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Monte I find myself agreeing with you 100%...is something wrong with me?

If you watch the vlog post I linked in the OP you'd see she suggests that another reason romance won't always work is that romance is very personal. We all dig on different things. I like brains and courage, and... well anyway. You get the idea. But good parental traits are pretty stable. You can watch a Zulu mom and child and go 'aw...' just as easily as a Scottish mom and child. I hear you but that's what I am sort of saying and its also what the lady in the video is suggesting. The father\daughter relationship does resonate with almost everyone on some level. Its easier to implement on some games than Romance, but it will only work in some games. I also don't buy the view that we are seeing a resurgence in this type of dynamic because the developers are in the 30's and 40's as this is something that they can identify with as they have families. The decision to include Relationships is not up to the developers but rather the Game Producer and the company that ultimately owns the IP. They will make a game and include features that will ensure the game sells the most copies and is popular with fans. It's like saying Todd Howard from Bethesda who is married with kids should have included the whole Father\Daughter dynamic in Skyrim but instead you got these arguably silly marriage options which was what most people preferred and made sense in the game setting I am not saying that father\daughter doesn't have a place but it won't replace standard Romance as its not the best option for what people want who do care about these things

While I don't mind a woman with tattoos, those do not look very good. She is really pretty and clearly someone intelligent which is generally a must for me when I meet ladies when I am sober but those tattoos also don't do it for me at all. And as Hurlshot said it does detract from her natural beauty

Maybe you didn't understand the story in GTA4? That could be the reason you never got into it and didn't have fun

Good points, I am moving you out of my " I hate romancers on the Obsidian forums " group

I'm not anti-romance. I'm not romance has to be in the game either. If romances are included, I want them to fit the game and the characters and not limit the viability of not romancing NPCs. If they're not there I still expect robust NPCs to have other kinds of human relationships with. I know you aren't, I didn't mean to suggest you were with that generalization. Besides I use the term "anti-romance" more tongue and cheek as I have heard many good arguments around how Romance should be implemented from you and others

I see what you mean. That the devs are chaps with families. I'd really like to know what 'our' devs think about this. On some level it makes sense. (in the way that ideas look good on paper) I think we need, and can expect, to see more of this. The average age of gamers is supposedly somewhere around 30. This puts them at late teens/early twenties to play Baldur's Gate II, the game that really kicked off RPG romance. But also at the right age to play games like Lunar and Final Fantasy VIIat the peak. And now they're the same people raising children. I expect in about another decade we're going to see the mid-life crisis as a topic in videogames. I'm sure there are. I'm not trying to paint the now as if it's a revolution. But I suspect there's a bigger audience for it than ever before. Nah, I doubt the Father\Daughter relationship is anything more than an experiment that would only work in Zombie apocalypse games. You don't get anything more dramatic and tear-jerking than that type of dynamic (well maybe boy and dog relationships like Old Yeller ) . Its all about making an impact and appealing to a certain emotion that resonates with most people. Its no different to normal Romance we see in Bioware games. I know you aren't suggesting this but don't expect a paradigm shift in the way relationships are portrayed in RPG or games generally. The "normal" Romance is what most people expect and want

I wouldn't count on it unfortunately. Hi Alan Welcome back, where have you been?

I admire the way you can simplify these discussions Ulquiorra. And its good to have you back and commenting, I was getting outnumbered by the anti-romance people

I love the Saints Row games and the new GTA trailer does nothing for me. Really? I'm not sure if you are joking, I don't want to turn this into a SR vs GTA discussion but you can't possibly compare the outlandish and exaggerated gameplay antics of the SR4 trailer to the real living world of GTA5? Both look good but GTA5 is on a different level and it always has been? It's about what you're looking for in a game: If you're looking for gritty realism and going through an emotional roller coaster as the characters struggle with the morality of their actions, then GTA V definitely looks suited to that. Me, I want to cause ridiculous amounts of chaos and just have crazy, unfettered, over the top, juvenile fun. Having super powers, running around naked and punching people in the ****, and shooting aliens with a dubstep gun is definitely well suited for that. Well said, you have posted what I have been trying to say I think a while ago on another thread you also described the SR genre in a similar way and I thought " yes that's exactly how I see SR games "

Nah, nothing beats Isabela in her pirate boots. That's REAL relationship dynamics

I hear you, I don't think anyone is questioning how abhorrent the hoax was under the circumstances.

I do agree that SR looks cool but for me it looks like mindless fun. Aliens and Superheroes, a big change from the earlier games but yes it will be fun That's a good point actually and maybe why we disagree on what trailer appears more entertaining. I want to totally immerse myself in a virtual world where even the golf games take time and slowly build my criminal empire while exploring every nook and cranny of the GTA5 world. But swinging a bat at aliens will be fun but its a secondary objective when it comes to these types of games So this seems to be purely a debate around what type of game we prefer

I believe she committed suicide due to the shame of being hoodwinked and allowing the call to go through. I don't think she was fired. Did she take it too personally? In my books yes I think she did but it doesn't change the reality of the shame she felt. So the hoax caused her suicide and that is something the DJ have to live with

I love the Saints Row games and the new GTA trailer does nothing for me. Really? I'm not sure if you are joking, I don't want to turn this into a SR vs GTA discussion but you can't possibly compare the outlandish and exaggerated gameplay antics of the SR4 trailer to the real living world of GTA5? Both look good but GTA5 is on a different level and it always has been?

But you find me very funny, right Malc ? You always seem to laugh at my jokes

I clearly remember this tragic incident, but I am confused how she can sue the radio for not providing a safe workplace? The 2 DJ's played a hoax and then one of them is still off the air but somehow this is related to the workplace not being a safe place?

If I'd have to guess, it's probably because I can have a picnic with friends in RL, but I can't really kill people. Well....I can. But the last time I tried there were practical complications. But Trashman how do we know that a game where we can have a picnic in different outdoor environments wouldn't be fun. There could be exciting things that happen like maybe ants attack the picnic basket or it starts raining? Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be even a little interested in a game like that

Wow that website has some amazing designs around creatures, nice one Polina

That's a good start and well done but in life we have to honest with ourselves. If you can't run more than 5 minutes you are horribly unfit. But you already know this and as your fitness increases your endurance will increase. Sorry if I sound harsh but I think honesty is the best policy when it comes to our general health. Keep us updated around your training I know. I run more than five minutes usually, just not at the pace my brother does. I'm unfit, there's no denying that and it is the reason I am doing this. When I run at my own pace, I usually run for half an hour. Still not good enough, but better than five minutes. Yesterday, I just wanted to see for how long I could keep up with my little bro without choking. I think 30 minutes is good so you obviously aren't completely unfit, I assume this is road running and not at the gym on a treadmill? Personally I think road running is harder than running at the gym

"little piker" The thought of a baby tossing holy water at zombies makes me laugh

Actually you make a good point despite the fact you are joking, what does it say about the state of our consciousness and society in general where we prefer to play a game that we get to kill people instead of a game where we get to explore the bountiful excitement of things like love and having picnics with friends? You have asked some salient questions that I think we all need to reflect on

That's a good start and well done but in life we have to honest with ourselves. If you can't run more than 5 minutes you are horribly unfit. But you already know this and as your fitness increases your endurance will increase. Sorry if I sound harsh but I think honesty is the best policy when it comes to our general health. Keep us updated around your training

@ Walsie Life is not about smiling especially when we have so much global political developments to discuss " I slept and dreamt that life was beauty but then woke and realized that life was duty "

You are obviously joking and even if you aren't its a funny post. But no I wouldn't buy a game like that as it would get very boring. I can stream porn if I want to watch something similar to what you are suggesting but not in a game.