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PrimeJunta Wait, if i recall there was one of the stech goals that was adding possubility to create your own team, in practical point of view, if you create our own party... will it not end just like in Ice Wind Dale ?

Goddammit Brody ! "Yeah ?!" Goddammit give me some fatman ! Goddammit give me some fatman, Brody for those goddamn orcs !

I'm worried about release day bugs. Everyone should be. Bugs should be at a minimum if you're going to release a product. Yeah but i whoud reather had, buggy game at the realise and fixed compleatly or almost at 2/3 patches, then Half as buggy game with never fixed bugs xD

Yeah i know WHY they are big xD Otherwise heads will be not so "visible" after chargen. But why not to make them 10/15% smaller in chargen and not change their appirience after it. It whoud sho almost no diffrence, but chars in chargen whoud not look like big kids anymore xD

Im not so "worried" about "realision" bugs but good support and patches. In first realise they allways will be some bugs, but i hope that you will be fixing them quickly, not like in NWN2 in with some bugs (many of them) where not fixed until this day. Expecionally i hope that "quest/dialogs" will be putt to bigger consern then stats. I whoud reather forgive some bugs in "some" spells or some stat value reather then quest/dialog line bugs like in NwN2. I whoud like to awoid issus like in "khelgar quest" in with some idiot put "influence check = 10" rether then "influence check = >9" and becouse of if i coud make khelgar stay "warrior" and finish the quest only if i had 10 inluence no more no less. Also "crossroad keep" takes a cake. Some values are not input corectly, some did not do anything, some values influences others even if they not suposed to etc" but at this moment attack of Garius at the keep is also brilliant. Seige towers are buggy (sometimes they spown undeadsometines not, somethimes you distroy towers but nothing prohgresses), Garius show up, but reather then summoning nighwalker he is atacking some grey cloth that putts him arrow in the knee, and Garus starts atacking him not summoning nighwalker .... Secondly at least TRY not to add some more bugs in next patches, becouse in original game i encounter other bugs, in fully upgreated old ones where fixes but "New" bugs showed up xD An i will not even say how bugged Warlock class was, spell DC to this day is not fixed, only acid spell that bypasses Spell Resistence make this class playable... Please good support and good patches ... we will survive if 3/4 spells of 30 possible don't work as they supossed to xD

Is it just me ... or ... Heads are a litte to big ? xD

I can't see a game that shows, human being withoud some kind of romance "hits" so im not compleatly sure that in PE we will not see any some sort of romace-pelated content (some sort of flirt for example), so i think that in the end we will see some "romance" possibilitys for PE2. But i personaly think that "romance in games" need to go difrent direction. Biowere romances were... a little awkward, but obsidian NwN2 romance with Elanee takes the cake, so don't say that "biowere" is worst, becose obsidian show that not only biowere can make "awkward romances". But why romances shoud be put in the first place ? Why putt them at all ? In my opinion becouse adding romances, not only add addictional content, but also add more "roleplay-ability", people are diffrent. Some people like deep emotional romances, some people like sex-friend relations, some are homosexual, some are asexual, some are just "Grinding" not roleplaying games. Grinding is good for adventure-like games, action games or mmos, but not complex roleplaying games. Some gamers can say "Oi, you are playing game, for gods sake, not real life", but then comes an issu, if we are playing role-playing game (game where you try to play "role" of some sort of character) then having possibility of having romance (in some way) may be significant if some one creates a chcaracter that in players view whoud be interested in this type of inferactions. For exaple of nwn2, pale master (some sort of bad necro mage) whoud reather kill some one an make him his servant then "romanceing" someone. But Bard or Rogue whoud mostly no contraindications agins casual sex or any some sort of "noncommittal romances", bard goeing intu a tawern whoud be in many ways mostly interested in social interactions. Other example, you create two types of paladins, one that is "celibate" and anti-social, secound that have recpect and is chivalrous for women. First will not have any deep relations, secound oppisite. Then how romances shoud work in RPG games ? This is the biggest question here. In general i think that most games have taken some sort of strange "influence mechanics" for any type of relations. For example you say to some female char "that you agree" boom you have +2 influence, you say you don't agree or have difrent opinion .. boom -2 Influence. Takeing this type of logic, only good guys that are buying flowers, and are in general very "gentle" and "caring" whoud have hottest chicks, from life we know that is not always like thing work In my opinion, romances shoud be done not so "opinion"/"Dialog" related, and be more "story" related. If story gives possibility of having romance, it is beter to add 1 romance per gender (so in canconical point of view 2) that can develop in may possible ways, not related to some sort of "mechanical influence" but on a dialog and "decision" we take in our game. For example, if you have elanee in a party, and you decide to kill a wolf, then you gain "-4" influence, but when shes not you will take no negative influence and you can romance her like nothing happend. Other issu is what some sort of story line and freedom of decisions we will have. For example if you are playing a game in with you coud be a advenchurer, noble lord or somethig else and you have a big freedom not only in "character custumization" but also a freedom in what way story will progress then this is not a question "will romances be good" but "how to add them" becouse for example noble lord whoud like possibly to have some sort of wife or mistress to make a heir of his "little empire" etc etc. But if we will only have only 1 possible way how story will progress then question is not "how to add romances" but "are romances fitting a story". Im for romances but only if ther are not "mechanical influencial agree or not agree" addons but story related content that is influenced by a story and influences story on it's own. Having romance, or not having shoud be "HEAVY" story related if it is deep emotional relationship, becouse having/not having some sort of "love" relationship shoud open or close some decision and directions in whith way story can progress. For example having romance with some female companion, shoud close possibilty to marry for political/ money reasions, some rich noble woman that coud be are ally. Only becouse of that i hope obsidian will not add "romance side-quests/ mechanical agree or not agree daiting sim elements" becouse i hope they will show in Pillars of Eternity 2 how romances shoud be done, and they create another way of adding romances i rpgs just as they did in BG2.

Lets not be silly now, in Medieval times women were married off from the age of 13-16 and she was older than that The fact that she is emotionally immature doesn't change the fact she would have been perfectly acceptable marriage or Romance material "Would have been" is the key phrase there. No one played DA2 in medieval Europe, and no one will play PoE in medieval Europe either. It's fine to write a romance that makes players uncomfortable because the object of romance seems immature, fragile, or naive--certainly I always felt this way with Merrill--but to say that everyone should just be cool because that kind of thing was totally all right during the medieval period is nonsense. Still... i didn't played DA2 ... but i know she was 2 times older then the guy who in your opininion has "pedophillic undertones" ... are you people sane ?!

You missed the point entirely. Chris has gone on record at least a few times with his distaste for writing romances. I was laughing at the thought of Feargus or someone else asking him to write them and his subsequent reaction to the request. And at the begining i was laughing about how porly they designed NWN2 in every possible aspect. I was laughting that they must go Kickstarter to get founds for their game, and i was laughing when anyone of your ever thinked that this whoud be next BG2 ... We already know that this will be cross bread between nwn2 and icewind dale ... But still how many people baced this game becouse it's supose to be BG2 and Torment inspired ? 3/4, the only people that can be glad are those who wanted next Ice Wind dale ... And mayby becouse of that laughing Chis never made good game, becouse both fallout 2 and Apha protocol had his downfalls ... (funny theat romances never made him laght in alpha protocol, and possibly the only good game he ever did) ... oww... sorry .. Torment was good .. but wait a second .. we alrady cut our torment influenced in PoE ... so ....clone of Icewind dale .. crossbreed with nwn2 2 biggest fails from rpg perspectiv let me "laught" about that buahahaha

If they son't change, your interest whoud be dying thru the whole story becouse in most cases people are asking "how will his future look like", if he doesent develop ... then propably the same as in the time you met this char

OK ... so being inmature = pedophilic undertones ... If it was normal all off as whoud be virigins, becouse ech 1 time whoud be consider as "pedophilic undertones". pedophilic undertones are like "man age 40 .. has sex with 16 old girl" or, "mature guy has sexual, erotic fantasions about unmature character regardel if she had 15 men already or she was a virgin", other "adult women age 24 is sexualy teasing 15 old boy virgin" ... Being in "sexual inmature" camp is not the same "pedophilisc undertones ... besides she was 2 TIMES MORE OLDER then he was ... so what .. having sex with 40 old virgin is pedophilic undertone ? the same type of logic as huging a guy and a girl in the same time makes you "bisexual" hahaha Besides ... DA2 was in the age inspired by middle age

I was, becouse ... thay alredy did this in previus games

And im amused that someone was looking for them them and waste their time for that, they can only post on some topic in forum. Unleass you where looking for it for your own ... lets say "purpuse"

Please try to move past Stage 1 in the grieving process (denial) and go directly to Stage 5 - acceptance. It's the healthy thing to do. QFT SMD

yhm ... So you to are a dev that knows that all people in a game are not loving anyone and don't have sex ? From what source ? You are a dev or you just think that you eaten all mind in universe and if you did not show this on a game forume then you will not be the coolest trolls ever lived ?

Only thing that makes a good char is how is this char realistic and non one dimentional (how ever there are some one dimentional char that still are realistic). For example, how will most people react if they see blood and gore ? In reality : -Their run, their cry, thei are looking for help, or if they are "police-officers" "mayby" investigate .. In most horror movies: -Thay split up and all go investigeting so they are better targets for the murdurer ... How people react when they have to deal with a mystery that is related to them : In reality: -They whant to know answers In most games: -They are avoiding the subiect and react like it never happer (becouse if they where "looking for answers to quickly they will destroy whole "mystery" to soon"... How a man react to a beautyfull woman confesing her feelings or kissing him (beautyfull from his perspectiv). in reality: -He kisses her/ answering for the kiss mayby even they have sex. Somethimes it Develops in some kind of relationship, sometimes not In most romance books or films: -He is pushing her away and saying ... "no we can't .. its ... to soon" ... or .. " no you are to perfect to be kissing me im a worthless pice of ...." In most games: -They allways have sex and cutscene (almost), and after they finish you gain advancment "romance comlepe 100%" and no further developnemt. there are many examples ... by i what to play living characters .. not some kind of "psychical" superhumans that have no feelings, no development and acting acording to some "big plan" almost as they where nothing more then and artist pawns that he plays...

No there are, but not with PC. How can you tell there are not shot-gun wedding or "farmers daughter" roamce or romance between one companion with another, if you are not a dev and don't played that game ? You are still Trolling ?

Yeah but paing "after" they made this game is in my opinion also important (or even more at this stage). Becouse you will be founding possible continuation and "rewording them" for a good job. So it's also important. I don't know much about dollars (i live in difrent country) but it will propably be not to much expensive .. expecionally like blizzard games where you must pab 4 times normal "game prize" to get actual game and every "playtru" for every part is propably lesser then 8 hours.

"Role" playing game .. hmmm Date sim = some type of role, RTs = role of a "commander", "chief" that must have good stratedy, menagment sim = Menagment role, Civilisation sim = simulator of the "god" or "chef of that civ" role, mmo = .... i agre no role play .. , shooter =Mostly action with a possibility od a role (if have writhing and storyline) has pissibility to roleplay character that is shooting, movie = also some role. now what means "play a role", have some influence and react on you own will (like it was you in such situation) ... is there a good rpg without any time of previos elements ? ...no even baldours gate have some sort of money menagment, So you must propably want to role play a doll, or a cat to not having some "menagment" in game ... (but even cat must now how many food he must to eat, to not die with a hunger or die from overfattness ..) ... so i sugest a rock a levels up to be more rockish .. Seriusly ... rpg is not only a "term" for a game that some char is gaining levels .. and im not even taliking about "dateing sim" elements becouse there are at least 6-7 games in western "block" that have those .. (and still people are crying)

Nothing that can be modded will be spared creepy sex mods. And realy is it bothering you so much that you can't lett it down ? Seriusly, if some one mods the game and then relises a mode, then i don't understand why it's bothering you so much. I personaly think that you must be one of those guys that play does mods actually, but actually in the eyes of the other you try to look as "non-sex-mods-fan" becouse it's in some way emberasing you ... Seriusly ... if someone like to made his game inu a porn then why not let him ? Uleas he is forceing you to watch. Besides, how many games has does type of mod ? Sims 3, New Vegas, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and oblivion ... yeah ... 99% of games ever made ! In my opinion it's better to alow the player to have "low quality" sex mods, becouse it's also adds an possibility of having better ones ... for example how many bug fixing, quest/companion/localization adding mods for skyrim are and how many sex mods 2-3 ? hmm... in the poll if i recall there where abou 3 hundret people FOR romances and 1 hundred aginst, so MOST people want romances 3 peoples want 1 don't. Sill this one person can play the game not engadeing in romance (even i biowere games if i recall). The olny reason, why most people seeing this topic think that "there are more romance haters then pro-romancers" is that the most trolls, and illogical Zealots are on the "romance haters" side. As we see in the first 6 pages of this topic there are more trolling then "conversation". So many of people that woud like to see romance are not wasteing their time with discussion with such persons (and for examle im not talking about you) So calling people that whoud like to see romances "there is something with them" is a bit silly. And even sex in my opinion in not "weird" becouse today games are more like interactiv videos then "mario bros" type of games. The last question "why people are not giving up on this ?" Becouse their where never fighting or "pushing" obsidian to do them. If obsidian sad that thay will not do them then thats okey, but still it doesn't meat that all pro-romancers must "shut-up" becouse some zealots don't like it, this is still a topic even if not "about adding romances" then for "why they cut that out" or "why i think they are doin't wrong" or "why i think that inputing romances whoud make this game better" or as you "why people ar still consern about this" or as some of you people "yeaaahh... proromancers ... DIE" ... Proromancers are not talking to them selfs, Coversation must be done on two sides (there must be more then 1 side of view, and people that are pushing them). And the most funny thing is that the most posts in this thred are made by people that don't want romances (both logical, zealots, trolls, etc) so they are mosty pushing this conversation foreword.. not proromancers ...

Wait a minute, Merril in Dragon age orgins was adult, when Howk was a kiddo running from the "blight". Howk grown up, had romance with char that is 2 times older, and still it has "pedophillic undertones" ?..... .

Well so what to your so what which links to his so what which really means I'm saying so what to..... Thanks Amentep....now I'm completely confused I didn't evenr respond to this becouse it was unrelevant to what i was saying. I was saying, that all kind of relationships coud be gone badly, not only romances. So What ? We shout cut off all types of relationships becouse they coud been badly designed ? Almost no one argu about "badly besidned friendship, or hate" and there are no one that what to cut the off becouse of it and say "let's not add frienship becouse it CAN be badly designed" ... And he is saying ... "So what to you So what ?! Devs already sad they whoud not adding romance to a game becouse they think that they can't do it right. And they are promising interestig comapnions, im not anti-romancer but i also think that this is not the only way to make interesting game" And i personality don't see any contection to mine post so this is type of a discussion "hey i want good storyline ,, hay and i want a good longsword :P"

The biggerst difrence : 1. Obsidian was funding this game from kickstarter becouse propably no-one beside of fans whanted to suport them 2. Biowere is makeing AA+ game with incredibly budged and have no "money problem" The best recomendation so far expecionaly takeing Dragon age 2 dissaster .. (many of their fans turn away from them) and mass effect 3 ending dissaster. And im not biowere fan boy, but im not also blind obsidian zealot that does't sees that. Both of comanies have their UPs and Downs .. For and example Neverwinter Nights 2 oficial was a dissaster also, propably the same level of char wrighting like Leliana but at least she wasn't one dimentional like elanee, khelgar, grobnar, zjievie, quara ... but also we have 2 vwry good writter chars Sand and Ammon Jerro .. Next Example Dragon Age, have leliana and Wynne that where wery "pissing me of" but also one od the best romance arc and char "Morrigan" (but sadly unfinished so they destroyed good begining of it) I don't recall so many dimentional char as Morrigan (unleas someone was only offending her) she was a with, she was a woman, she was cold and sometimes even warm

Since the box is open and Schrodenger's cat either exists or doesn't (in this case, doesn't as we get no romances), we've moved from the theoretical realm of "romance" paths vs "friendship" paths vs "rivalry" paths to whether a game with no romances (PoE) would be impreoved by the inclusion of romances. Which simply isn't the case since it could be done poorly and the loss would actually makes for a better game (which is, after all, essentially the reasons the developers decided not to have romances in the game - that they didn't they could do it to their standards). so what ? Romance, friendship, hate, rivality shoud be cout of from the game becouse then can be "badly besingend' ? So what leveling up, and char progresion also becouse "in can be badly" designed ? Sory romance may be a badass in storytaleing ... but obsidian say thay can't... biowere is trying ... so i don't know what is better ... (you will never be master in any subiect if you don't make mistakes) ...

I might have chosen a different example to make that point. Probably a good writer, who doesn't think that all the smoke blown up his posterior means that droning on and on endlessly is exactly what he should do. On topic: THERE ARE NO ROMANCES IN THIS GAME. THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD GO ELSEWHERE. No .. their are .. unles you char was created from the air .. not ... man woman loving See the biggest font ... im greatest