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Again, if the story had been a little better crafted, I might agree with you. I think the Force is neither dark or light, it depends on how it's used. But at any rate, his ability to use the light side was not diminished, it was utterly blocked, see for yourself: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah I meant the Light side was blocked (bad choice of words) but his ability to use the force wasn't .. although only DS was accessible.. So even though he couldn't use the LS if he had died he should've become one with the force, since his connection wasn't totally severed!

but every Jedi learns to respect and fear the dark side .. perhaps he didn't know he would become a Sith Lord, but still he knew what a Jedi was capable of doing once going DS .. but he refused it, becuase of fear and arrogance that this could happen to him! I think thats a good reason for a fall .. well I don't think he feared turning into oblivion, his ability to use the Light side of force was diminished, but the presence of it would still be in him, otherwise he couldn''t have used the DS .. imo he simply feared death! with or without the force .. since I know alot who feel the same way as you do, I will agree that the writer could've done a better and more convincing job! but for me, Exars fall was fine .. guess I'm not that demanding!?

Okay then we don't agree .. well on the Light Side issue we do .. But I think the Dark side is not just giving in to emotions like anger, but also giving in to your fear! if you can't sacrifice yourself for the greater good, which Exar wasn't capable of, that'll take you closer to the dark side! I think he must've known on some level that this was a bad idea .. hence the "I'm sorry Master" remark he made! for me Exars downfall was a believable one, because he acted human every step of the way down .. he was a victim of his fear, and of his arrogance that he could control this fear.. of course this makes him seem weak, and I think he was ..

That's like saying that Hitler should have let himself be killed in WW1 because that would have prevented WW2. In retrospect, it's true. In retrospect too, if Obi-Wan had let Maul cut him down, Anakin would have never been trained, and therefore, the Jedi would have not been wiped out. There was no way for Exar to know what awaited him. At that point, and as far as he could think, his death was meaningless. It's no wonder Exar was afraid, the only thing that stood between him and certain death was the dark side. Jedi don't succumb to fear because they have the Force to reassure themselves. How do you think Obi-Wan would react if facing Vader he suddenly found he was cut off from the light side? He let himself be killed because he knew he would become 'more powerful than you can imagine'. Exar didn't choose to embrace the evil or give in to his passions. He just chose to live, because there would be no gain from his death. That's what anyone would have done in those circumstances. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well for Exar there was no way to know true.. but we were speaking in the grand picture.. but anyway maybe I wasn't clear because we totally agree .. I didn't say Exar choose to embrace the dark side, but did so out of fear! but I think that was a good way to let him fall to the dark side, because you felt sorry for him, and when he slowly turned more and more inhumane and you watched the last shred of humanity vanish from him, you still felt sorry (Well I did) .. because you remember he turned out this way because of fear! That made him seem very human to me!

yeah but it was too bad GL didn't really make The Empire look as big and bad as the were .. They alliance seemed quite capable of winning at every turn imo! I would have liked it to be a little more "OH MY GOD!! THEY HAVE A DEATH STAR!!! ARGHH!!!!" :D edit: Although on a side note, I was cool that he decided to have The Empire kick the Rebellions a** in ESB even without their main baddy weapon .. and seem like a capable force agian!

I agree, he could have chosen to die. Sacrifices are not unheard of in the SW universe. But there's a difference between sacrifice and meaningless death. Exar's death would have served no purpose at all, so there was no reason for him to die. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well in the grand scale his death would have prevented his fall and the death of ALOT of people .. so not entirely meaningless! But I think the idea of making Exar afraid to die (fear leads to the dark side bla bla) was a way to underline his eventual fall! I think that was a good way to "justify" his fall to the dark side .. as he said "im sorry master (can't remember) I want to live" as he pulled his lightsaber to him with the dark side .. although he should not have been so overpowered in the end though, that was the only thing about Exars story I didn't like ..

yeah I guess thats true! guess some of those characters we connect the most with is those who are redemeed! Maybe because we like to believe that if we ever make a mistake we want to be able to redeem ourself and be forgiven! It seems that way to me .. but then its always easier to understand an evil guy turned good, than a good turned pure evil!

yeah I'm sure Revan will play a big part .. But I really think the character was underdeveloped in KOTOR, so I hope Obsidian brings some humanity (or inhumanity if DS ) into him! flesh out the story and give a deeper understanding of the motives and personality of pre-KOTOR-Revan and Post-KOTOR-Revan .. and I would personally think it would be a good story twist to have LS Revan deal with selfdoubt and a personality crisis, because you are bound to be a little confused if you are given a new personality and have to come to terms with your old one was a Sith Lord .. I mean that must be hard to comprehend!

I don't blame Exar for hating cathar Well he does look quite stylish with that fashionable scar he got from one of them! So I think he should be grateful!

I hope there's something like that, if there is one "bad" legacy from the movies is the idea that ulmost every planet has a singular climate <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Most planets in reality that have been discovered have a singular climate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How many of those are inhabited? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 7 I would say! Earth is a little strange in that regard because of our 23,5 degree tilt, most planets have a fairly stable climate (although stable also quite extreme in one way or another.. too hot, too cold etc) just look at the other planets in our solar system!

This message would probably be better served being posted on the Lucas Arts forum. I wonder if anyone over there has noticed the situation. That is if there is a situation to notice ... Anyone here registered over at LA forums? Maybe you can be our proxy and bring our concerns to light over there? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> no one would ever admit being a member of the Lucasart forums!

hmm this made me think .. (LS) If Revan joined the battle against the new Sith, s/he must have been constantly afraid of falling to the dark side again, and therefore not be as an effective commander! which would ironically cost more lives! So s/he would probably stop fighting for the Republic and .. well who knows what!? just made me think .. :ph34r:

thanks .. I figured that was what it meant, but I wasn't sure!

now I have to ask .. because I'm not sure .. going Gold?

They made alot of really strange, but quite excellent films in the 60-70ties ..but then again, there was a stronger focus on story, because you couldn't dazzle people with special effects!

I think alot of people will stop coming here within the next couple of weeks .. myself included! its the only way to avoid spoilers completly ..

You forgot she was a holocaust survivor an she commits suicide like a week after they have sex <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can't remember much of the film to tell the truth! just remember him falling in love with her .. and something happens to her, and the great ending! really great ending .. so life-confirming!

ah .. it was the Indiana Pacers vs. Detroit Pistons .. but where it was I don't know! (not from US)

wouldn't want to ruin it for you .. besides I had to look up the plot, I saw this movie when I was 13 or around that, so I can't really remmeber it 100% ..

I just don't understand the sentence.. "were this game I have forgotten" .. sorry ..

Harold and Maud is a freaky film from 1971! Plot from imdb: Harold is a depressed, death-obsessed 20-year-old man-child who spends his free time attending funerals and committing suicide in front of his mother, but he does not die. At a funeral, Harold befriends Maude, a 79-year-old woman who has a zest for life. She and Harold spend much time together during which she exposes him to the wonders and possibilities of life. After rejecting his mother's three attempts to set him up with a potential wife, and committing fake suicide in front of all of them, Harold announces that he is to be married to Maude. However, Maude has a surprise for Harold that is to change his life forever. Master : "I hate The Sith" yet you have Sion as your avatar?

huh?

or Kreia naked ..

true .. But seen from a writers point of view it would be easier, and just as plausible, to have Bastilla remain as Revans faithful student!

That's because Europeans are freaking crazy, if you are so serious about a sport that you kill a rival fan you're a ****ing idiot....it's just a goddamned game....not even politics (in my opinion) should resort to war and killing....but when sports sinks to that level that means sportsmanship is dead and people are idiots.... and anyone care to explain why the hell Europe is so obsessed with Futbol? soccer... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> not everyone over here loves football/soccer that much .. but yes you are a freaking psycho if you kill someone over anything, especially sports! It's mostly England, Italy, France and Spain thats alittle obsessive about their teams, and in my experiance the Italiens are the worst when it comes to violence rioting (and England comes in second place).. no offence to either country but they have their bad apples! I'm very happy that danish football fans aren't that overzealous when it comes to "defending" their team honour .. And when it comes to obsessing about a sport I don't think anyone from US should be pointing any fingers! you might not be so violent, but I have never seen anything as obsessive as your general attitude towards American Football! I saw a documentary about a town (Tigers or something, a college team) where the coach or a representative would bring a little toy Tiger to any new born boy .. and people were buried in Tigers coffins .. now thats obsessive!! but hey, as longs as it's harmless like that, I don't mind!