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I'm not too sure about that and these are really heavy speculations. I think the bound is not fake and is present at least until the enclave judgment. I'm inclined to think that actually is present until the Exile kills Kreia (or Kreia kills him). One of the reasons why the Exile have to kill kreia can be that is necessary to cut this bound. Kreia acted as a guide during all the enlightment path, and the bound was probably the main instrument she used to guide him, now is time for the exile to walk with his legs. Another (and i think quite sure reason) why they have to fight is that Malachor was another unresolved thing for the exile, this is presented as a sort of fight against the exile himself and malachor, probably is the final step to make the exile accept what he have done, to give him consciousness of hos choice and, if we put it the link theory, a chance to prove that he have the strenght to make again that decision. note that if the first time probably the Exile choice was more due to instinct and a sort of uncounscious action, this time the exile have to counsiosly recide his bound. The third reason can be that Kreia was an echo herself, she need to stop all the echoes or the galaxy will be destroyed so she need to stop herself. The other way she could have done that is probably reciding her bound with the force, but we know that she is not enought strong to consciously do that. also note the fact she is unable to cut her bound can be itself a motivation why in the end she have to face the exile. We don't know if Kreia knows that Bastilla is still alive, maybe she tought she was dead, but anyway it doesn't really seem that the will of kreia was to exterminate the jedi, in dantooine academy she tells that was not strictly necessary to kill them. Also when she speak about the destruction of the force it seem that she want to "destroy" it not using the exile as a weapon but as an example to others, her "war" is a "war" of conversion not of strictly destruction, so maybe is not necessary to kill Bastila as seem to be not necessary to kill Exile's apprentices. Anyway Bastilla is not the last jedi, there are all the Exile apprentices, and at least Visas if the exile have not trained anyone, or even Revan. about the jedi master... i have not found it, and don't think is it possible. They force you (or Kreia) to kill them, because they can't accept what the exile is.

No is not exact, the Exile chose to cut his bound to the force, is very different that what happened to Nihilus and other echoes Nihilus and the other can't chose to leave the force, was a thing that they had to suffer regardless of their will... they "need" the force, they "need" that power and here that they are forced to drain the ones near them to mantain it. Darth Traya tells you that she can't recide her bound, "ref: Darth Traya answers - Malachor V, Trayus academy" as, in a similar way, the jedi council was not able to accept the Exile for the fear to lose their connection for the force. "ref: Council judge the exile - Dantooine, jedi academy" the Exile is different from them due to his choice, he don't need the force anymore. Traya tells to him that was a miskate to make him feel the force again "ref: Darth Traya answers - Malachor V, Trayus academy" the Exile is no more dependant to the force, while all the other echoes will die if not sustained by it. (nihilus need it to draw his power, but also to feed his hunger, whitout it Nihilus will comsume himself) "ref: Kreia speak about Visas master nature - Exile questions to Kreia" and Sion will simply die with his body shattered, is actually what happens when you confront him at Trayus academy.

aaaa and as said above i strongly disagree with the "real sith" theory, Kreia mention them when she speak about Revan, the real sith menace is the Revan path, when the exile ask her what she have done if she had the opportunity to help Revan she tells that maybe she had helped him if Revan asked her, but there it end, is not her path, nor her goal. she explain very well what are the goals in 2 moments in the end at Tryanus academy and at dantooine enclave, if the Exile kill the enclave.

In a dialogue at the enclave is Kreia herself tells you that you teached to Nihilus and other behings to drain the force... all these sith lords are just echoes of the original hole, are echoes of the Exile himself. "ref: Kreia explanations after council death - dantooine, the enclave" What is important in the exile is not that he wield power, but is the fact that he recided his bound and still lived, he chose to leave the force that sustain and control jedis and generally all living creatures (to a degree) and to become a complete man, no more subject to it, able to shape his destiny and to fight, see and live with his own forces. i think we can see that expecially at the enclave, where the jedis are judging the Exile, they fear him, they say he is blind, incomplete, deaf and Kreia tell to the Exile and to us that he finally was able to see, to hear and to become a full man. "ref: council judge the exile - dantooine, the enclave" the Exile is the truth, is a man not deceived by the force "ref: Kreia judge the council - dantooine, the enclave" "ref: darth Traya last words - Malachor V, Trayus academy" they are not ready to live whitout the force, they say that they will become as the exile (so "resistant" to the force) and they can't allow it "ref: council judge the exile - dantooine, the enclave" Kreia don't want another Nihilus, The teching of the miraluka's master should not be allowed to continue, she say to the exile (ehm something like that) at some point. "ref: Kreia speak about Visas master nature - Exile questions to Kreia" He, and supposely other sith lords are an echoes that they will consume the galaxy and have to be stopped. "ref: Kreia speak about Visas master nature - Exile questions to Kreia" "ref: Kreia explanations after council death - dantooine, the enclave" she doesn't want to create a sort of weapon under her control, she tells to the Exile that he have to kill her or she will break him "ref: darth Traya's challenge - Malachor V, Trayus academy" I think that what makes this game great is the thing that it subvert the usual game or story vision where the protagonist is something special, that receive a sort of divine gift that make him superior to the others. In a universe of powerfull ships and weapons that can destroy planets, of the force, of jedi knights that defend the galaxy, and siths that wield terrific destructive powers, of a chosen that will put balance to the universe, the centrality is restored to a single Man, that is nothing special, that have not divine powers, but that was able to say "no" to the power that bounded him to his destiny. This man is a true man, that fight, love and live with his own strenghts, is not a game of power, or fight between good and evil, is a game of enlightment, of the path that the Exile, and generally all of us, have to go through to become real men, able to "express our potential".

Back to the first question and to recap a bit... after looking the other jedi enclave option is quite clear that she have 3 goals... in order 1) To show to the jedis that their code can't lead to the knowledge of the force. (this is probably more a sort of an old wish that a true goal) 2) To stop the echoes created at Malachor V that are a threat to the galaxy (Nihilus in first place, but probably even Sion and i think even herself, if they will not be stopped they will continue to drain the living and to consume the galaxy) 3) To free the galaxy from the "Oppression" of the force. (this is her final goal, the highest one, the ones and very discussed in the 3d)

Eh eh i do the same also i found that generally Kreia cast master speed at the very beginning of the battle... i think the order is energy protection and master speed for the skills she have in my game. Actually it happens a lot of times that she cast master speed even if the battle is finished (but still in combat mode that need some second to clear) making my screen very blurry

No i really don't think that Atris can defeat the Exile at that time and same for all the challenges he find on his path. If the Exile fail, Kreia fail, also consider the bound between Kreia and the Exile, is quite possible that if Atris kill the Exile then Kreia herself will die. That explains how she was defeated the first time, yes. But what you say does not explain why she cannot challenge Nihilus after she has supposedly learned this technique. I don't think Sion was ever a threat to Kreia, ever. Only after Nihilus attacks and drains her does Sion make a move against her, and after seeing Kreia at her full power against the Jedi Council, I doubt Sion could have held his ground when she was in her 'prime'. Sion really needed Nihilus' help in this one. Because she don't need to face him, as she don't need to destroy Sion. even for your theory when Kreia returns to Malachor she is stronger than Sion, she have the power to destroy him but she doesn't do that. also to be honest i'm not too sure that Kreia can really defeat Nihilus, she is more powerfull, but the hunger of Nihilus is so wild that can be unstoppable. I think the main point in that is if Nihilus can drain again kreia or not, and we will never know that for sure. As i think she now can use that technique too i suppose she can't be drained but again we really don't know. also in the translation of nihilus dialogues (if they are correct) when nihilus die it refers to Kreia as his master, not as an ex master like Vader with Obi in ANH, or an enemy that set a trap to him, but as his actual master. If these translations are correct i think it can be very interesting It's quite possible that she thinks she knows, yes. I think she knows he is a wound in the Force, yes. BUT I don't think she's made the leap in intuition that would allow her to grasp just how dangerous the Exile is, and she only realises the truth - and what the Jedi Council are going to do - once the Council says it out loud. Otherwise, why does she not confront the Council directly if she knows what they will likely do? Why does she act so surprised? Because the Exile have to face the council, he have to do that because is an unfinished thing of his past. the thing she says are not surprised is not that she is realising what the Exile is, she is telling us what the exile is. the masters tells that the exhile is blind because the force doesn't sustain him anymore she tells that he began to see as the veil of the force is no more obscuring his vision they tells that he is incomplete, no more sustained by the force she tells that now he is complete she tells that to the Exile. she say that to herself and to us, not because she is discovering that but because that is the truth that the council can't see because their fear. even later when she judge the council she say that, they had the chance to see the true but instead of doing that they where posting a judgment on the exile and to destroy him due to their fear. also look at how she enter.... Enought... Step away from him... He brought truth and you condamn he? what arrogance... She knows what the Exile is, she refers to thim as the truth... (and she is showing a lot of power too ) There is also another root of the enclave where Kreia states that the Exile was her only hope, the only creature able to do what she wanted, and when the Exile doesn't understand she almost kill him with a ray similar to the one used against the council. I think that this put an end to the theory that she destroyed the council using the Exile power. This mysterious threat is mentioned by Kreia quite clearly at the end, after her defeat, when she tells the Exile that he is ready to fight it. The way I see it, she cannot be doing both - she cannot both be trying to destroy the Force because she hates it, and training the Exile to fight the True Sith. The two are incompatible. The only way I can see to reconcile them is to assume that the reason she hates the Force and the control it has is because it will mean the enslavement or destruction of the galaxy, or whatever, once the True Sith arrive. That is the only way *everything* she says makes sense. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> She speak about the threat but just in the end to explain what happened to Revan, not to explain her action Anyway if the force leave the galaxy i think there will be not even true sith I really don't think that these siths where a preoccupation for her, the force and her enemies are her goal.

In my opinion (said that even in another post) all these sith lords are not real villians that as Malak try to stop you.... they are just pawns on kreia board and she use them to test and "enlight" you. Considering that i think it make sense that they appear just to die or to teach something to the exile, and not to pose a real threat. about Nihilus his power is to drain the force and the life out of living behings, the exile is a hole in the force, he can't be drained so Nihilus is powerless against him, and return to be "just a man".

Exile: Why you destroyed Atris? Darth Traya: I never destroyed Atris, she destroyed herself, i just stript away the veil of illusions and brought her the truth, Her teachings could not be allowed to continue. Exile: you used me against your enemies. Darth Traya: I used you so you could reveal Atris corruption, so that her teachings could be ended before it began. i really don't see Atris as a backup, she want to eliminate her and her teachings I can agree that maybe she used the link with the Exile instead of the draining technique, but even in this case she is doing something active, something that the Exile probably can't do or don't know how to do. In both case she is showing a great power doing something like that. She was not able to face Nihilus (but also consider that they where in 2 against her) because probably had not the draining power at that time.. Kreia: It is a technique that is old as the **** themselves it is a mean to sever connection between life, the force and feeding about the death that causes Kreia It cannot be told, It can only be learnt throught the instinct throught the experiencing its effect first hand. Kreia at that time maybe had not that power as she was never drained, i think it makes sense that she aquired that power when she experienced it from Nihilus. I also think to remember a dialogue that stated that Nihilus is just an echo of your wound, it also make sense if the Exile drained him when he recided his bound. No no i'm really sure about that, the Exile is what he is, and Kreia knows that from the beginning. Kreia in the jedi enclave, before the Exile meet the council, actually when he is going to face them alone. Kreia: And now peraphs, they shall se what you have become. She know what the exile is, and i think that this is quite clear in this statement And why *does* she need all this, do you think? So she can fight the True Sith! Of COURSE she needs weapons, what do you think this is all about? Why else cut the galaxy off from the Force, if not to end that threat? Why is she so furious that mankind is a slave to the Force? Because it means the True Sith will win! Why else is she doing all this? It's her - and Revan's - agenda from beginning to end! I tought about the true sith too, expecially considering the cut dialogues, but she is pursuing a greater goal... she really want to free the galaxy ftom this oppression... she tell that to exile. Exile: why have you done that? Darth Traya: It is said that the force have will, that have a destiny for all. Darth Traya: I wield it, but it use us all, and that is revolting(?) to me Darth Traya: Because i hate the force, i hate that it seem to have will that it put control to achive some ballance, when countless lives are lost. No mention of True Sith, just the force that enslave lives.

And how they got exposed to the wound in the force of Malachor? That wound is actually the exile that is uncounsious on the ground, the exile forms bounds with everyone he have around, if is just the exposure to drain the force everyone on ebon hawk or even the masters that show him new techniques or fight with him should be dead by long time. There Kreia is doing something very active, the same thing that Nihilus does to his victims. I think is also interesting the dialogue that the Exile have on ebon hawk with Visas after the jedi council... They speak even about the links and i have the impression that the bounds that the exile estabilish are not so "force related", but is just an impression. Even atton is lv2 but he was a former warrior and a sith elite assassin that killed a lot of jedis.... the level is just a game mechanic. It also makes sense that Kreia is holding back, if she annihilate everything they meet i don't think the Exile will have many chances to "grow up", also as said in the moment that the Exile was facing enemies strongher than him she handled the situation in first person. Is still a demonstration of her power, expecially with the colonel at Oderon, he was one of the main traitors, if he was just unconscious probably the soldiers have "arrested" him before Kreia had the chance to revive. That guy had to be almost dead to not attract the attention of anyone. Not if she knows that the Exile is superior and in his capability. for example the Exile meet Sion 3 times the first time Kreia knows that he can't even confront him and handles the situation direcly. the second time she knows that the Exile can confront him but can't win and actually she stop the fight when the Exile realize what Sion is. the 3rd time she knows that the Exile is stronger than Sion and she doesn't do anything. The exile is not an instrument of destruction, Nihilus is that and she was not in need of him Also she goes to Malachor not to face Sion, but to bring the Exile there, she tell that to Exile, "It was difficult to draw you here, but had to be done" Her action don't make sense if you think them in a power perspective She is no more a sith with the hunger for power, she is fighting the force itself, the thing that gives her the power. She want to free the galaxy from the force to free the it from the force will and determination. She doesn't want to conquer, she doesn't need a slave or a weapon, she doesn't need an instrument of destruction, she need someone that refused the "lure" of the force, that break his bound and was able to survive, that stopped to used the force to sustain himself and to help him to see the world, but that can do these thing with his own eyes, with his own strenght. There is not power in this, but the strenght of the individual, the strenght of a Man that can be an example to others.

Kreia know the draining technique, with her links and this technique she can get as much power as she want, yes when Nihilus drain her she is weak, but she knew this how to use it (she is the master of both Sion and Nihilus) and can apply it to regain her former power (actually i think that Kreia become more powerfull than before after that) Sion "spare" Kreia because Kreia is controlling him I'm quite sure she let him cut her hand because even that is a test, she is showing to the Exile that they will have to sacrifice important things during their journey, and also she is showing to the Exile how strong is their bound. On Korriban in the battle against Sion she suggest to the Exile to flee, and Sion at that moment says that She is protecting him and actually stand still looking the exile flee. I think is quite clear that Sion can't chase the Exile and that due to the will of Kreia. Kreia use the drain technique against them, if you examine the corpse of the 3 masters they are "empty", their force was drained/destroyed. Also at the "beginning" of the fight she is treating and force pushing them as little kids.

I strongly disagree here Atris alredy felt when they met the first time and Kreia knows that. When they leave talos she speak about Atris and she tells that Atris moved the first teps on the path that she chose long time ago. also in the end, when you ask Kreia why she destroyed Atris she tells you that she haven't destroyed her, just that she removed her veil and gave them the truth (something like that) I also strong disagree that Atris will replace the Exile if she can beat him. the Exile is unique, is his chose to abandon the force that made him unique, the true power of the Exile is that he was able to refuse the power of the force and to live whitout it. Kreia doesn't need anything exept that, imo her strenght is far superior to everyone we meet in the game i think that she was/is at least as powerfull as Revan, if not more. Atris in my opinion is essentially a big part in the exile past (expecially if the exile is a man ) and the exile will need to face her to gain more consciousness about his choices, she is an unfinished part of the Exile past, a thing that have to be concluded. Atris is also a danger for Kreia plan to destroy the force, as she is planning to build a sith ehm jedi academy and for this reason she have to be stopped. I also think that during all the game Kreia is playing "safe", she doesn't expose the Exile to danger, every step of the exile is gradual, and when the Exile was in some danger she stepped in to protect him taking care in first person of the enemies... this happen both with Sion and the jedi council... in both encounters the Exile had no chances to survive and here that she handled the situation directly. When Kreia let the Exile face Atris, Nihilus and Sion she knows that the Exile will win, so an option with Atris that beat the Exile is simply not possible in my opinion

mmm i don't agree that Kreia was out of power when she met the exile, nor that she didn't realize what the Exile was from the beginning. Kreia was always hungry of knowledge, it seem that was that who made her fall, as the jedi where not able to give her all the answers she became to study the sith teaching until she felt, but even as a sith she was not satisfied, bot the knowledge of jedis and ****s where not enought and probably continued to studies, probably discovering (or rediscovering) many secrets, including this technique... in my opinion is at this time that she realized how the force blind the ones who use it and how it manipulate the living creatures. I don't even try to think what was her plan before she met the exile, she ran the sith academy on malichor and probably she met Revan at least 2 times. Then Nihilus and Sion took her place draining her and she was forced to leave the academy. Probably due to her studies she was able to regain power pretty fast and began to plan to use the exile to destroy the force. note that maybe she where alredy plaining that from the academy on malachor but we really don't know what she really was doing in that time... she say at some point that she was holding the galaxy at the throat, that seem to indicate a will to conquer it, or that she was so powerfull that she no one was able to confront her. (1vs1 ) about my suppositions I think she was at her full power when she met the exile for how she act against the jedi enclave she simply annihilated them showing both a great power and the mastery of the "draining technique" even when she met Sion on the Harbringer she is so confident, she knows that she is in the control and i bet that Sion where not able to cut her and if she didn't permit that. also during all the game she almost resurrect many character that we tought dead, and even that show that she have still a great power. also she stated tha was her choice to show to the exile the force, i suppose that she actually made the link with the exile and used that even for this purpose. I'm also pretty sure that she knew the "potential" of the exile from the beginning, or better i think that to speak of potential about the exile is wrong, the exile is alredy what he is, he have just to comprehend that. Is not that the exile training is focused to make him more powerfull, Kreia at the end says that actually this was a mistake she made, but to help the exile to get coscience(?) of himself. Kreia is a guide for all the game, her tests are meant to make the exile accept his past and the choices he have done, to face his old enemies and his fears. (this is really evident on Korriban for example). Also she prepare the exile to the future, and many times she give hints about what will happen.

Aha! Many thanks, you've just solved potentially the last piece of my personal puzzle; namely, if Nihilis is actually a part of the exile (as I believe he is), why does Visas Marr say after looking at Nihilis that he is "just a man"? If I understand correctly, Visas is really telling something the exile more or less exactly what you just said. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i posted this in the Nihilus 3d is my opinion about what is him and what happened. i put it here to save time eheh the additions are the "decoding" of nihilus dialogue. (that Kreia is his master and that the Exile stole his exence) Very nice additions to Nihilus story I don't think that Nihilus and the Exile are the same person. I'm more inclined to think that Nihilus, probably Sion and maybe even Keira herself where on Malachor V We have many hints about what it could be happened but we don't know exactly what... about Nihilus i'm inclined to think that it was a force sentivie soldier (jedi or not), or maybe even a sith in the academy. i think is interesting the fact that Nihilus thinks that his essence or probably better his force where severed and cut by the Exile. Is also interesting that the Exile compare the tragedy on Visas world to the battle of Malachor V. Also if i'm not wrong, is stated that was the Exile to start everything, it could be that was because he lead the attack but also that was the hole in the force that he created that leeched or destroyed the connection to the force of all people on Malachor. So a theory can be that during the battle due to the pain, the fear and the death all the force users where dying, they where no more able to "hear" the force but not even able to abandon the force. Here that during the massacre the Exile chose to recide his bounds and this decision, the situation, the deaths created the hole in the force. Due to the Exile natural links or by the raw presence of the hole all the essence of the living creatures present and of the planet itself where "absorbed" or destroyed in this hole that the Exile created, but some force user where able to survive to the massacre. here that Nihilus for some reasons, maybe due to his ability to form strong bounds as the exile, was able to survive, fuelled by the dark side. It could be that when his essence was drained in the hole he was able to leech some of the essence of other living behings around him that where suffering the same fate. This stolen essence was enought to keep him alive and here that Nihilus was born... He have no more his essence he is a hole in the force like the Exile now and to survive he is forced to fuel himself with the essence of other living behings, as he have done to survive on Malachor. I think that Sion could have suffered a similar destiny, the fact that his body is so crushed can be due to the fact that he was on a ship that crashed on Malachor, Instead of Nihilus that survived absorbing other living essence and emotions, is it possible that he fueled himself using his own pain and hate. And note that it seem that even Visas suffered the same fate as the exile, i think that is it possible that during the destruction of her world she left the force too and for this reason Nihilus was not able to kill her. Probably Nihilus acted with her as Kreia is doing with the Exile, making her perceive te force due to a "life bound".

Yes but probably the Ebon Hawk was needed to bring other "warriors" to the sith space and for this reason Revan told T3 to go back. He secured the informations about the sith location so that his former friends where not able to follow him, but this doesn't imply that this information can be unlocked if a meritable(?) sith/jedi is found (as the exile)

I think that what made the Exile so great and so important is not his leaching power, Nihilus and Kreia herself had that power too, is not that he was strong in the force or with a sabre. The Exile power and uniqueness(?) is that he chose to leave the force and that he is an example. He recided himself his bounding with force, he was not in need of the force to survive or to be "complete", the force can no more shape his destiny, now he is free to chose and he can see and hear the galaxy as a man. The danger with him is that he can inspire the others to follow his example and to become like him, to put away the force and to free themselves. at least this is my interpretation eheh

I agree, ranged is still viable, at least until you don't get good crystals or power ups for sabres, then a sabre will be a better damage dealer. but about Visas, consider that if you use master speed (fundamental for every jedi in my opinion) the defence go up by by 4, so actually your Visas have a "base" defence rating of 31 as your mandalore. That rating can be improved even more using other powers, but they are not so fundamental. for the damage your mandalore is doing something like 2x 25-34 + 17-37 using rapid shot for an average of 86dmg/round Visas with a standard 2-24 pole and flurry can do 5 attack/round so around 65/round, and just with a base pole whitout taking in account any str bonus or possible crystal upgrade. My Visas, with just decent sabres (built with some stat crystals and not damage ones) can dish around 125dmg/round. It could be interesting to see how Mira perform as a ranged char or even as a ranged jedi, due to high dex and int probably she should perform pretty well.

I just think that the battle Revan is goin to fight will be not a battle of weapons. For all TSL this thing is present, these wars where not wars of machines is a war of culture, of conversion of the force itself.

The hologram on Kashyyk is not evil, is efficent and necessary what at your eyes seem evil is actually a necessity, you sacrifice something for a greater goal. Probably there is a bit more complex and long discussion to do about that, expecially considering the choice to keep the power, but i think that even that should not be seen as a "pure evil" behavior, but as a necessary evil. also we must not forget that when revan is in search of the starforge he alredy felt to DS, the motivation why he felt can be "noble" but anyway he is changing... he is still in control of himself and hisgoals are still intact but is no more the noble knight it was. at least in my opinion

Atris fell to the dark side, probably both for her thirst of knowledge and the love for the exile. ++++crazy speculation++++ Probably we can put in a sort of desire to emulate the exile, in the final dialogue with Kreia she tells that she considered you a sort of hero, maybe this means that she actually admired you for the choices you have done, you had the courage to disobedy(?) the council for what you tought was right, to save the lives of millions of people. She had not this courage and this generate a sort of love/hate felling for you and for herself too. I say that considering with how much zeal she want to destroy the sith, this could be caused by this situation and by her desire to demostrate herself. also even if true this is not the main reason for her fall, and i stay mostly with the strong passions about you and the hunger for knowledge ++++end of crazy speculation++++ She is not really aware that she felt, she convinced herself that she is still a noble jedi but actually she is betrying the jedi philosopy. Kreia stated that Atris just started the path that herself made years ago, so Atris is becoming/or become what was Kreia, a betrayer and a sith, when she speak of darth Traya she is not actually referring to a phisical person but to the betray and to the person that fall to the dark side betrying his friends, his learnings, his life and spreading betraial around him.

What? Does it means that the stupid sith who tries to kill me using three lightsabers is ATRIS? Now you're getting me all confused O.O Also, you got me thinking... what happens to Atris when you defeat her in that secret base in Telos? If I remeber correctly, you get the option of letting her leave, or killing her. I let her live. If so, then, what happens to her? She becomes Darth Traya?? Ohh... my brain hurts.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nono that is Kreia is not Atris, but i suspect that she put on the cloak of Darth Traya just because is necessary for your final test. at this point Atris is dead or self exiled, even if dunno if the self exile is really possible... I tried to redeem her too and with the dialogue i chose she told me that he understood what she have become and maybe a self exile was her only possibility. We also really dunno if the sith holos will kill her in the end (option for anothe dialogue), but i prefer to think that she left the academy. Kreia tells also that she died in her dialogue, but here the term death can refer not just to a phisical death but to the death of the person she was, that can be compatible with the exile path.

Is it true that we don't know too much about the Exile background, sometimes i had some troubles too, but generally i found that my questions/answers gave me an idea of what really happened. Paying a bit attention to all the dialogue options can be a big help most of the time. I agree that it will be better if we had some more info, maybe a diary datapad with the essential events, but in the end i don't think was really necessary for the game, maybe it could be even a restriction to our RP freedom as the same event could appear very different if we see it from a LS or DS perspective.

i beat the game as light side male(light side male revan) and i'm as confused as everyone else. i barely influenced atton, bao dur etc etc. i focused on visas, kreia and handmaiden. what the hell happened? where did mira go after she beat hanharr? was atris or kreia darth traya? was it a surprise that kreia was a sith lord? if so, what the hell was the point of that cutscene showing her together with nihilis and sion...? to give the impression that she once was a sith, but now neither jedi nor sith? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We don't know where Mira went after the battle with Hanharr, she is supposed to follow the exile in the academy but that part was cut from the game imo Kreia was the old darth Traya, now she is no more a real sith, Atris is the new darth Traya. Kreia tell you she was a sith (lord), i think she is honest when she tell you she is no more one, even her dialogue with Atris seem to point to that, the new sith lord is Atris, not Kreia... i think she get her sith cloak back just to test you and to finish your training.

Very nice additions to Nihilus story I don't think that Nihilus and the Exile are the same person. I'm more inclined to think that Nihilus, probably Sion and maybe even Keira herself where on Malachor V We have many hints about what it could be happened but we don't know exactly what... about Nihilus i'm inclined to think that it was a force sentivie soldier (jedi or not), or maybe even a sith in the academy. i think is interesting the fact that Nihilus thinks that his essence or probably better his force where severed and cut by the Exile. Is also interesting that the Exile compare the tragedy on Visas world to the battle of Malachor V. Also if i'm not wrong, is stated that was the Exile to start everything, it could be that was because he lead the attack but also that was the hole in the force that he created that leeched or destroyed the connection to the force of all people on Malachor. So a theory can be that during the battle due to the pain, the fear and the death all the force users where dying, they where no more able to "hear" the force but not even able to abandon the force. Here that during the massacre the Exile chose to recide his bounds and this decision, the situation, the deaths created the hole in the force. Due to the Exile natural links or by the raw presence of the hole all the essence of the living creatures present and of the planet itself where "absorbed" or destroyed in this hole that the Exile created, but some force user where able to survive to the massacre. here that Nihilus for some reasons, maybe due to his ability to form strong bounds as the exile, was able to survive, fuelled by the dark side. It could be that when his essence was drained in the hole he was able to leech some of the essence of other living behings around him that where suffering the same fate. This stolen essence was enought to keep him alive and here that Nihilus was born... He have no more his essence he is a hole in the force like the Exile now and to survive he is forced to fuel himself with the essence of other living behings, as he have done to survive on Malachor. I think that Sion could have suffered a similar destiny, the fact that his body is so crushed can be due to the fact that he was on a ship that crashed on Malachor, Instead of Nihilus that survived absorbing other living essence and emotions, is it possible that he fueled himself using his own pain and hate. And note that it seem that even Visas suffered the same fate as the exile, i think that is it possible that during the destruction of her world she left the force too and for this reason Nihilus was not able to kill her. Probably Nihilus acted with her as Kreia is doing with the Exile, making her perceive te force due to a "life bound".

I found Kreia special feat really usefull, it save you a lot of time when you are buffing your characters. She is still the best force user, expecially if she stay neutral, with a good array of DS powers Kreia can also do a lot of damage or incap opponents, with various energy/kin protection she can add a lot of defence to the party and with the ability to "res" fallen comrades she can keep everyone up. She is not very good in melee, but mostly due to lack of feats, not because she can't use a pole sabre. I think that pole sabres are a bit overestimated, 1h can still do decent damage and benefit from +3 to hit, +3 defence, consider that with master speed and flurry you still get 4 attack/round instead of 5 with more chance to hit, so not a big difference in terms of damage. I use her as a support force user (she is also a consular eheh) and i'm very satisfied by her skills. You don't need armor skill for her, jedi robes don't use light armor, they are robes. There are some light armors that let the jedis use force powers, but due to the high dex i think is better to use a good normal robe. also note that the to hit bonus on sabre is mainly on dex, not str, so you don't need to get lightsabre finesse as her main melee skill is dex... str modify just the damage. I really like Visas too, is a powerfull force user, second only to Kreia and a good melee due to her high dex, probably with Kreia my fav jedi too. She makes a good jedi, strong melee and can still be a decent force userm i agree that a good sabre is better than melee, but in the beginning, when there are not many sabres around, is nice to have the unarmed option. Mandalore can be a strong melee char, and a decent ranged one, i don't use him too much, mostly due to lack of deflection. Note that is it true that his armor have 0 dex, but with power ups you can raise it. there is a line of power ups that give +def +dex bonus, so his armor can go at something like +14 defence +3 dex that is not bad. i haven't used it too much, but at low levels it can still be a good choice, his shock arm(?) can do decent damage and have not uses, he can equip also a shield that have not uses, also is good array of skills make him a nice addition for low level groups, expecially if you are not a sentinel. at higher level i prefer a good "skill" jedi. a jedi Atton get benefits from high dex and the ability to use the scoundrel gloves (+5 dex), due to his dress and the ability to get high dex he can be very good in defence and good in offence too, as with high dex he will have a good to hit bonus (again no sabre finess needed). His special feat can be really usefull in bad situations. Imo a good choice for a melee jedi. Mira is mostly a "skill" jedi, she have an awesome array of skills that can be used in every situation, the best "skill" jedi, usefull is your char have not many skill points to allocate. To be a force user she need tons of power ups, but she can be a decent melee due to her high dex, also don't underestimate her rocket launcher that can be a good situational weapon. (even if generally all combats are about raw damage and not much strategy ) Probably a boost in cha or wis will be welcome to, to be able to use her even as force support, but even now she can turn out to be a usefull, but not powerfull, group member.