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LS mastery often involves being an idiot/wussie. DS mastery often involves being a stupid thug. So, I don't bother with that mostly, and just try to stay consequent with the RPing.

You can't expect to be taken seriously when you compare it to Blade or Titan A.E.. Fifth Element wasn't so bad, but it still doesn't compare to the SW feel. Come on, Planet "Bob"? Oh, and I remember hearing you say "KotOR 2 will suck because this and that..." ) Your hater credibility < 0.

Again, it's all about the semantics. Killing 200,000 people on a single stroke is undoubtedly a morally contemptible act. I'm not going to argue if it was necessary to do so, or if in the end it saved more lives than it took, that's beside the point. But since the intent of that action was not to extend fear but to force surrender by means of a show of force, it's not terrorism.

Well, it might not be a bug, but it's definitely more proof of the state of the game. If you actually can get close enough to them, you will see the extremely low quality of those characters. It's not only the ultra lo-res of the textures, but the simplicity of the models too. Those models have no eyes, teeth, or even mouth to speak of. I'm ok with them not being dressed in some weird way since it's an academy after all, but man, at least give them eyes.

Well, at least his laughter isn't Malak's. "

Depends on which definiton you choose. I would say yes. It created fear and awe, it did not specifically target military structure, it killed indiscriminately. Still, the goal was not to create a permanent state of terror, but to demonstrate the power of a new weapon against which there was no defense. Therefore, it was not a terrorist attack, despite all the moral labels you want to apply.

No, no, no - everyone knows XWA > XvT. Then "everyone" is obviously wrong. "

No. That's a leftover from NWN.

Indeed we have. And the results were usually very bad. I don't think I'm wording this very well. Let's see. You can tell whatever you wish to the soldiers, if that will improve their morale or make them obey orders more willingly. You can only do that however if you are going to do something that could be considered revenge, for other reasons than revenge itself. Any military action whose only objective is revenge is fundamentally flawed. Yes, but that's the politician's job. In fact coups are bound to happen when the military takes too much interest in politics, not the other way around. That's why military officials should have no political authority or influence whatsoever. I never said the world was perfect.

For me it's both, but I tend to be more of a SW fanboy than a RPG maniac. While there's seldom a SW game that I haven't played and liked, there were a lot of RPGs that I started but quickly got bored with.

In fact droidekas are a joke. For some reason, their shielding seems to be much weaker at the rear. All you have to do is have it focus its attention on a squadmate (one that is preferrably behind some cover) and then circle it to get behind. Don't even bother shooting, just punch it to death. Which raises another question. How the hell is a punch more damaging than a blaster shot?

No. Armies are not democracies. In war there is no time to waste convincing soldiers. And while war responds to politics, politicians shouldn't be allowed to direct war, the same way military commanders shouldn't be allowed to practice politics. Hence, the army shouldn't be concerned with "revenge", because revenge at such a scale is a political act.

That is precisely the point. The cat needs to be observed to be once again under our concept of reality (that is, dead or alive). However, since the cat is in the box, it's safe to assume that it's still under our reality. That is a logical reasoning, which may or may not be suitable for this situation. But anyway, that would only prove that logic isn't necessarily a constant of reality, which makes even more room for a God to exist outside logic, but within reality. My bad. No. You are assuming that the logic of your reasoning is universally true. While the logic itself isn't flawed, there is no guarantee that it's enough to explain reality itself, or that reality ultimately responds to logic. Which takes us to the concept of reality once again. While our concept of reality might be flawed since it appears it doesn't necessarily obey to logic, it's just the concept that isn't ultimate, not reality itself.

Heh. It all comes down to semantics, I guess. If you need to justify a military action as revenge, then it was probably not necessary to begin with. And an act that could be considered a vengeful atrocity but was totally necessary to achieve victory is not revenge, it's strategy. The bottom line is, a military commander shouldn't be more concerned with revenge than he should be with politics.

Poetic license.

Not really. There was this little neat experiment in which a cat was put inside a closed box. There was some deadly trap or poison that would kill the cat depending only on a certain isotope's possible disintegration. According to theory, at certain point, the isotope would have disintegrated and it wouldn't. Thus, the cat would be simultaneously alive and dead in that scenario, the only deciding factor would be opening the box. That is an instance of something seemingly impossible and obviously illogical happening within our very reality. If it's possible for a particle, why should it be impossible for God? And, at any rate, what makes you think that God would exist inside reality? Our not understanding reality doesn't mean it's not "true". The key word here being "perceive". If you mean measure, or calculate, then by all means. But if you mean "exist in", it's pretty arrogant to think that what we know so far is set in stone and true.

A paradox which is only such if you admit that God is subject to worldy proportions, limitations, notions, etc. But you could have a God that could fulfill both premises simultaneously. Why? How? Simple, he is God. If such mundane judgements could be used to solve metaphysical questions, we would be Masters of the Universe long ago.

In war, revenge is irrelevant.

Uh? Can you prove that a God can't exist? I think a lot of people would be very interested in that. On second thought, don't bother. If philosophers throughout History have failed, you will understand I don't have much faith in your chances to succeed at that task.

No, there isn't.

I know that. But the answer given by the databank or Lucas himself, while being law, would still be inconsistent with reality. If God himself came down and said, "I created the Universe, and I'm telling you, all that stuff about gravity is nothing but BS", he would be technically right, since he created the freaking thing and if he doesn't know, no one does. But it would be inconsistent with reality. That's all I say. Is the Leviathan a Republic ship? Yes. Is the Leviathan a rakatan design? Yes. Both are true, and both exclude each other. In the real world such a thing would not be possible, because the real world's laws are not established by writers. That's why the scientific method and fiction are incompatible. You are right on something, though. Discussing this is a waste of time, and hence, I'm quitting now.

The opposite being true as well. The Sith could have modified the Leviathan ships to work without being Force-powered if they ever were. That works for the weird computer terminals too. But again, this is speculation. Hence, it's worthless as proof.

Actually no. As I said, the databank for example state that it is a republic ship. You can't possibly debate that (it would mean that you're saying that the databank *doesn't* say it's a republic ship, a statement that is easy to check). The game itself have some hints that indicate that it's a republic ship (dialogue, mostly) and some that indicate that it's a Star Forge ship (the design). Both are disputable in various ways, thus we fall back on the only indisputable source, which in this case is the databank which states that it is a republic ship. Hence, the burden of proof lies on whoever claims that it's a Star Forge ship, and unless that person manages to discredit any hints towards a republic ship and any alternative explanation to the "proof" that he or she presents that it is a Star Forge ship, then the only reliable source will remain the databank, which in turn means that we still assume that it is, in fact, a republic ship. It may not be the actual truth, but it is the accepted truth. You may disagree with it (as you have) and try to find other explanations (as you have), but until you've managed to do what I said above, it will remain the accepted truth, not a mere theory. And that, is the scientific method. Feel free to look it up. Well, in fact what you are doing is nothing like the scientific method, but whatever. The scientific method first stablishes a theory. Then it compares the theory to the observed phenomenon, and if the theory can explain the phenomenon in a satisfactory manner, the theory becomes law. In this case, the theory contradicts the observed. Not to mention that trying to apply the scientific method to something ruled only by the writer's whim is nothing but a waste of time. Let's see. Whoever wrote the stuff in the databank has probably not played the game. All the info on the databank is made up of resumes, design notes, and perhaps, the game script. Not only that, the databank is aimed at people who hasn't actually played the game, because if you had, you wouldn't be reading it in the first place. I am not debating that originally they meant to make the Leviathan a Republic warship. In fact, Carth's dialogues hint that possibility. But there are too many ways to interpret Carth's dialogues to take them as proof. And for whatever reasons, the Leviathan turned out to be a rakatan vessel. It might just have been something as simple as laziness, or time constraints. It's obvious that whoever wrote Carth's dialogues wasn't responsible for CGI cutscenes. Now, all the proof I have seen supporting that the Leviathan is a Republic vessel is nothing but a lot of wild speculation, and interpretation of conversations. On the other hand, it is clearly stated that Malak's fleet is largely composed of alien vessels. In the cutscenes you see only one kind of ship. It is only logical to assume that those vessels are the alien ships they are making reference to. That is consistent too with the fact that the Republic fleet doesn't have a single one of those "Leviathan" ships. In fact, it is consistent with everything, except Carth's dialogues, and that only if you interpret them in a certain way.

You could open a new thread and post the URL. That'd be one of the most useful threads we've seen around here in a long time.