was only symptomatic of something occurring on an even greater scale. I think this is something that sat well with some gamers, but not others." take it as you will. HA! Good Fun!

depends on who you mean by "they." we got no idea what lucas intentions for kotor were, but we cannot believe that they had no notions of kotor as a possible series. publishers love a series. sequels and expansions is almost like free money for a publisher. however, from what we know of bioware, they NEVER had any serious thoughts 'bout doing more than one kotor. they made real clear, on and off the boards, that they (bioware) wanted nothing to do with licensed properties following completion of hotu and kotor. HA! Good Fun!

am not knowing much eu stuff... and neither do we wish to. the notion of reliable canon based on something like 70 fiction novels and bunches of comic books and movies written by authors working independently of each other is... fanciful. lucas is obviously concerned 'bout consistency, but we bet that you can look at almost every work (including the movies,) and find stuff that not seem to fit with s'posed canon of the star wars universe. if kotor and kotor2 were good 'nuff for lucas (in terms of its agreement with accepted star wars canon,) then it is good 'nuff for Gromnir. 'course, as Gromnir has already stated that we not give a damn 'bout star wars canon, it ain't like there were a difficult standard to be met in our eyes. HA! Good Fun!

"And no, in case this comes up, I don't believe ESB had a cliffhanger ending." it is too bad then that Empire is what obsidian were shooting for with the kotor2 ending. HA! Good Fun!

people has some strange notions of what is and is not cinematic... 'especially if their other option is "text." *shakes head sadly* sounds like fable ending were as we predicted... you get narration and storybook movie... and clearly tsl had a cinematic ending... whether you found it fulfilling or not is another issue entirely. HA! Good Fun!

am thinking that such were the point. the jedi ain't so nice and cuddly in this game. they concealed truths from you and they were using you much as did kreia... but they had good intentions? am honestly surprised that obsidian were able to get lucas ok on some of thir kotor2 stuff... or maybe the lucas guys didn't really get what obsidian were doing. *shrug* obsidian execution might have been clumsy, but, for the most part, we liked what they were trying to do with the story. HA! Good Fun!

a female pc can't battle the handmaiden on the ebon hawk... 'cause the handmaiden doesn't come along as a joinable npc. "a female can get it in the Telos academy talk to the first Sister you see keep talking till you can ask to challenge her. You fight her three times, then two sisters then all 5. I haven't gone to all five yet but it should give a female PC the precognation skill that you normally got from the handmaiden as a male PC " so, we is a bit confused. we thought you were saying that a female pc could get battle precognition. were that just an assumption on your part? HA! Good Fun!

Actually, if memory serves me correctly, both ended the same way . I could be wrong, through . But it was defintively a good way of finishing it :D. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> is another movie/game we never saw to conclsion. the second conan movie just kinda stank. we knows it were 'posed to be campy, but it just didn't work for us. oh well. HA! Good Fun!

beat all 5 and get 750 exp. again, do you recall at what point you got battle precognition? shows up as a power on your power list. HA! Good Fun!

the first movie... of course. ends with conan sitting on throne as mako does some narration... text scrolling. is good stuff. HA! Good Fun!

awkward... but not a rush job. kreia hated the force and force users... is reason she found you... 'cause you is an ambulatory gaping wound in the force. kreia sees all force users as slaves to the force... and she hates the quasi-sentient force and its "desire" for balance and so she uses you to destroy all the remaining force users. keep in mind that the jedi masters, while being deceitful bastards who use you throughout the entire game, is possibly right 'bout you... at least kreia believes that they is right 'bout the danger you pose to the force. that is exactly why she makes you powerful 'nuff to destroy all such force slaves... including herself. the jedi masters HAD to die... just as did scion and nihilus. atris is the one hole for us... am not seeing how she could survive... doesn't fit. with all of kreai's careful planning, we can't see how she would leave such an obvious loose end. *shrug* HA! Good Fun!

didn't work. fought all the handmaidens with a female character and we not got battle precognition. is there a dialogue AFTER the fight with all five that maybe gives battle precognition? do you recall when exactly you were awarded battle precognition? am curious. HA! Good Fun! p.s. we warned a female gamer 'bout battle precognition being male only... so if there is a way for females to get it, we would like to know so that we can pass along info to our friend... would hate to think we gave her bad advice.

cliffhangers is ok... but the questions posed by such an ending should make the player wonder what will happen next as 'posed to making us ponder, what the hell just happened? use Empire Strikes Back as an example of cliffhanger... you know exactly what has happened to luke and leia and han and the rebellion, but you not know what the future has in store for them. is the way such things can and should be done in a computer game or movie where possible sequel may be years away. HA! Good Fun!

Never played Fable either, but Morrowind was... odd. After beating the main baddy, you just... kept going. No cinematic ending, no credits, nothing. As I said, no ending to speak of. Saying it was disappointing is an understatement. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> okie dokie... kinda feel vindicated in our choice not to finish morrowind. as we recall from fable, they had storyboard cutscenes for most major plot points. would be surprised if they hadn't done so for ending. btw, did anybody see "Conan?" the epilogue stuff there were handled predominantly with text and narration... and personally, we thought it were one of the best such sequences of any fantasy movie we ever seen. HA! Good Fun!

never finished either... but we find hard to believe that there was no cinematic. just 'cause there is text included not mean that there weren't cinematic. would be very surprised if end battle takes place and suddenley screen goes black with only rolling text followed by credits. HA! Good Fun!

the excuses some of you folks come up with is just plain creepy... is almost like listening to cultists. whether you like the game or not, multiple powers and feats in kotor2 is BROKEN. now that you know that force aura/armour line of powers not work, will you choose that power on subsequent play throughs? no? why not? 'cause it is broken? if you spent three power choices on force aura then you spent possibly three levels of character generation choosing useless powers. ... is not good to have useless powers and feats in a rpg where character development is a major selling point... and those of you making excuses for the obvious qa blunders of lucas/obsidian deserve the same consideration we typically give to vacuous cultist zombies. HA! Good Fun!

name a recent crpg that did not have a cinematic ending. go ahead, we dare you. now, if you is talking 'bout all the kotor2 epilogue variations... well, that is not the same thing, is it? HA! Good Fun!

use kex. HA! Good Fun!

Yeah, poor old Kex. He fought pretty well in the Battle Circle considering he's a geezer. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> this is gonna get us in trouble, but what the hell... is all in good fun, right? kex were 'posed to be young, but other than the voice, she seemed to be very female. just assumed that it were the armour's voice synthesizer... that made deeper and more masculine. heck, she took an instant and unreasoning dislike to our character, and even after a friendly combat she refused to give up the grudge. is very female. besides which, kex sounds like a girl's name to us. no doubt the unflattering mandallorean uni-sex armour is throwing folks off... HA! Good Fun!

... and here we thought kex were a female. seemed female to us. HA! Good Fun!

"Not necessarily. " sorry, but yeah, it is necessarily a bad argument. the fact that a thing is bad or poor has no tendency to prove that an alternative would be better. sorry, but that is just basic logic. "Therefore to assume a cinematic sequence would automatically be worse is bad reasoning Gromnir" Gromnir made no such claim. *shrug* agree 'bout the "shame on you doomy," part. HA! Good Fun!

"Ah...but are we really so certain? Sure, maybe not "inherently better", but if the alternative proves to be grossly less effective (as was the case in TSL), is is not better?" huh? is bad reasoning there... and you know it. if the text version obsidian used in kotor2 were bad it not have any tendency to prove that cinematic sequences would be better. and yeah... hades is making an unequivocal blanket statement. he does such things... from time to time. HA! Good Fun!

"Sometimes cinematics convey emotional immersion better than words, sometimes they don't. That's why many times 'the book' is better than 'the film', or vise versa." and so ends the debate that there is something inherently better 'bout the movie sequences. we ain't saying that obsidian did a good job... but hades blanket statement is clearly nutters... especialy in light of fact that he not even play the game. HA! Good Fun!

"Because in good literature you are shown the action and not told." you not get the insanity of this continued argument? HA! Good Fun!