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I think he was only speaking about countries which are white majority. Once you venture into areas with different dominant ethnic groups things are different. Of course South Africa also has that history that makes things more complicated than say, in Thailand or something. Fair enough, South Africa is probably a bad example because you could say due to our past its not surprising some black people are racist..or at least come across like that

Really? That's a rather...bold claim. I'm looking forward to your proof that everyone in the world is, in fact, guilty of some form of racism. Come now Amentep, don't play the old " well prove that everyone in the world is racist " card ...its intellectually dishonest If that was how we disputed a point we would never go anywhere ever with our debates. You know what he meant

No. I'm saying that trying to put these forms of racism on the same level is absolutely absurd. And it's pathetic some white people try to highjack these discussions by saying "but white people face racism too!!!". No, you don't. One group, the white people, can basically shrug it off and get on with their lives. For other groups, it is a large part of their life they simply cannot ignore, in a way, it is their life. (p.s. as might be obvious by now, English is not my native language. It's not even my second language, so that might cause some difficulties... For those that wonder: I'm Dutch. And purely from a technical standpoint, Dutch isn't even my native language. I speak a fringe minority language at home ) I need to add something important here, I agree with most of what you say but I'm not sure that I agree that white people can't be victims of racism by black people. I am a white South African who lives in South Africa and I tell you with absolute certainty that there are some black people in South Africa who are definitely racist towards us. Yes it is shaped by the past, they are bitter for a variety of reasons that include the fact that they haven't achieved economic success in the new South Africa, in fact there is a racist slogan that says "one settler, one bullet "which really translates to " kill the white people " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Settler,_One_Bullet This is still used today and is considered hate speech in South Africa and people can face legal prosecution for saying this But I agree the racism we experience is not this deep and implacable racism that some black people have faced for generations and is more caused by frustration, however it does manifest itself as bigotry. Its more annoying than anything else but its still a form a racism and this shouldn't be denied ?

I really thought you were going to give me an irrefutable example of how "I make assumptions about groups of people ", in fact I have asked for evidence of that several times and I haven't one valid response. This is no different I have explained several times now that what I meant is I don't make assumptions like " all Russians are homophobic " or " all Americans are warmongers " In your apparently " glaring " example of me doing this you are saying this is not true because I used the words " am sure we will now hear " but I also said the words " most straight people " ...the operative word being "most "..that is not the same thing as me saying " all straight people " And if I say I think person x is a bigot that is not the same thing as me saying " all people who said this are bigots " The funny thing is I have no issue with you actually proving me wrong, so I encourage you to go back and read all my posts and give me a real example of where I said " all people are xxx or all people are yyy" So I still have no idea why you say something got stuck in your throat because I see no contradiction in my posts? Ooo ... kay, I'm not quite sure whether to simply shake my head at this point or if I would be better served by slowly backing away with no sudden movements. ... I mean seriously, I literally spelled the reason your reaction bothered me for everyone to see and you come back with "Please explain why you are bothered by my post." As for making assumptions and since this thread is starting to drift away from baselessly people of being homophobic to racism I'll ask a simple question; since it's apparently fine to make assumptions provided that we preface them with the disclaimer of "I only meant most and not all." Does that make the statement; "You must be one of the good ones." any less offensive to my Mick ancestors when they were being discrimated against because of their country of origin and religion? What about the other minority groups who had that statement thrown into their faces, perhaps most notably and recently against black people. ---- Oh, and since no-one offered to take me up on my joke in the other thread I'll provide the punchline at this time ... "a sixpack and a potato". I am not sure you and I are even on the same page anymore with this debate I am challenging the notion that you said " I make assumptions about groups of people " If you arent saying that now then I'm not sure what we are debating. If you are saying you still found my comment to be offensive thats fine, I am not going to presume to tell you how you should interpret my posts. Sorry if you assumed I was necessarily talking about you but I have idea how your parents treated you so I can't say if you were included in the point earlier I made where I basically said " most straight people haven't had there parents tell them they wish they had been aborted " ...if your parents did say that to you then you have my sincere condolences because as I said to Mungri that's cruel and unfair If that's not what you talking about then I still don't understand exactly what I said that caused something to get stuck in your throat because I am missing how what I said to Mungri is relevant to my self-importance ....that the bit I really don't get And yes you are correct, to say to some ethnic group " you must be one of the good ones " is offensive and patronizing but once again that's not what I said or meant. And I don't know how many times I can keep explaining this

Yeah I saw this on another website, its just example of the Putin regime clamping down on freedom of speech and expression in Russia

That is correct Afrikaans and it is different to Dutch on certain levels How would you say that in Dutch?

I really thought you were going to give me an irrefutable example of how "I make assumptions about groups of people ", in fact I have asked for evidence of that several times and I haven't one valid response. This is no different I have explained several times now that what I meant is I don't make assumptions like " all Russians are homophobic " or " all Americans are warmongers " In your apparently " glaring " example of me doing this you are saying this is not true because I used the words " am sure we will now hear " but I also said the words " most straight people " ...the operative word being "most "..that is not the same thing as me saying " all straight people " And if I say I think person x is a bigot that is not the same thing as me saying " all people who said this are bigots " The funny thing is I have no issue with you actually proving me wrong, so I encourage you to go back and read all my posts and give me a real example of where I said " all people are xxx or all people are yyy" So I still have no idea why you say something got stuck in your throat because I see no contradiction in my posts?

I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, Cape Town is awesome. I am flying back to Joburg tomorrow night South African girls are good fun, its great you had an opportunity to party...I looooove Tequila

So, you're saying a fictional character in a fictional game isn't even fictionally free to prefer fictional women to fictional men. . I'll just repeat what has been repeated probably a million times by now, it's trans-misogynistic because it unfairly maligns an already historically-oppressed group, because it has absolutely no context other than to offend, that somehow, a "genetic" woman turned into a man is somehow shameful. This is in essence is what the issue is for me, the person kills himself because he had sex with a transgender person. She would have looked like a women and had the physical characteristics of women so she would have had a vagina so the actual act of sex would have been normal but then the guy suddenly finds out that she use to be a man and suddenly the mental image is enough for him to kill himself because of the " shame" But he had no issue during the sex, so of course it is offensive How would any heterosexual male feel if a women killed herself after having sex with you ? How would you not be offended that just the physical act of consensual sex with you was enough to warrant suicide ?

Yet you still managed to comment on this thread despite your annoyance ...weird one that. It obviously can't bother you that much

Yeah, that's a good way of wording it " not having a strong diet education " and " being able to eat what you want now " Of course we also know that in some poor communities obesity is also an issue because junk and take-away food is cheap and prevalent. For example Organic food is more expensive than normal food. In South Africa not everyone can afford Organic food which is the healthier option

Sorry, that wasn't my intention

Good point, that is valid Interesting development but since Apartheid ended I have noticed a real problem around obesity amongst some sectors in the growing black middle class...you must see how fat our politicians are This is to be expected because healthy eating has been inculcated in white culture for years ( and we also have issues with obesity) but the same views around what you should or shouldn't eat aren't as prevalent in black South African culture, plus you now have much more spending power so of course this will lead to a period of people eating loads of junk food and initially getting overweight But this should rectify itself as time goes on

Because it accurately describes who we've been opposed to for (at least)the last 8 months? I do admit, whenever I see another self-hating white male nerd I must laugh at the cuck. Anyone else pick up on how SJWs are composed of the groups they dislike the most? Yaaaay, I knew you guys would get this topic back to what you really enjoy discussing the most " questioning SJ causes and finding contradictions in the SJ narrative " And thats fine, personally I prefer it as well. So lets not pretend we want to really discuss '" bias in the gaming industry " ...that was been discussed to death @ KP No I have never noticed that and I have to say that makes no sense as it would be a counterproductive to have people we criticize in the movement. And consistency is important to get a message across and to get that message to resonate with people

Yeah you guys are lucky, being selective about what vegetables you can eat is more a first world country consideration Where I come from many people don't know where there next meal is coming from and don't say "no " to basically any food....hunger is a reality some indigent people really live with on a daily basis Now that my journey on the guilt-trip train is done please excuse me....my lobster thermidor is getting cold

Holy Smoke Gfted1..why do you hate vegetables so much....its inevitable that the day will come when there will be a valid SJ movement that prevents and or criticizes any vitriol against our green and healthy friends. So my advice is rather get into the habit now of not being accused of excoriation against veg, rather be on the right side of history from the beginning....less regrets and consternation later

I have an issue with his some of his reviews because its always the same, he basically dismisses everything and turns normal gaming components into a joke with his high-speed way of talking Yes he is funny, but its easy to criticize something. Its much harder to be constructive. But I don't dislike him, I don't dislike any gaming journalist. He is just not my primary source for reviews about games

I wasn't sure what "SIJW " actually meant, now I do. I'll remember that

Oh, if only I could like this post more than once. And that last paragraph should... kudos. You took the words right out of my mouth I was saying to Serdan how I spend most of my time on these forums on the Off-Topic where I try to raise issues around SJ and most of the time people aren't really that interested...so I use to feel I was one of the few people who seemed to care. But after reading many of the comments in this thread and others its been very reassuring to see there are many people who share my views and refuse to accept discrimination on these forums. So this entire discussion has been great The only thing I do nowadays is I say " I care about SJ values " and not " I'm a SJW ". They do basically mean the same thing but what I have noticed is an immediate dismissive attitude if you say " SJW " because that has become a term to describe people who want to change everything that people claim to hold dear. And even though we shouldn't have to not use the term SJW its much easier to initiate dialogue if you just avoid that word. The discussion can be exactly the same and thats what matters to me, the discussion. Frankly I don't care what people want to call me, I just want to debate the issues I feel are relevant to achieve a more equitable and tolerant society

I'm not that bad but I do eat Pizza with a knife and fork

Do you guys use a knife and fork to eat a hamburger? I always do but after watching food shows like Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives it appears you should use your hands to eat a good burger

Really, isn't a core ingredient of guacamole Avocado? Yes, but not all guac tastes a ton like plain avocado. Some are more like .. hot chunky salsa with some avocado mush in it. Fair enough

Really, isn't a core ingredient of guacamole Avocado?

Wowzers that does look good You have very similar tastes to me, additions like bacon and avocado can only improve an already tasty burger Its interesting how they offer both guacamole and Avo as separate items so theoretically you could have both even though they are very similar

This, games are really completely different Personally I enjoy both types of games. But I prefer your more classic RPG with real dialogue options like PoE But games like Grimrock are very entertaining in there own way