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I have no issue with someone liking busty women and appreciating the features of a women but I am still surprised you guys cannot understand why it is unacceptable for the producer of a game to send an email that so publicly and crassly describes this appreciation of women. Its not what you say..its how you say it And they can produce any game they want that they think appeals to a certain demographic...that's not the issue

How is it discriminatory IN JAPAN if it meshes with JAPANESE culture? This makes no sense. Corporations are fictional entities influenced by culture. Then you're arguing using feelz instead of knowledge. No you don't understand, corporations aren't influenced by Japanese pop songs or controversial games. They have there own standards that govern them and yet they are part of Japanese culture. So you cannot say its " cultural " to have this type of sexism as corporations won't allow it

That's not an answer, and a dodge transition from "Japanese culture" to "the corporate world". It's alright if you can't back up your points, just admit it and move on. You're shifting the goal posts. Given the content in Anime, Japanse videogames, Japanse films and television, and other Japanse art comments such as those made by Takaki are not out of line with Japanese culture, more specifically Japanese pop-culture. Okay let me try this again This boils down to whether you think the update is insensitive or not. Lets say it is offensive then the majority of corporations wouldn't use language like that because they are bound by codes of conducts which always say things like " we respect the rights of individuals and believe in a non-discriminatory environment " So how much is corporate part of a culture? It doens't reflect everything but for a country like Japan the corporations are very influential And I don't believe all the other Japanese entertainment you mentioned is as sexist as this....but I haven't researched this

hm. by your comments, you have no idea about japanese culture. you may stop now... Yeah...good points ...except for the fact I am right and this wouldn't be normal for corporations in Japan

Why? Why is it juvenile? Okay someone else will have to explain this point because I cannot seriously believe you think these types of comments would be acceptable in the corporate world or most other environments?

NSFW Video on Sex in Japanese Culture NSFW At 1:04: "What the West would consider pornography is to them everyday entertainment". A more apt comparison would be comparing Senran Kagura to some mainstream television show, such as Gossip Girl or CSI. A Japense corporation didn't, the fellow who has been involved in Senran Kagura from the start did. Since this special message appeared, we know for certain he was he did so. So you can't prove your assertions. Good to know. You're going to have to prove yourself right first. It's perfectly acceptable, an artist is announcing he is going to do what he likes. Why do you find this unacceptable? Okay so I'm going to just focus on my view of the update and why it would be unacceptable for Japanese corporations because that is the main reason I am saying corporate Japan wouldn't use a similar message It seems weird to explain this as it seems obvious but he uses a comparison to women's breasts..completely inappropriate he then uses a really juvenile personal view to describe various women's attributes He is the producer of the game, what he says will be seen in the context of what the company stands for. That is how corporations work His two incongruous comments will reflect badly on him and therefore questions will be asked about the code of conduct that the company stands for

Yeah, so my point the whole time was this is not a accurate view of Japanese culture But its better it comes from you as people just don't believe me on this thread when I say things but I'm not complaining...I know the reason why

Seeing as you've offered no rebuttal to Messhugger and I's assertion that Takaki's special message was in line with Japaense culture(with Messhugger even going to post several videos, list a piece of artwork, and namedrop a film to support his argument), you're the one making baseless and uninformed statements. If you have evidence that shows that such humor is out of line, post it and refute what we're saying. Dude, follow your own advice. Read other peoples posts. if you don't believe me then believe Hurlshot....the Japanese would not be normally so sexist I've read all posts in this discussion and have found no evidence presented from anyone but Messhugger. I understand you rely more on feelz than facts, but you're going to have to provide some evidence that Japanese culture is not "normally so sexist" if you want to contest the points Messhugger and I have been making. KP, Hurlshot originally had a more detailed post. I wish he hadn't edited it because he is familiar with Japanese culture Then Hurlshot can come here and contest the point. As of now, no evidence contradicting that the Japanese have a very different understanding of sexuality than the West has been presented. Evidence or GTFO. What you believe doesn't count as proof. You really not thinking logically about this, I have told you several times that mainstream Japanese corporations wouldn't send an update like this So of course I can't produce something that doesn't exist. So maybe you can prove me wrong by producing another update from a Japanese company that demonstrates the same level of insensitivity ? But maybe we having the wrong debate, do you think the update was normal and acceptable ?

Seeing as you've offered no rebuttal to Messhugger and I's assertion that Takaki's special message was in line with Japaense culture(with Messhugger even going to post several videos, list a piece of artwork, and namedrop a film to support his argument), you're the one making baseless and uninformed statements. If you have evidence that shows that such humor is out of line, post it and refute what we're saying. Dude, follow your own advice. Read other peoples posts. if you don't believe me then believe Hurlshot....the Japanese would not be normally so sexist I've read all posts in this discussion and have found no evidence presented from anyone but Messhugger. I understand you rely more on feelz than facts, but you're going to have to provide some evidence that Japanese culture is not "normally so sexist" if you want to contest the points Messhugger and I have been making. KP, Hurlshot originally had a more detailed post. I wish he hadn't edited it because he is familiar with Japanese culture Just for the record I very seldom, if at all, rely on feelings. Almost all my views on based personal experiences and I can substantiate them. The Japanese are one of the most efficient, hard-working and industrialized nations in the world. I accept that there are issues of sexism in there culture but I find it hard to believe that corporations like Honda or Nintendo would allow a corporate update representing there company products and image to be linked with such a sexist update So maybe I need to rephrase, some people in Japan would use such comments but most wouldn't

Seeing as you've offered no rebuttal to Messhugger and I's assertion that Takaki's special message was in line with Japaense culture(with Messhugger even going to post several videos, list a piece of artwork, and namedrop a film to support his argument), you're the one making baseless and uninformed statements. If you have evidence that shows that such humor is out of line, post it and refute what we're saying. Dude, follow your own advice. Read other peoples posts. if you don't believe me then believe Hurlshot....the Japanese would not be normally so sexist Zora can I ask you favor, can you stop constantly saying And once again another inaccurate "comparison " I have no issue with a debate but the sole contribution Zora makes is to feel the need to keep saying " Bruce is a Troll " So this is directly related to me so once again another example of an inane comment that I will sometimes respond to Of course it is completely accurate; once again you dismiss anything called upon you without any introspection. Ever wonder why no one takes you seriously and dismisses you as a troll to begin with? Because the lack of logical coherency in your claims? Because of lack of rationale? Because of avoiding any form of principle? You decide. No, you just making these stupid criticisms about my posting etiquette and I refuse to agree with you I'll just say this once so there is no doubt and I'm mentioning this so you don't feel the need to bring it up again. I don't care if you or anyone else doesn't take me seriously ....do you really think I could have stayed active on a thread like GG if I was expecting a serious discussion from everyone all the time. My reasons for making certain points are based on principle and I''m well aware many people don't agree so they find other ways to dismiss them...like " You don't have principle " or ' you are SJ hypocrite because you go to strip clubs " You musn't worry about if people want to debate with me, I have plenty of interesting debates all the time

Zora can I ask you favor, can you stop constantly saying And once again another inaccurate "comparison " I have no issue with a debate but the sole contribution Zora makes is to feel the need to keep saying " Bruce is a Troll " So this is directly related to me so once again another example of an inane comment that I will sometimes respond to

Zora can I ask you favor, can you stop constantly saying " Bruce is a troll, just ignore him" I'm surprised someone as intelligent and observant as you hasn't realized that the people I debate with know exactly my debating etiquette. We really don't need you to feel you have to keep reminding people You sound like a stuck record and I have ignored it the first 10 times

Exactly my point....but lets not raise the glaring issue with writing such an update. Lets blame the people who point this out with "you don't understand Japanese culture " ( like such a thing would be acceptable in Japan in mainstream Japanese culture ) Oh please, if someone pointed out that Muslims treat women like subhumans you people would be railing against the evil racism of white supremacists. The fact is you have a problem with how the Japanese view sexuality and want then to confirm to your puritanical views on women's bodies. He's also responding to Vol's post. I'm not sure if you are being serious but please stop using words like " puritanical views " and " evil racism of white supremacists " You grandstanding on topics that aren't even accurate ...you are sounding like Nonek How cute. First you claim that Volo has opinions that almost should be illegal and now you're telling other adults on what to say. Atleast real fascists boast that they have the will to power to command over others through might alone. What's your excuse again? I don't need an excuse, I'm not a fascist. You guys just have an issue with hearing the truth and people criticizing inane points that you sometimes make Sniveling away, are we not? Either words or opinions are allowed or not. Either you let people speak or you wish them to shut up. Come on now, out of the closet already. Oh don't misunderstand me, I am completely supportive of people saying what they want But I battle to accept a baseless and uninformed criticism and I will challenge that

Exactly my point....but lets not raise the glaring issue with writing such an update. Lets blame the people who point this out with "you don't understand Japanese culture " ( like such a thing would be acceptable in Japan in mainstream Japanese culture ) Oh please, if someone pointed out that Muslims treat women like subhumans you people would be railing against the evil racism of white supremacists. The fact is you have a problem with how the Japanese view sexuality and want then to confirm to your puritanical views on women's bodies. He's also responding to Vol's post. I'm not sure if you are being serious but please stop using words like " puritanical views " and " evil racism of white supremacists " You grandstanding on topics that aren't even accurate ...you are sounding like Nonek How cute. First you claim that Volo has opinions that almost should be illegal and now you're telling other adults on what to say. Atleast real fascists boast that they have the will to power to command over others through might alone. What's your excuse again? I don't need an excuse, I'm not a fascist. You guys just have an issue with hearing the truth and people criticizing inane points that you sometimes make

Exactly my point....but lets not raise the glaring issue with writing such an update. Lets blame the people who point this out with "you don't understand Japanese culture " ( like such a thing would be acceptable in Japan in mainstream Japanese culture ) Oh please, if someone pointed out that Muslims treat women like subhumans you people would be railing against the evil racism of white supremacists. The fact is you have a problem with how the Japanese view sexuality and want then to confirm to your puritanical views on women's bodies. He's also responding to Vol's post. I'm not sure if you are being serious but please stop using words like " puritanical views " and " evil racism of white supremacists " You grandstanding on topics that aren't even accurate ...you are sounding like Nonek

I'm missing the relevance of this image ?

Exactly my point....but lets not raise the glaring issue with writing such an update. Lets blame the people who point this out with "you don't understand Japanese culture " ( like such a thing would be acceptable in Japan in mainstream Japanese culture )

There is nothing wrong with looking just don't be crass and derogatory afterwards In a strip club obviously you will be looking but you can still treat the girls with respect

You have a vaguely interesting accusation but as usual your premise is so horribly flawed it should almost be illegal I have no issue with him going to a strip club...but writing such a childish and offensive update is just not acceptable in corporate culture and many others. I thought it couldn't be real And you right, I have no issue with what women may say in that example....and if men want to do that its fine, I just won't do it

Why would he make such a strange comment? Is this a joke ? He is dead serious. Stop being so ignorant and judgemental of japanese culture. I doubt anyone would be so offensive That's in line with Japanese culture. Maybe you should check your privilege and not try to force your culture on him. No I don't believe you, and privilege has nothing to do with it. I am talking about universal themes and considerations that resonate with most people You don't understand Japanese culture and are trying to shove your values onto someone else. That's incredibly insulting to the Japanese and you should show them more respect. Thats rich coming from you who claims to " understand " Japanese culture and thinks sexist comments is normal for them....

I did some research and this appears to be his real comment .....what is wrong with this guy?

Why would he make such a strange comment? Is this a joke ? He is dead serious. Stop being so ignorant and judgemental of japanese culture. I doubt anyone would be so offensive That's in line with Japanese culture. Maybe you should check your privilege and not try to force your culture on him. No I don't believe you, and privilege has nothing to do with it. I am talking about universal themes and considerations that resonate with most people

Why would he make such a strange comment? Is this a joke ? He is dead serious. Stop being so ignorant and judgemental of japanese culture. I doubt anyone would be so offensive

Why would he make such a strange comment? Is this a joke ?

Lemme stop you right there cause I refuse to read further: This is so asenine, infantile and counter-intuitive to everything that gets taught about fairness. You are suggesting it is ok to charge me as guilty even without proof. That's exactly what you're doing right now. Grow up. You're just a dime-a-dozen loner on the internet who thinks he's super hip because he's so cynical and critical of others. In reality, it's all you know how to do and the only talent to your name, the end effect being that you make stupid, outrageous statements and stances like this every so often when you're truly limited on stuff to scoff at before stroking your ego about how superior you are for not being like us peons. Yes I'm being a **** right now, no I don't care. You've earned it. Nah you have Baro all wrong Yes hes cynical but he also doesn't suffer fools and can't abide by illogical behavior and false justifications for things.."like I support GG because of..." He is also very intelligent and well informed on certain topics so be aware a debate with him will be challenging