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OK, why don't you state what your point was, but try to be intellectually honest. Are you claiming you were not defending the Wehrmacht? Look, if you really want to make this argument, you could argue that the SS was a major arm of the Wehrmacht, and by the end of the war they were pretty much running the show. That might be a better way to go here. I'm not defending or attacking anything here, I'm just stating the difference between a front-line soldier engaged in combat with opposing military forces and the folks who ran death camps.

Actually, alanschu seems to have understood my post completely. You, on the other hand, pretty much missed the whole point of my post and continue to dig deeper into your hole.

I am defending his right to be biased on the subject. In fact I wish everyone would include little disclaimers about their personal biases, it would probably save a lot of time in these arguments. Again, I'm all for going after the opinion itself and demonstrating the problems with it, I think we've done that pretty well with Wrath of Dagon's posts.

You ARE being anal. Okay, let's assume I'm a Protestant. Does that give me a more informed perspective on French Catholics because they happened to murder a whole bunch of Huguenots? And so on and so forth with any number of massacres throughout history. Kotorguy has NO personal experience of the tragedies of WWII. I'm not even attacking the validity of the claims of his grampa or whatever. But those are, to us, secondary sources, and their value is not certified because they are being presented by a Jew - so his being a Jew has no bearing on this discussion. I'm not quite sure where I said he has a more "informed perspective" I just said his statements were valid and relevant to the issue at hand. I have no problem admitting I am being anal. I find it very bothersome to see folks attack a young poster for sharing personal information with us.

Jagged Alliance 2 Xcom Baldur's Gate Fallout The Goonies on the NES That is all.

It's an opinion, so right or wrong doesn't really come into play here. He also isn't condemning Germans. You asked about Nazi soldiers, he answered about them. He does not believe German soldiers during WW2 can be considered heroes. I disagree with him, as do a few other folks here. But I take exception to attacking his disclaimer about being Jewish and having a familial connection to the tragedies of WW2. It's in bad taste to attack someone for sharing that information. Go after his opinion, sure, but attacking the validity of his personal experience to the issue? Weaksauce.

I see it this way, it's the same as a black person saying all white men are evil b/c his or her relatives were kept as slaves. So not really relevant at all. I see that as totally relevant. I can disagree with the assessment, but I can clearly see where the opinion is coming from. I also think the analogy makes more sense if the black person thinks all southerners during the era of slavery are evil, which again, makes sense even though we can dispute that most southerners didn't own slaves and many probably did not support slavery as an institution.

How is the Holocaust not relevant to a discussion on WW2?

And I'm not sure where his being Jewish, Polish, Russian or French fits in with the unrelated issue of whether a WWII German soldier can be a hero or not. Oh wait, it doesn't fit anywhere. Not to mention the fact that kotorsomethingorother didn't experience the war himself, so he's about as qualified to make value judgements as you or me. His perspective isn't any more "real and human" than any Wikipedia article, but unlike wiki articles, his perspective has no citations attached. By the way, you may have all the college degrees in the world, but you are still failing basic reading comprehension. Lare didn't ask which ethnic or religious group anyone belongs to, which is what I was referring to. He added the Jewish part as a disclaimer, so we would understand where his opinion was coming from. You jumped on him for it. Congratulations on that.

I have to think you don't know much about WW2 history. Yes, you must be right. Other than the degree in history and the few classes on World War 2 I took in college, I have little knowledge on the subject. Please enlighten us all on your vast knowledge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_war_crimes Notice the references to Wehrmacht, or follow specific links. Wonderful. And here is a link to the Allied war crimes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_cr...ng_World_War_II I'm really not getting your point here.

I have to think you don't know much about WW2 history. Yes, you must be right. Other than the degree in history and the few classes on World War 2 I took in college, I have little knowledge on the subject. Please enlighten us all on your vast knowledge.

ROFLASDASFASDKHJ And I'm a scientologist. Who asked you and, more pertinently, who the **** cares? In all seriousness though, I suppose we're required to take a Palestinian's opinion at face value on whether an IDF member can be a hero as well, then, if your opinion as a Jew is somehow especially relevant. I'm not sure where you are going with this vitriol. First off, the scientology comment makes no sense. He's not just spouting off about his religion, he is part of an ethnic group that was targeted by Nazi's. And as for who asked, it was Lare, he quite specifically asked if a Nazi soldier can be a war hero. I want teh kotor 3 also qualified his answer by explaining his family connection to the holocaust and why his opinion is not only relevant, but emotionally charged. I appreciate his perspective, it is entirely real and human, rather than just a simple regurgitation of a wikipedia article from an uninvolved forum poster.

Not really, they both fought for the nazis, the SS was just a bit more enthusiastic. Not really, the vast majority of soldiers in the Wehrmacht were fighting for their country, not a political party. Honestly most historians target the SS as the main perpetrators of war crimes, so I'm not sure where you are going to go with this argument.

I was on my way to the theater to see it, but then I realized I wasn't a teenage girl. And the Underworld series is great, all three movies (or is it 4?) They are right there with the Resident Evil flicks.

CCP has certainly shown how a small developer can be successful in the MMO market.

She's got good stage presence.

I think you do have a separation between the Wehrmacht and the SS in WW2, and in the way people look back on them.

Harper's Ferry is one of the most interesting places I have ever visited. They've done a great job of preserving the history of the place. Gettysburg was less exciting for me, it's basically just a big field with a few rocky outcroppings.

I agree with this. It does seem to be at least a couple years down the road, maybe even longer. I'll pay attention when they start releasing screens, for now it's just all speculation.

Where is Calax going to school?

I didn't think DA overdid the lore at all. I can see that argument with ME, maybe.

Anyone know about the Intel Atom processor? One of the PC's just needs to run Office, so I'm looking at an inexpensive setup. The ad I'm looking at has it at $220 for Atom processor 230.

Uh...I'm not entirely sure what you mean by your question, but I'll try. I am fairly certain the American Civil War is not a huge part of curriculum outside of the US, but it is a fairly critical event in history. It was the final blow to the institution of slavery, which was not simply an American issue, but something all European nations were involved with during the Age of Imperialism. Much like World War I, it was a brutal war that had a high cost of life. The military maneuvers became the basis for modern strategy at the time as well.

I thought about nominating myself, but I decided not being nominated just meant I don't have some eccentricity that makes all these others stand out. I can live with that

I didn't even have subtitles on for my play through of DA. There was a time or two when a slow speaking NPC bothered me, but the overall high quality made it a very pleasant experience to listen to.