Sarex

Haven't played League of Legends since November, got back in to it a couple of days ago and found out that I'm **** now.

What nice people we are getting on this forum.

Why does one exclude the other?

1) I feel that you are a troll, how the **** would you why/if I didn't back the game. Where have I stated either? Stop putting words in my mouth. 2) Good for you 3) How are you penalized? Because you got less xp then the guy who exploited the game? You get exactly the amount of xp the game has been designed for you to get. I speak for myself also, but unlike you I have been in these threads (xp discussion) since the beginning and know what both side have said. How will combat xp stop that?

LoL, this isn't about us getting our way, this is about making the game good and it not failing miserably when it comes out and pissing off everyone who backed expecting a game similar to IE games. If it turns out that we were wrong then good for him and shame on us, but if it turns out bad, well, then at least we said something and we know we did everything we could to make the game better.

Who the **** are you to decide who gets to play the game and how? Also what are we suppose to say to people for whom kill xp disincentives them from doing quests in a non lethal way?

Yep.

Sure but that isn't the game people backed.

That has been their solution to everything so far in PoE.

Copypasta: "It has to be witnessed and logged by another soldier, generally the sniper's spotter."

Nope, American hero, though many thought he was an outrageous liar.

As a matter of fact I thought it was pretty light on the "hur dur Murica is da best", the focus was more on the life of a solider, I just wasn't that taken in by the movie. Guess it makes a difference when it's your solider.

Meh, it was an ok movie, nothing impressive though.

Dude, are you for real. http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/68932-combat-xp-what-just-happened/ There are even more iteration of this topic in the BB forum but this was all I could find with a cursory search. Even the most diehard fans of the quest xp system didn't like it in the bb. I have been part of these discussions since before the beta. Point in case: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/67140-experience-point-system-in-the-beta-and-onwards/ and all the threads before it.

I know some people don't care much for the bottom bar, but the inventory screen is the prettiest for me in all the IE games.

Read carefully what I said: "Ask anyone who played the beta in the beginning, their original version of the xp system was pretty bad." Also read that big post before. Removing combat xp, removed a style of gameplay for us players.

Don't have to believe me. Ask anyone who played the beta in the beginning, their original version of the xp system was pretty bad. They improved it since, but it's still not good.

From what I have seen the AI is so dumb that making it from scratch would not be that much more work. Edit:Still can't believe that they couldn't make an AI at least as good as BG2 (let alone IWD2).

P:E? You mean PoE? What makes you so confident?

Dude if you can't see the point in what I'm saying that I have bad news for you... Try consulting with a doctor it could be serious. Ok, let's take it slow. Do you know what character progression is in a game? Let me explain just in case, characters gets xp, when he gets enough xp he levels up, when he levels up he progress his skills and stats. If you still don't understand I'll break out the crayons. Now, as far as exploring is concerned, I see I need break out the crayons. When you explore and go through an area, you are forced to murder hobos, as you oh so eloquently put it, you will get 0 xp (at least in the original iteration of the xp system), so you will get 0 character progression. Then you will take quests, and the empty spaces you made will only then start giving xp, so only then will character progression happen. What we call that is uneven and erratic character progression and as you may or may not know that is also called bad gameplay design. I don't know how you got that the murderhobo gets any more xp, usually non lethal solutions awarded more xp in BG games. You must be thinking of the famous, "oh noes the bad people exploit the system and double dip" (also, that has been blown way out of proportions, you didn't get that much more xp by doing that). Also as was/is proven in the backer beta exploration via stealth is not plausible, as you can't most of the trash encounters in the wild. As for cognitively shallow and instant gratification, you do realize that you just described video games in a nut shell? Just lol... I don't see how kill xp changed that. The issue here is that you people care too much about how other people play the game. If other people want exploit the system that is their prerogative, why would you care if they ruin the game for them selves? No it doesn't, I don't know how you played the game, but I have not in any of my playthroughs murder everything that was walking. I admit that in my later playthroughs went for the optimal solutions (whatever gave more xp/better items), but that is neither here nor there. You can't stop meta gaming and no matter what Josh thinks neither can he. If you think that kill xp incentives murderhobo playthroughs then you have other problems you should be concerned about. Yeah PoE is not supposed to be Deus Ex. PoE is a combat oriented game, you can even ask Josh about, he confirmed it on numerous occasions on this forum. Yeah no one I know does that ****. At least not on his first 10 tries of the game. Maybe when someone gets bored, he goes for that sort of gameplay style to see what is the max xp he can get or simply what would happen if he does that. But the question still remains, why the **** would you care how someone else plays the game? Especial when the dificulty curve is not optimized for that sort of gameplay (exploitation), that person is essentially ruining his gameplay experience (provided that he enjoyed it in the first place). If you think that PoE won't have any exploits, then buddy, I have some bad news for you. Give it the time the Infinity Engine games had, I predict that it will have even more holes in its gameplay. edit2: Removing kill xp, removed a style of playing the game (or at least made it unplayable), it removed a choice from the game. That you and other people don't like this choice doesn't matter, this game isn't made only for you. Your problem is that you seem to care too much how other people play the game. Nothing stopped you from playing BG in a non lethal way and choosing non lethal options, well I lie your mentality stopped you, that much is pretty obvious, you care too much how much xp other people get to relax and play the game in your own way. I'm afraid that is a problem that you have to deal with and not the game. You have a pretty skewed idea of what 100% the game is and yes it is important to establish what 100%ing the game means. Otherwise what's the point of arguing it. I stay by my statement that 100% the game is going through all the choices/quest that are available in the game and exploring 100% of the maps that are available in the playthrough. That you can make another choice doesn't matter, either way you chose you complete the quest. But I guess you are one of those people that want achievements in the game. edit: Forgot to add, Josh said there would be no class restrictions, so if that's true it means that you can finish any quest. It doesn't matter that you can't access a few dialogs if in the end you can complete said quest. Your arguments are pretty weak and your constant insults only prove that. No, he said that it's better if you go for the full combat xp (ala IE games) then this partial neither here nor there system. Josh still didn't implement the system we asked for and it's still bad. Bestiary isn't kill xp, it's FIRST kill xp.

So far it's a take on the movie. So not a continuation.

Just watched the pilot and I must say, for some reason I really liked it. Still can't put my finger on it, but so far the series is great.

False, you can 100%, ie. you can go through all choices and all available quest. Also as class restrictions don't exist you can even do all the quest in PoE.

^Oh the sweet, sweet irony.