metadigital

You've been watching too many repeats of Dynasty. :D

They are the Salmon Sisters -- Sith Assassin Fish.

Okay, I am having trouble with one concept. You seek to understand yourself better by analysing your interpretations of the real world ... (i.e. Empiricism) which is scientific method, yet you eschew science as unreliable for being a type of Inductive Logic, discussed by David Hume: Hume highlighted the fact that our everyday reasoning depends on patterns of repeated experience rather than deductively valid arguments. For example we believe that bread will nourish us because it has in the past, but it is at least conceivable that bread in the future will poison us. Someone who insisted on sound deductive justifications for everything would starve to death, said Hume. So you are a sort of progressive Inductive Reasoner, then, and not a strict conservative?

They won't? Why not? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Probably because it would cost money. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Money coming out from LA or Obsidian pocket? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good question. Presumably LA don't want to fund it and Obsidian don't either. But this is speculation because I haven't heard any confirmation beyond the Ass. Prod. saying that "We asked LA if we could make a content patch and they said 'No'."

There are at least 2 other topics: Here is one: An earlier thread And read the Restoration thread. (Should still be on the first page.)

Maybe one of the deciding factors for the rushed end was that Obsidian hadn't completed the writing ... so it wasn't submitted to LA, and conswquently they haven't worked out the "canon".

They won't? Why not? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Probably because it would cost money.

First of all, that's not a video game. That's a movie. We can't make Leia into a guy either, but nobody's going to protest, because that's a set story--one person's vision, not an RPG, which is the player's vision. That you would even compare the two mediums says nothing good about your ability to apply common sense to this situation. Second, did you ever actually SEE what's under those robes? And don't you think Anakin is rather androgynous anyway? Metadigital's scenario is all too credible! A video game in the Star Wars universe. And everything in SW is set. According to Lucas, who has the real word over everyone here. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It is not necessary to give Revan/Exile an alignment or gender in order to explain the stories of both games. Keeping the genders and alignments ambiguous would add some intrigue and interest to their stories, inviting the audience to go and find out for themselves. And it's not like history doesn't have any mysterious people in it. There are some people who dispute that Socrates was a real person! (All we know about Socrates was written by his students, Plato and Xenaphon, so the argument is that Socrates was a rhetorical device to prevent these two from being incarcerated for heretical views.) There is also a lot of dispute about the gender of Michelangelo; some say he was homosexual, others asexual, still others claim heterosexual. (Not exactly like male/female, but this is only five hundred years ago -- Revan and Exile were 4000 years before the Galactic History was written, and there were few witnesses to their exploits.) And your out-of-context quote of GL (was he talking specifically about the role-playing variations of KotOR, or are you misquoting his comments on the films?). So, it doesn't have to be set, if LucasArts are clever. (And yes, there are a number of interpretations to that last sentence, and I mean them all.)

Ahhhh. Thankyou. I knew I'd seen him somewhere. Ah, Tron. Now that was a breakthrough! I was watching a movie today: Earth versus the Flying Saucers, and I have to say, apart from the odd Mystery Science Theatre 3000 dialogue moment ("It's made of solid electricity") the special effects for brilliant (for 1956). I think the black and white film made a lot of difference to the splicing; I haven't seen that done quite so well until Star Wars in 1977 (which, of course was colour). :cool:

Have you not bothered to search for any of the existing patch threads in this forum? If you had, and they aren't hard to find, you would know that they isn't going to be any content added by the patches. There is an unofficial team in the KotOR2 playing community who are putting together a mod that will add some of the content about which you speak. They are working in their own time, using their own resources and receiving nothing but praise from the rest of the community. So, No, there won't be any new content with any of the Obsidian patches, because LucasArts has denied permission to do so.

To illustrate, let me quote from Bioware's new Dragon Age FAQ: 1.03: What is the storyline of Dragon Age? (Back to Top) For the first time, you choose how your character

You proceed from a false premise. It is not necessary to have Revan's gender set in order for Revan to appear again (look at K2, even though they managed to leave a lot of buggy references to "he" in the she path). I've said it before and I'll say it again: it just takes a little (okay, a lot) more effort to write a cohesive, cogent, immersive and exciting story that involves all the different threads woven into it. It doesn't matter if the nemesis, for example, is a male or female. Just write for both. Simple plan, a little complex to implement. Writers feel like they've accomplished something, players feel like they have experienced something and publishes/developers feel like they've earned something. All go on to successful, fullfilling lives and the world is a better place. The end. :cool:

Well said. I don't know why, but I have been confusing the two new games: Jade Empire and Dragon Age. Dragon Age ... hmm, not much chance of not being about elves, dwarves and orcs, then. Second point: Yes, having mutliple previous story endings makes for a more complex plot. SO WHAT? Why are they paying a (team of) writer(s) to do, practice their grammar? Honestly, there are only a few permutations that they have to worry about: LS/DS and male/female and the effect on companions and possibly love interests. And quite often a lot of these can be interchanged. It's not rocket science. It's their job.

Wynne, I like your thinking. :cool:

Welcome back! What is your "romantic" view? I am intrigued ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I read an interesting review in the Sunday Times, yesterday, about the reprinting of Harry G. Frankfurt's "On Bull-nautghywordforcrap". Frankfurt is a Philosophy Professor emeritus from Yale, where he wrote the book as a treatise on the existence of a small trend that has since become endemic in our culture. Celebrity creation, promotion, publicity, advertising imagery (think cigarettes), etc. The definition he uses is that, unlike outright lying or telling the truth -- which both share a respect for the truth in trying to conceal it or reveal it -- the BSer is not connected with, or concerned with, the truth. The BSer may not deceive us, or even intend to do so, either about the facts or what she thinks the facts to be. What she does attempt to deceive us about is her enterprise. Her only defining characteristic is that she is misrepresenting what she is up to. (He was thinking about adding an appendix on spin to the reprint, but couldn't agree on a suitable definition.) What is relevant to our discussion is Frankfurt's attack on the post-modern philosophers. Postmodernists believe objective truth about the world was unattainable; all that remained was the pursuit of the truth about oneself, the project of sincerity. But it is much, much harder to establish the truth about onesself than about the world. To quote Frankfurt: "As conscious beings, we exist only in response to other things, and we cannot know ourselves at all without knowing them ... Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantial -- notoriously less stable and less inherent than the natures of other things. And insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is [bS]." Which is kind of what we have been dancing around. Your search for enlightenment is doomed if you choose to ignore your senses; because the human mind is nothing if not a huge filter of experience, re-filtering and re-focusing the empirical into some sort of meaningful subjective lore. In effect we can see the workings of the mind by the way it sees the world. (Sort of like how what someone writes tells us more about them then the subject on which they are writing.) So here I am saving you from a bleak existence doomed to never know your own mind or the true nature of being. No need to thank me. My feelings of smug altruism are all that I need. "

Azarkon: you have failed to consider the additional scenario that some males (e.g. me) enjoy playing female PCs. This makes the schism between "male-oriented" (FPS, etc) and "female-oriented" / gender-neutral games (RPG, sims, etc) less pronounced. (It may exacerbate the body-dysmorphism diseases of the virtual and real worlds, however.) Reminds me that I read about a charity that had a MMOG where you were randomly generated a character somewhere in their Earth-simulcrum world, so that you really end up re-rolling life. Highest percentage would see you in the developing world, as a child-labourer or a statusless female whose life consists of labouring until a premature death from some disease that can be cured in the developed world. (I read about it in a recent gamer magazine, but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment.) Wynne: Obi-Wan Kenobi does reveal that Darth Vader is more machine than man. Perhaps the surgeon droids thought better of cybernetic testes ... after all he wouldn't need them for anything! "

Zoisite: thanks. Zerion: and agin. Vashanti: who is that? I gots to know.

Why do you have flying Jedis?

I don't know about the developers, but it is clear to me how organised the project is; the update is beautiful in its simplicity and efficacy. Well done! I had a small question: when you say that after the 60% of work completed so far on the second level (I assume droid planet) and the rest needs to be scripted, how will this be done? Obviously you can't add any dialogue, so I guess you are just adding some hostile NPCs to the map for the PC to kill. Is that correct? (I'm just curious.) (Geez, and here I was thinking you guys were working from Los Angeles ... if I had known you had all flown out to the island of Fagatogo in American Samoa then I would have volunteered, too.) :D

I think we have some McBain fans in the audience .... "Oh Maria, my powerful heart is breaking!..."

Ah, very interesting. Thanks! I didn't know that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, but I did like the cartoon, as well. Saturday morning, early 1980s. :D

I'm your Huckleberry. (After a fire/plasma/molten attack) "Let off some steam" (To the crew back on the Hawk after pushing an opponent to their death down one of those convenient gaps; alternative dialogue for Darth Vader when updating the Emperor after the end of ESB) "I let him go." "

Interesting. I thought the concept of Kreia -- was a good idea. I agree the execution of just about every theme, leit-motif, character sketch and plot device was botched. This rendering a very good game foundation into a series of fight scenes, with a misguidedly- and poorly-overpowered PC, interspersed between NPCs mumbling philoso-babble in order to guide the oilslick-deep-plot to its next critical point. I did think some of the battles were very good, especially the second trip to Dxun and Onderon. (There we go, I started and ended with a positive point!)

Live Long and Prosper ... er, I mean: Die quick and painfully! :cool:

Interestingly, Schmoo first appeared in 1948 ... (no, I'm not that old!) and the character is meant to be a force of total goodness and love (sound familiar?). The intrinsic paradox is that the Schmoon (singular Schmoo, plural Schmoon) actually cause the human society -- that they wish to help -- to break down. People went nuts for Scmoo paraphenalia (a bit like SW )