BruceVC

If you can prove it, then go ahead. As it is, I've provided data to support the view that austerity doesn't deal with unemployment and have argued that short-term issues, such as unemployment, should be addressed and solved before long-term issues. In response, you've provided nothing to support your statements. It should be pretty clear you won't be able to convince me with emotional arguments so if you want to prove me wrong you'll have to prove that austerity measures will result in a more stable economy than stimulation when dealing with a depressed economy. My views on Greece are influenced by the evidence I've seen, not a long-winded New Zealand resident or a sassy bloke who is too leet for me. This may surprise you, but I developed most of my opinions outside of these forums. And a middle-aged libertarian who likes to fight in tunnels or a pro-EU Finn are not going to be biased? How so? So my views should be determined by the state I was born and not by independent thought? Fair enough, you don't seem to be influenced by others and you did your own research so I take that back I think we have reached an impasse on this debate around the whole unemployment relevance. Its fundamental to our views on austerity and one of us has to either agree its relevant or recognize its not. And I'm not going to admit its relevant in the context of the austerity metrics so lets just agree to disagree and engage in the next one So you're unable to back up your opinions with facts. Good to know. No as I said and linked earlier that page from BBC which was facts that unemployment was not part of austerity And lets not end a debate feeling the need to insult someone, this is not the GG thread

Yeah but as usual you are not able to answer anything as it seems. Right now you are just trying to spin it around and make a pointless debat about what? Patriotism? Which has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. I will give this quick answers because you seem to have the memory and attention span of a child and i allready went into more details on this in the past in other threads. Why i don´t like the EU is simple, because it is bad for my country and took away our autonomy, and we were lied and tricked into the Euro. I never said i hated the US, i specificly made it clear that a) i like the country and a lot that comes from it and b) have many friends there and generally speaking have nothing against the people there BUT that i despise everything Washington does in the world and to their own people. The values they preach (freedom, independence, democracy, etc) are nothing but a farce when there actions go into the complete opposite. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread here. Stay on the topic. Speaking of topic, Farage´s point of view on Greece, no matter what i think of him, i agree: https://youtu.be/94UcyJnRcGU You seem to be in a rush to get my responses? I just want to understand a little about what motivates you, most people ignore this question and I don't know why? Whats wrong about admitting what nationality you are Thanks for responding by the way, I just have a few more questions about your view on the EU What do you mean they took away your freedom? And how do you feel they lied ? Oh whatever, don´t answer at all, i don´t think you can make a reasonable answer, at last none that i can´t debunk anyway. I don´t care. I said autonomy and not freedom. I allready explained on how having not your own currency effectly hinders your own ability to influence your economy. I also allready told you that we get 70% of new laws directly from the EU (made by not elected politicans). A lot of this laws are stupidly worse what we had before and cost us a fortune AND have a negative impact (for our farming sector as an example). So here we are, a consitution that overrules ours, laws from a different source we have to realize and a currency we can´t control. Per definition that makes us (and any other EU country..well maybe not Germany because they influence the EU to much) a vassal state, subordinate to the EU. There is NOTHING good about this. I didn´t say feeling. I said they lied. Thats a factual statement. All promises on how we benefit from the EU turned out to have the opposite effect and there is no way they couldn´t know that, at last about some aspects. What however was a clear lie, is that during the campaign for the EU accession it was promised all the time that we would have and keep our currency and would NOT get the Euro. Sometime after the referendum (one that was called faul by a lot of lawmakers) they turned around and forced us into the Euro currency without any referendum basicly saying "well we voted for the EU now we get the Euro as well". That is lying and nothing else. And i applaud everyone who tries to get out of this failed project and gets back his independence just like Farage said. Thank you for responding, now I understand, I don't share your view but other people have mentioned similar criticism about the EU so there is clearly some validity to it Sorry to ask you to repeat your questions but what would you like to know from me?

Or elected to public office as a Democrat. <cue rimshot> is (not) worth noting that in a poll conducted by nobody reputable, fully 1/2 of american democrats would support a limit on hate speech. democrats. *snort* in any event, we will observe that our most frequent disappointment regarding free speech is not that bigots and lunatics get to spew hate freely but rather that most americans do not use their speech rights to respond to the villains. americans, while less passive than most, is far too willing to stand idly by while their fellow human beings is tormented by evil men. there ain't no active duty to respond to hate, but surely there is a moral obligation to do so. we all too often see americans fail to live up to such obligations. we wait for a pundits to gather in a climate-controlled tv studio, miles and days removed from any actual bigotry and hate, to calmly debate the the issues facing american society. three minutes o' quasi-scripted dialectic ensues before the inevitable commercial break. are your clothes as clean as they can be? matthew mcconaughey drives a lincoln, and so should you. sitting at home, having watched the battle o' tin knights with paper swords, we cheer democracy and free speech and america. hurrah. HA! Good Fun! You see Gromnir you are in a very fortunate position to be able to intellectualize hate speech so you defend its usage even though you don't like it I live in a country where we haven't got to that point yet and people are very much effected by words . So we ban hate speech and certain words and its makes perfect sense The truth is certain words do matter and truly hurt some people in a palpable and psychological way. So why allow them? ban hate speech does not stop hate. it is our belief that banning hate speech has a tendency to increase hate. regardless, ban hate speech does not in any way solve the larger problems that created the hate. open and vigorous debate at least has the possibility o' curing problems. also, what if the folks spewing hate is right? what if we label folks and history proves that they were correct. hell, maybe they is wrong, but if they can't speak because their message offends, how much speech is chilled? is not many decades past that american blacks marching and protesting were considered disruptive. why can't the homosexuals just use their votes to bring about change instead o' their silly parades? those folks who disagree with US foreign policy is clearly communists and we need to shut-em up and blacklist 'em and whatnot. HA! Good Fun! You right, banning hate speech doesn't stop hate speech. is not what we said. ban hate speech does not stop hate. you limit expression and you cause the hate to seethe and fester. you can't fight hate by gaging bigots. all you are doing is creating a generation o' bigots who not only hate blacks or homosexuals or whomever, but they also hate and distrust the government for limiting their ability to express themselves. folks with nothing in common save for the fact that the government is silencing them is gonna become unnatural allies. you are exacerbating problems and instead o' dealing with those problems out in the open, you is gonna eventual need find 'em, dig 'em out and... what? the positives o' silencing bigots is obvious and it actual does resonate in most o' the world. in most democracies, as between an individual's right to speak and the competing right o' folks to be free o' the vile epithet, the world chooses to side with the victim rather than the bigot. that is the obvious choice. we think it is the wrong choice. HA! Good Fun! But your view is shaped on your views of the USA and you right in the USA you have generations of systemic bigots. Also the USA has to deal with a different type of bigot IMO But we have an alternative view, people stop using certain words in public because society just doesn't accept it and since Apartheid ended I can honestly say most people just know not to say these words. That's a victory for me, I don't care if people pretend not to be bigots and I don't know if there bigotry festers...I just know we have less hate speech

Or elected to public office as a Democrat. <cue rimshot> is (not) worth noting that in a poll conducted by nobody reputable, fully 1/2 of american democrats would support a limit on hate speech. democrats. *snort* in any event, we will observe that our most frequent disappointment regarding free speech is not that bigots and lunatics get to spew hate freely but rather that most americans do not use their speech rights to respond to the villains. americans, while less passive than most, is far too willing to stand idly by while their fellow human beings is tormented by evil men. there ain't no active duty to respond to hate, but surely there is a moral obligation to do so. we all too often see americans fail to live up to such obligations. we wait for a pundits to gather in a climate-controlled tv studio, miles and days removed from any actual bigotry and hate, to calmly debate the the issues facing american society. three minutes o' quasi-scripted dialectic ensues before the inevitable commercial break. are your clothes as clean as they can be? matthew mcconaughey drives a lincoln, and so should you. sitting at home, having watched the battle o' tin knights with paper swords, we cheer democracy and free speech and america. hurrah. HA! Good Fun! You see Gromnir you are in a very fortunate position to be able to intellectualize hate speech so you defend its usage even though you don't like it I live in a country where we haven't got to that point yet and people are very much effected by words . So we ban hate speech and certain words and its makes perfect sense The truth is certain words do matter and truly hurt some people in a palpable and psychological way. So why allow them? ban hate speech does not stop hate. it is our belief that banning hate speech has a tendency to increase hate. regardless, ban hate speech does not in any way solve the larger problems that created the hate. open and vigorous debate at least has the possibility o' curing problems. also, what if the folks spewing hate is right? what if we label folks and history proves that they were correct. hell, maybe they is wrong, but if they can't speak because their message offends, how much speech is chilled? is not many decades past that american blacks marching and protesting were considered disruptive. why can't the homosexuals just use their votes to bring about change instead o' their silly parades? those folks who disagree with US foreign policy is clearly communists and we need to shut-em up and blacklist 'em and whatnot. HA! Good Fun! So this is the part you are misunderstanding and most Americans don't agree with it You right, banning hate speech doesn't stop hate speech. But I believe you can never stop some people discriminating...that's just the way the world is. There will always be someone who hates gays or gays or resents successful women But thats not our goal for me in South Africa, we just want to remove its usage from civil society so we don't have to hear it. This of course has other positive consequences of certain words becoming socially unacceptable and I promise you people just don't use them even in public Of course this positive effect doesn't resonate with everyone but as I said I am not concerned with bigots

Yeah but as usual you are not able to answer anything as it seems. Right now you are just trying to spin it around and make a pointless debat about what? Patriotism? Which has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. I will give this quick answers because you seem to have the memory and attention span of a child and i allready went into more details on this in the past in other threads. Why i don´t like the EU is simple, because it is bad for my country and took away our autonomy, and we were lied and tricked into the Euro. I never said i hated the US, i specificly made it clear that a) i like the country and a lot that comes from it and b) have many friends there and generally speaking have nothing against the people there BUT that i despise everything Washington does in the world and to their own people. The values they preach (freedom, independence, democracy, etc) are nothing but a farce when there actions go into the complete opposite. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread here. Stay on the topic. Speaking of topic, Farage´s point of view on Greece, no matter what i think of him, i agree: https://youtu.be/94UcyJnRcGU You seem to be in a rush to get my responses? I just want to understand a little about what motivates you, most people ignore this question and I don't know why? Whats wrong about admitting what nationality you are Thanks for responding by the way, I just have a few more questions about your view on the EU What do you mean they took away your freedom? And how do you feel they lied ?

If you can prove it, then go ahead. As it is, I've provided data to support the view that austerity doesn't deal with unemployment and have argued that short-term issues, such as unemployment, should be addressed and solved before long-term issues. In response, you've provided nothing to support your statements. It should be pretty clear you won't be able to convince me with emotional arguments so if you want to prove me wrong you'll have to prove that austerity measures will result in a more stable economy than stimulation when dealing with a depressed economy. My views on Greece are influenced by the evidence I've seen, not a long-winded New Zealand resident or a sassy bloke who is too leet for me. This may surprise you, but I developed most of my opinions outside of these forums. And a middle-aged libertarian who likes to fight in tunnels or a pro-EU Finn are not going to be biased? How so? So my views should be determined by the state I was born and not by independent thought? Fair enough, you don't seem to be influenced by others and you did your own research so I take that back I think we have reached an impasse on this debate around the whole unemployment relevance. Its fundamental to our views on austerity and one of us has to either agree its relevant or recognize its not. And I'm not going to admit its relevant in the context of the austerity metrics so lets just agree to disagree and engage in the next one

I watched the whole video and it makes two valid points Rap music and hip hip does reinforce the gangster stereotype for African Americans If you only play games and do nothing else that would be unhealthy But now the bad I only liked one of those shrinks, the one who stated the obvious about how certain stereotypes look good for a reason The other shrinks seemed to making these generalized and cliched platitudes that we have been hearing for years about how " games are bad for you". I found them to be annoying and patronizing They are suppose to be qualified experts in understanding human nature yet seem to suggest that violent games might make you violent. Seriously .... Yeah this video is not high on my list of credible

Or elected to public office as a Democrat. <cue rimshot> is (not) worth noting that in a poll conducted by nobody reputable, fully 1/2 of american democrats would support a limit on hate speech. democrats. *snort* in any event, we will observe that our most frequent disappointment regarding free speech is not that bigots and lunatics get to spew hate freely but rather that most americans do not use their speech rights to respond to the villains. americans, while less passive than most, is far too willing to stand idly by while their fellow human beings is tormented by evil men. there ain't no active duty to respond to hate, but surely there is a moral obligation to do so. we all too often see americans fail to live up to such obligations. we wait for a pundits to gather in a climate-controlled tv studio, miles and days removed from any actual bigotry and hate, to calmly debate the the issues facing american society. three minutes o' quasi-scripted dialectic ensues before the inevitable commercial break. are your clothes as clean as they can be? matthew mcconaughey drives a lincoln, and so should you. sitting at home, having watched the battle o' tin knights with paper swords, we cheer democracy and free speech and america. hurrah. HA! Good Fun! You see Gromnir you are in a very fortunate position to be able to intellectualize hate speech so you defend its usage even though you don't like it I live in a country where we haven't got to that point yet and people are very much effected by words . So we ban hate speech and certain words and its makes perfect sense The truth is certain words do matter and truly hurt some people in a palpable and psychological way. So why allow them?

Ok, how do you do that in a non-draconian way ? Well yes you are correct the reality of non-draconian is subjective And when I say " my world " I mean a really popular forum that is very busy that I was in charge of So I would have the same rules as this forum, I wouldn't ban anyone because I feel even the controversial people like Oby add balance and to be honest I can't recall meeting anyone on these forums that warranted banning? I have never understood why some people really get annoyed by Oby...he is too much of a exaggeration to be taken seriously, you can't get angry with someone who you don't really know. It lacks conviction for me. Plus sometimes his theories make me really laugh as they are so bizarre. Remember that one about the lost tribe of Caucasians living in the mountains somewhere But I wouldn't allow posts of a similar nature that luzarius created about how the LGBT community destroyed Bioware because I see this as subtle hate speech I wouldn't have the "hot girls thread " but there would be a dedicated " Adult Section " that caters for all tastes But otherwise all other forum content would be acceptable

Just sounds like a really lazy way of not trying to condemn this behavior I sometimes call people out on their BS if it is warranted. Hello, Bruce.

You guys should just distance yourselves from GG....I honestly fail to understand why you feel the need to support this movement with all the outbursts of controversy. I would be too annoyed to be loyal Its called consistency i believ Sometimes you need to know when to quit, I know you Czech's can be stubborn but come on man time to jump ship

Just sounds like a really lazy way of not trying to condemn this behavior

You guys should just distance yourselves from GG....I honestly fail to understand why you feel the need to support this movement with all the outbursts of controversy. I would be too annoyed to be loyal

I'm sorry but you guys can't honestly tell me that you can objectively compare the two RPG's .....and I mean even for the RPG element You can compare Skyrim and Risen Witcher 3 and Skyrim DA:I and BG: EE Gothic 3 and Morrowind Fallout 3 and Stalker DA:I and Drakensang

Meshugger you thrive on this website, I can't think of why you would want to make yourself more depraved? You'll be happy in my world, trust me I think most of us that disagree with you on a regular basis on these forums are pretty copasetic in not drinkIng Jim Jones' magical elixir. Meshugger you thrive on this website, I can't think of why you would want to make yourself more depraved? You'll be happy in my world, trust me I think most of us that disagree with you on a regular basis on these forums are pretty copasetic in not drinkIng Jim Jones' magical elixir. Yes but I would obviously think of you guys and what entertains you, my world would be full of really annoying and pushy feminists and SJ warriors that keep making you feel guilty and then end up really embarrassing themselves and or completely contradicting themselves

Barti you seem nervous about something....do you have some sexual deviancy you feel you need to share with us ?

Meshugger you thrive on this website, I can't think of why you would want to make yourself more depraved? You'll be happy in my world, trust me

You really love your conspiracy theories, don't you... This thread is quite funny

I'm sure this graph reinforces the point being made that there are loads of creditors that the Greeks need to at least make some effort to pay back

I don't think you can really control that...what would be the definition of " lively debate " The more reasonable solution is simply to just prohibit certain topics or words but not in a draconian way. Like these forums are moderated

Got to be honest nothing in this thread I am finding interesting enough to engage in debate in ...sorry guys But I don't like starting a debate unless I feel I can commit to it

It doesn't have to be something you "actually want to do" for it to be something you want to be ABLE to do if you don't think royalty should be any more exempt from insults than the regular joe (or if you can envision a scenario...or if there's actually been one already...where it seemed appropriate for you to do so). Nah, that's just some pseudo-justification for people who don't want to be civil and maintain a level of decorum Both those things should be banned in the interest of a more peaceful environment. If people can't live without insulting policemen or the Dutch royalty than they should just immigrate You .......you....anarchist

Wait. How is my free speech not like yours? In fact i can say what the **** i want, about what the **** i want without less restritcitons than you do, without fearing a goverment agent knocking on my door. I can tell a police officer to **** off with out getting arrested. ****, you are living in a police state that can bring you into prison without much of an offense. I think you are being ironic but i can´t tell, because your link is useless and doesn´t prove anything. :> Really? Here in the Netherlands, it's a crime to insult public servants like police officers. I'm also not allowed to publish anything insulting regarding the royal monarchs. Which is a good thing considering how rude you Dutch can be And please dont say this is something you actually want to do ?

" a lot of people criticize the West (and particularly the U.S.) because they want the West to do better " That's cute, I admire that kind of naivety The people that dislike America and criticize it will vary with there feelings. Sadly many people actually really resent and or hate the USA . I don't know anyone that dislikes the USA because they want to improve it. Your next question should be " why " because I can promise you Barti 95 % of the reasons are uninformed, biased and exaggerated And you have this fairly large sector of the Muslim community outside the USA who automatically hate the USA because they are ignorant in most cases and believe the USA is on a crusade to surreptitiously destroy Islam " Yeah right you say....you exaggerating " sadly no. On these radio stations I listen to every single Muslim caller phones in and lambastes the USA ....they are completely brainwashed and intransigent and you cannot change there mind. They believe a whole host of conspiracy theories about the USA like The USA did 9/11 to itself so it can conquer the Muslim world The USA created ISIS The USA created Ebola to destroy Africa The USA illegally attacked Afghanistan I have tried to change there minds but its pointless...its really bad. But the good news is people like me support and defend the USA constantly ...in fact I get great satisfaction from proving with facts that people are wrong on the radio And why do I defend the USA...am I this sad sycophant who loves another country more than his own? No its about the strategic picture that the USA is the real foundation of Capitalism and Western ideology. We stand and fall with the USA whether we like it or not ..unless you a prefer a world dominated by Russia ? So of course I want the USA to succeed and make the right decisions

Oh so you know I'm pro-Western? I assume I don't have to ask you, I'm sure you are a patriot