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Your post are just one big (good written) wank fest, to try to put the best light on any action taken by Russia. First you went on a limb saying that current memorandum don't need a the two decades of status qou option, because it was already decided before that - to which Walsingham simply pointed out: "Because, the situation hasn't, you know, changed at all"). So you argued for what you think that people in Crimea see as valid ( wouldn't an option on referendum show what they think is valid?), while the rest of your post might give the wrong impression to someone unfamiliar with the situation, as if that status que wasn't maintained and challenged by votes/action like in the Falklands issue. Then you tried to build a case of oppression.(which in your last post you even equated to North Korea ) To me I was just huge synthesis based on straws, so I added a time frame and context for all your claims i.e. after effect of fall of USSR, action taken by Ukraine and other involved actors, almost two decades of status qou, which was ratified by all involved parties(including Crimea rada), explaining that the situation/actors in Crimea has changed completely since 1991-4 to 2006ish and separating Crimea/Ukraine issue from Russia, noting the later violations/involvement which appears very much like a putsch or Anschluss. Which you deflected to Western "violations" with apples and orange scenarios(see bellow) a stupid comparison to North Korea, dismissing Crimean constitution on which they voted in favor of what in your expert opinion is the right the only valid one and arguing that you have nothing else notable in recent years( presumably to link to that initial weak argument), because Ukraine is imitating tiny portion of Putins Russia tricks? Sorry but the only thing that I take from this is a reminder of what hypocritical opportunist bully is Russia, who quick to violate its international obligations in favor of an easy real estate grab. What I said: I understand it is hard to understand, but : US withdrawn from the treaty ( which was provided by the "withdrawal" clause ) in accordance with it they gave six month notice to involved members. Which followed by diplomatic process. While Russia decide to take unilateral action, manufacturing justification as they went. No informing\warning the members part to the treaty (No attempt to resolve the issue in the intentional community) just spontaneous coordinated local defense in Crimea after Russian mobilization, which on its own is violation of sovereign state right, but especially bad when its a sovereign state which you disarmed and assured to protect.. So what special circumstances?! unless maybe you are in the 'East vs West' and 'means to an end' mind frame ..

I think that you might find more willing same minded people if you post an age group and or sex, tough it might be best for them to just follow up on that in private messages ..

Sure the idea might appeal more to those with lots of regrets, since change isn't necessary good, but even if you wake up every morning happy, energetic and with butterflies in your stomach like you just fell in love, I bet there are still at least couple missed opportunities that you might be intrigued to explore

And the west violated their assurance to Russia that the break up of the WP and German reunification would not see further eastwards expansion of NATO, or over the Anti Ballistic Missile treaty. Again, treaties are mutual things, can't expect only one side to obey the ones you find convenient, same as you cannot decide arbitrarily that Kosovo is a Special Case but no other case is special, or special enough, for the same treatment. Again you deflect from Russia Bullying with apple and oranges scenarios and demagogy(like who ever compared Russian actions in Crimea to USA in Iraq before ) knowing that I am not going to address every BS again. For example, the issue with the Anti-Balistic Missile treaty which happened in the same time frame as above(1992), was signed between US and USSR, and US withdrawn from it after USSR dissolved (presumably because of issues with dealing with several former USSR nuclear states) their withdrawal was in accordance with treaty and they gave Russia the required six months notice. Which followed with other diplomatic treaties to fill the blank. So I am not sure what they violated. While here we have Russia who in 1994 assured the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine(former USSR) so that Ukraine join Nuclear non-proliferation pact and terminate their nuclear arsenal. Russia ratified that Crimea is part of Ukraine in 1998. However, since ~2006 once Ukraine decided to move westward leading to Russia actively apply economical/political pressure to subdue them and once this didn't work, f*** assurances and they directly violation Ukrainian sovereignty and its territorial integrity. Maybe to you it is the same, and those who look for excuse will find superficial similarities everywhere, but I see pattern. On one side an international community working together to solve issues, on the other an angry impetuous bully who is angry at west. That actually an interesting claim that I didn't know about, that might be true. I'll have to read more about their constitutional majority and see of the vote was actually to impeach for a crime as oppose some other article like being incapacitated(due to the fact that he fled the country in the middle of national crisis). But just as the issue of 2004 changes to constitution, that was found unconstitutional by the court in 2008(?), and yet gave that president powers... its a big tangle for Ukraine and their constitutional courts to solve, but it is Ukrainian tangle, not an excuse for opportunistic Russia to exploit and violate its international obligations in favor of a quick real estate grab.

^that was my first thought as well and pretty sure I seen such movie, I just can't dig up a name.

So I am the only selfish prick who would go back in time to bitch slap myself from doing few things?!

And I specifically pointed out why that is not a good gauge. You ask the question that way because it will give the answer you want, I answer the question that should be asked. To take an extreme example, I could not prove that there is significant political dissent in North Korea either, but that doesn't mean that there either isn't, or that people willingly support the status quo. It just means that they cannot do so overtly. So bottom line your answer is no. No, you don't have any notable movements/actions, international involvement all the usual jazz in the past decade that says years of foundation building. Only the four years of upheaval following the break of USSR(1991), in which newly formed Ukraine thought unified nationwide political ideology to encourage integration/loyalty into the new state. ** You also conveniently neglected that statuesque that emerged after 1994 to date, Crimea has vote for another constitution in 1998, which resolved the institutional conflicts. (btw same year Russia duma voted again that Crimea is part of Ukraine). ** Btw, during that time many still thought that Russia and Ukraine should be reunited into one state (maybe Putin should save some more ethnic Russians in Ukraine? ) which is what most people in Creame back then supported, not reunification with Russia but a Commonwealth of sort between Russia\Ukraine\Belarus. -- Btw, I find amusing Putin's increasingly authoritarian rule in Russia, its state media/propaganda and education for patriotism, which encouraged the rise of government ~sponsored youth groups which are officially for democratic and anti-fascist. Which work against foreign control in Russia and its culture.

I specifically asked what they did in recent times. Because the initial greater independents and secession movements were common following the break of USSR(1991) and were crushed, not just in the newly formed Ukraine. That movement pretty much was suppressed back then, leading to the status qou that held to date. So I am asking again tell me something notable that they did in last decade toward independents, like in the loosely related world examples that you brought up. Because I only see how Russia with their east/west mind frame decide to punish Ukraine for not siding with them, by taking away Crimea. With a lot of manufactured excuses i.e. they sent forces to defend ethnic Russians from made up upheaval on their news. They manufactured a reason for breaking their agreement with Ukraine by giving asylum to the deposed president calling him the legitimate president, and trying to build an image of nazi Ukraine. Now with illegal vote and referendums passed, it is about trying to convince that this whole think was their idea by enlightening them about what they really wanted with history. Regardless, fact is that Russia violated their assurances toward Ukraine, their illegal intervention in another sovereign country bypassed international community and normal procedures and they rigged the whole thing up, no wonder there are comparisons to Anschluss. That or propaganda(which is very similar concept to PR) is very good at "hype" building, which is why no political process should be held under such circumstances and provide for natural observers, to avoid rush decisions. Btw, isn't the quality of life in Ukraine is better then in Russia?

So Ukraine government have been doing what most federal governments do. As for Crimea can you be more specific as to the actions they took in recent years, you mentioned some votes? how about polls, discussion, appeals to UN, legal advice or any other mesure that would be considered substantial on the global map i.e. not just another excuse that Russia is waving while going with its illegal "Anschluss" of Crimea? ----- Also: Crimean parliament formally applies to join Russia - So I guess my analysis in the previous post was wrong.

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I think that Pyramid scheme is a smart business for those on top, but as for this guy if he can stand there all day, every day, he can also get a job.

A referendum that was voted and rushed by a parliament which was held by that heavily armed local defense , its communication with Kiev was limited and probably was feed with a good portion of the same fear mongering and demagogy like what we seen dripping from oby "news", I wonder if people there even got anything resembling debate or basic fact checking of the rectification of such move to them(not to Russia or Putin). Also, IMHO Putin don't want to annex Crimea which would release a political\domestic **** storm on his head, and make him responsible of the region, greater Autonomy option will allow him to claim victory, claim that his troop presence was needed, get the freedom he wanted for his forces (which Ukraine was limiting) and establish a pressure mechanism over Ukraine all the while leave Ukraine to deal with... While Annexation would reduce the ethnic Russian voting power(who are his best allies) and I doubt that many crimeans would want to give up on their Ukrainian passports/life. So really there is very likely only one option ...

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I know that it is commonly used to say that we should learn from past mistakes (e.g. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"), presumably so that we can change the it. Though I think it speaks more about human nature then history.. , anyway it just an old argument that crossed my mind, and I thought to pick up your brains. You have "sucker" written on your forehead maybe? I also was the sucker(innocent/curious) few times around. I was healed by "my" bus station beggar, middle aged good looking man ( not neglected in anyway i.e. well dressed, hair cut etc) asked for change because he was little short for a intercity bus ticket. Sure why not, glad to help, right? the problem that he was there the next time and every time I took that bus all day long, basically it was his daily "job" to stand there and scam new comers...

Anyone with two peanuts in their head knows that they will use it for more then that. So in your opinion criticizing Putin's who is silencing independent media and critics of government is laughable, because the "west" is censoring online hate speech, beheading videos and pro-terrorist propaganda, which you know that they will use for more then that :/ What does it says about the "peanuts count" in your head ?

Why would I call some who boss me around a leader just because he has a ****?! is this is a region/culture slang or wtf ?!?!? Also on a personal note, I don't like such campaigns, to me it seem like it tries to define what women can do i.e. look you can become a everything you want leader! what if she want to become "grease monkey" or any other of the "manly" jobs which are taboo in many places.

I don't recall how China voted in UNSC concerning Kosovo resolutions (though I am pretty certain they recognized it), but they indeed voted the same in regard to Russia action in Georgia creating the two breakaway regions. Also Chinese( and Russian) giant are afraid from cession and has been brutally suppressing such notions (btw couple of month ago Putin made talk of cession from Russia illegal), so you can see this as selfish vote by China to protect its interests, however, it can also be seen as a breakaway from their voting pattern which reflects the the common interests shared by both. Anyway, the main news was that 8 voted for resolution calling the vote illegitimate and only Russia voted against.

All UN security console members voted in favor of resolution concerning the Crimea secession referendum as "illegitimate", with the exception of China --usually regarded as a Russian ally on this issues-- who abstained and Russia who vetoed the vote. Meanwhile reportedly Russian troops took over another village inside Ukraine, Crimea. Also In Moscow some minor protest against Putin Crimea intervention.

what in your opinion does the saying mean: "History tends to repeat itself"?

huh? unless you can explain how silencing critics of President Putin is the same as what you said, your post makes sense only if you like fart jokes and making a brain fart make you happy :/

Democratic vs Totalitarian? I suppose its more of the West vs East Russian retarded rhetoric. Anyway, I already commented on this issue before. Although, while it is not surprising that Russian bullying --in attempt to subdue a country into becoming a submissive satellite state that should care more about Russian interest that its own-- give rise to nationalism. It is amusing how uhm "Totalitarian Russia enthusiasts"(?) try to portray the situation in Ukraine as fascist and what not, considering Russia track record with xenophobia and racism. Btw how goes your attitudes toward various minorities and "dark asses" in particular, and how goes your new patriotic laws, which include the adaption of educational history texbooks to paint a more patriotic picture? It would be interesting to see what would happen if your nationalized tv would give tenth of the time they spend on Ukraine to this issue in russia.

Not so strong as the his media paints him to be, it mostly the personality cult he built and maintained since his better years after Chechnya 2 and before the economical crisis.. Also the Ukrainians has a different picture for him it include mustache (and shirt on )

Happy Women's Day!

I probably right, many of them seem like they are a result of outcry over public case or old leftovers. At leas I hope so, looking at the "necrophilia is legal" law...

Since you are concerned with "extremely fraud logic", might I suggest the idea of: "tu quoque" "Bandwagon as an answer to your question. Both of which frequently used here with the apples and oranges deflection, which I covered in my recent post: i.e. deflecting from the issue at hand by saying look whose talking, banking on some popular issues, which isn't really comparable. Also known as demagoguery.