BruceVC

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11673533/British-spies-removed-from-operations-after-Russia-and-China-crack-codes-to-leaked-Snowden-files.html So this is the result of the Assange and Snowden type attacks on the West...I hope all the people supporting Snowden are happy, this is irrefutable proof that Snowden has weakened certain Western countries and there intelligence gathering abilities In summary Western intelligence agencies have been forced to pull back spies in Russia and China as some of Snowdens leaked encrypted documents have been cracked. This is a disaster as the Russians and Chinese are actively spying on Western countries, as is normal for most countries, so now the West is at a major intelligence gather disadvantage..hopefully this is restored in the future I hope this puts to rest finally the spurious view that " what Snowden did hasn't really hurt the USA "

And the extended military campaign 40 years ago during the Vietnam war is relevant to Assange how? Sorry, i had the illusion that you were arguing out of principles instead of the whim of the moment. The fact that you're incapable to tell the parallels between the cases is quite telling. The only spurious parallel I can think of is that the USA government lied about some of its military actions during Vietnam...and once again I fail to see how this relates to Assange posting confidential documents. Unless you feel Assange is the right person to bring the " truth " to the world ? And yes my argument is absolutely based on the principle No, you deliberately derailing leaks about TPP to the guy presenting the leaked documents as someone that should tried to high treason. But when presented with evidence that Ellsberg just did everything that you accuse Assange of with the Pentagon Papers you revert back to playing dumb. The circumstances were different, Ellsberg was charged with espionage and then the charges were dropped due to Nixon engaging in unlawful efforts to discredit him Assange is not a US citizen and right now doesn't face any charges in the USA. This may change and hopefully should So the two examples once again are not the same. And your Ellsberg example still doesn't vindicate a person posting confidential government documents on the Internet, I don't why this is so hard for you to understand? Hahahaha Nice backpedaling, you weren't even aware of the existance of the Pentagon Paper before i posted them, did you? You're a good soldier. No I wasn't aware of them, but I did read the link. I don't know everything Meshugger despite what you guys think

That's gastronomic heresy !!! Gastronomic heresy...you need to drink Red Wine with bolognese ...the same good Red Wine you made the bolognese with By the way I make a killer bolognese, it takes about 3 hours if you make your bolognese with red wine, then you is likely actual making a ragu... and we scoff at 3 hours. dry white wine, beef stock and milk is your traditional cooking fluids for a genuine bolognese. simmer MINIMUM 4 hours... if you is rushed. 5-6 is our typical simmer time. we actual serve the following day as is one o' the foods that is best when given a chance to reabsorb flavors after a night. but again, we almost always go ragu instead. HA! Good Fun! ps depending on your meat choice, your stock might change, but how many home chefs have veal stock on hand? we got chicken, beef, and veggie stock... and for a few months after thanksgiving we have turkey stock in the freezer. Sure, my recipe does actually say 4-5 hours But I have found 3 hours does work, I normally can't wait longer than that I don't use stock for my bolognese. The only liquid I add is 500 ml red wine and 1 tin of tomato puree and 1 tin of chopped tomatoes And then I add 250 ml cream or milk for the last 20 minutes. I use about 1 KG of beef mince

But in this case, the guy never dated his accuser. In fact, it seems that she initiated oral sex on him while he was blackout drunk. What preventive measures could he have taken to stop from having his girlfriend's roommate performing oral sex while he was passed out and accusing him of rape two years later? We could give him same helpful tips that we give women, don't drink too much, don't go in parties alone, don't dress up too sexy, don't be friends with members of opposite sex, don't be out in late, etc.. But we should know by now those tips are bull****. I'm being serious, what preventive measures can one take to prevent a situation like this? I would see this case as an anomaly, I doubt this is very common So you should be fine going out and meeting new ladies KP, no need to worry to much

I really hope he decides not to

I am not sure what exactly you mean by "initial accusation". This: Does not sound fair or reasonable at all. It sounds like satire frankly. Sorry I was referring to cases of rape outside of universities where you could go to jail, this university hypothetical is not about John going to jail

Ive been at the same place for almost 20 years. Huh. Maybe it's just an education thing, but we get a solid amount of people getting antsy to move on in between the 10-15 year mark. Some do, some stick it out. Once you hit 20, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel though. I was at my previous company for exactly 12 years

So you have no issue with sacrificing the innocent? You don't believe in "It is far better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man is wrongfully convicted"? Here is the thing if you've been raped nothing will change that. And while it is important to do your best to punish the guilty nothing can undo the crime. On the other hand you're giving criminals (false accusers) power to condemn innocent people. There is no equivalence here. It is NOT a re-balancing of a two dimensional scale. There is a different element entirely. mmm..good points raised. I don't believe innocent people should go to jail but I don't think this systemic advantage translates to that. This is about the initial accusation been seen as real, you still need to go to court to prove the charges

And the extended military campaign 40 years ago during the Vietnam war is relevant to Assange how? Sorry, i had the illusion that you were arguing out of principles instead of the whim of the moment. The fact that you're incapable to tell the parallels between the cases is quite telling. The only spurious parallel I can think of is that the USA government lied about some of its military actions during Vietnam...and once again I fail to see how this relates to Assange posting confidential documents. Unless you feel Assange is the right person to bring the " truth " to the world ? And yes my argument is absolutely based on the principle No, you deliberately derailing leaks about TPP to the guy presenting the leaked documents as someone that should tried to high treason. But when presented with evidence that Ellsberg just did everything that you accuse Assange of with the Pentagon Papers you revert back to playing dumb. The circumstances were different, Ellsberg was charged with espionage and then the charges were dropped due to Nixon engaging in unlawful efforts to discredit him Assange is not a US citizen and right now doesn't face any charges in the USA. This may change and hopefully should So the two examples once again are not the same. And your Ellsberg example still doesn't vindicate a person posting confidential government documents on the Internet, I don't why this is so hard for you to understand?

And the extended military campaign 40 years ago during the Vietnam war is relevant to Assange how? Sorry, i had the illusion that you were arguing out of principles instead of the whim of the moment. The fact that you're incapable to tell the parallels between the cases is quite telling. The only spurious parallel I can think of is that the USA government lied about some of its military actions during Vietnam...and once again I fail to see how this relates to Assange posting confidential documents. Unless you feel Assange is the right person to bring the " truth " to the world ? And yes my argument is absolutely based on the principle

Considering the level of abuse towards women in most societies I have no issue with them having a systemic advantage Its funny but despite all the women I have interacted with in my life I have never been accused of rape and neither have any of my male friends, yet I know women who have been raped So a systemic advantage seems like a good idea, I'm not sure why people are so worried?

And the extended military campaign 40 years ago during the Vietnam war is relevant to Assange how?

The pot calling the kettle black... Oh so I'm a bigot? You will need to provide links my Serbian friend or I will be forced to dismiss your post as just more " Anti-BruceVC propaganda "

Barti my darling I'm extremely disappointed that you think a good system of government is one where an outsider can undermine the national security of a government by posting confidential documents on the Internet? That is Assange's view of acceptable conduct. No government in the world would accept this, so I will give you time to reflect on this and then make another post ...you may want to rethink your opinion of Assange ? Re-think my opinion of Assange? I already said I wasn't a big fan of his...merely that, given the circumstances, his Western ideology is more agreeable with than our current Western governments'. Are you, again, suggesting that I should actually have a higher opinion of him? But thats the thing, the circumstances of Assange's actions are unequivocal. He posted confidential documents of the USA and other countries on the Internet. So either you support his illegal and damaging decisions or you don't? I'm not sure why anyone would support this but I can't read minds so I am interested in any justification for Assange's choices...and please consider the words "confidential " and "top secret " That's like saying a tapeworm that has fused with your intestine is beneficial because it can't be removed. Comparing large global corporations to a tapeworm is an analogy that I just cant accept..its unfair and unrealistic Lets take Microsoft for example, but this applies to all global companies. They invest in a country by hiring local staff, training people, providing services and paying tax. They also contribute towards social responsibility projects like helping to build schools and educate local people. This is a good system and is highly beneficial to the country invested in. I'm not sure what else you expect? A tapeworm does nothing good except for maybe keeping your weight down as it consumes the food you eat ?

.... what. am i reading. The funny thing is he really believes this, he is like luzarius on these forums. He has no compunction or concept of feeling embarrassed by making posts that demonstrate he is a bigot

But the west is tool for corporations that are behind all of the world's current problems. I won't deny that global corporations have at times acted unethically and have in fact negatively impacted the economic growth of some countries, I'm sure we have all read the book " Confessions of an Economic Hitman" but that is in the past. That view is very 1980's and how global corporations use to conduct themselves. Nowadays there is much more social responsibility and I firmly believe that corporations do more good than bad overall

That's gastronomic heresy !!! Gastronomic heresy...you need to drink Red Wine with bolognese ...the same good Red Wine you made the bolognese with By the way I make a killer bolognese, it takes about 3 hours

Looks good

Barti my darling I'm extremely disappointed that you think a good system of government is one where an outsider can undermine the national security of a government by posting confidential documents on the Internet? That is Assange's view of acceptable conduct. No government in the world would accept this, so I will give you time to reflect on this and then make another post ...you may want to rethink your opinion of Assange ? I stopped reading here. My original response was going to be "does it hurt to be so ignorant?", but then I realized that this is, in fact, perfectly consistent with what you've been saying all along, and it is also factually accurate. You had me going for a second there! I'll explain: by "Western ideology" you don't mean separation of powers, rule of law and popular sovereignty, because you have never explicitly alluded to this. No, by "Western ideology" you actually mean corporate plutocracy, consequentialism and authoritarian militarism. Viewed from this perspective, everything you have been saying is much more coherent and actually supported by facts. This is proof of what many have suspected all along: that you are a very successful troll, quite possibly someone else's alt, and at any rate, well acquainted with Poe's law. Bravo, good sir. Bravo. /golfclap I stopped reading here. My original response was going to be "does it hurt to be so ignorant?", but then I realized that this is, in fact, perfectly consistent with what you've been saying all along, and it is also factually accurate. You had me going for a second there! I'll explain: by "Western ideology" you don't mean separation of powers, rule of law and popular sovereignty, because you have never explicitly alluded to this. No, by "Western ideology" you actually mean corporate plutocracy, consequentialism and authoritarian militarism. Viewed from this perspective, everything you have been saying is much more coherent and actually supported by facts. This is proof of what many have suspected all along: that you are a very successful troll, quite possibly someone else's alt, and at any rate, well acquainted with Poe's law. Bravo, good sir. Bravo. /golfclap . As I keep telling Zora and others I am no Troll, everything I say I can substantiate and support with valid examples. I suppose I need to be clear on what I mean by "Western ideology " I support the West and this is not just the USA, this applies to the EU and Australia and other similar countries that are Democracies and similar corporate cultures. Now you may ask " but why do you support the West". Its simple really, the West gives there citizens the best quality of life and has the happiest citizens...this is an irrefutable fact and why anyone would dispute this boggles the mind. I live in a continent where most countries don't follow Western ideology and these countries have many citizens that overall live in poverty or have governments that don't follow good governance and this reflects on the state of there economies Yes I know Western ideology isn't perfect, you live in country that is currently undergoing austerity but you cannot blame the West for that. This is a fault of the actual Spanish government and there spending history and overall questionable economic polices. What would be your perfect system of government for Spain if you could decide? Should Spain leave the EU ? So Western ideology is about Democratic governments, free speech, free press and functional and accountable government institutions. And its also about corporate culture where the growth of the economy is driven by the private sector but the government can intervene to prevent certain industrial sectors from collapsing, like we saw in 2008/2009 in the USA and UK bailouts There is no such thing as a true Capitalist system of government, so I believe in a hybrid socialist\capitalist model like we see that is functioning in the USA at the moment

Yeah I'm also playing GTAV, I am loving it. There are loads of side quests, I have done things like hunting and Jet Ski racing And I picked up my first hooker as Trevor but I have been to strip clubs with the other guys

So what you need to realize is that people like Assange have an axe to grind with the USA, sometimes this type of animosity is justified but mostly its not. But the reality is the USA is the foundation of Western ideology. Its not perfect but it maintains a very important framework for the rest of the Western world. We need to question very carefully any person who has an issue with the USA in this type of context. Because most of the time this is not a good thing as this type of attack on the USA is really an attack on all of us who believe in Western ideology. We actually stand by the USA and fall by the USA, you just don't realize it. Imagine a world without the USA? For starters the EU would be at the mercy of Russian hegemony and Putin would be happily carving up parts of eastern Europe to rebuild his Russian empire and you can forget about the Chinese respecting any islands in the Pacific and they probably would have annexed Taiwan ages ago. Islamic fundamentalism would be much more rampant and destructive and the Middle East awash with civil wars. Africa would even more backward. So basically you would be forced to agree to anything that Russia or the Chinese wanted ...and I don't know about you but both those countries seem much worse overall than the USA Assange with help from Bradly Manning decided to selectively publish CONFIDENTIAL diplomatic cables about the USA, he was warned..he was cautioned. Who did he think he was to continue to be judge and jury of what the world needed to see about the USA, his hubris was astounding . He avoided the USA " playing nice " by DDOS attacks on his servers thinking he could hide in the Internet and continue to attack the national security of the USA but then he messed up and needed to face a legal challenge in Sweden...does Assange go to Sweden to face these charges? No of course not, the great moral compass of Assange doesn't apply to himself .. " he is Julian Assange...he is someone who is above the law" So you would assume he would then follow the legal process and fight extradition in the UK ...but once again " No..he is Julian Assange, he will never get a fair hearing !!!" So he skips bail and uses the annoying anti-Western views of Ecuador to get shelter...thinking he has cleverly avoided arrest. But this backfired horribly for him and now he cant leave...imagine being stuck in a building for years ...yes this punishment suits me as he is too much of a coward to face the minor charges of skipping bail or proving his innocence in Sweden. And please don't suggest that Sweden is unable to prosecute him legally and correctly...he just is in complete contempt for any legal system So this is the man you admire?

In case you haven't noticed, reddit and the media are triumphly declaring that it is not censorship. It is about creating sound environments for constructive discussion. We do not need a history book to know what kind of spiral they have started now. Yes it is about creating a sound environment for discussion, those are exactly the words I would have used ...you know whats weird? I have been saying this for months that you should ban certain discussions as they do nothing but promote hate and a negative vibe for those targeted. You guys thought I was being like some kind of extremist..guess my suggestion wasn't that bad And the saddest thing about this situation is I know most of you will see this as confirmation that these websites are deeply flawed instead of seeing the positive Like clockwork. It's never censorship when the good guys do it. Making an environment more inclusive and less antagonistic should not be seen as censorship I wish you realized this

You were thinking for yourself. Surely you know this is not good? You're right, thank you. We live better than ever before, our governments are representing our best interests, the media are focusing on issues that truly matters; movies, music and art are currently depicting a healthy society living in a golden age with no agenda at all. School curriculums are ensuring that more critical thinking and mentally sound people are entering society upon adulthood, and the very food you eat is actually good for you. Sorry, i am good global citizen now. Time to sleep..... You were thinking for yourself. Surely you know this is not good? I know you guys don't believe it but when I talk about the inimical influence that Assange has I only say it because I hate to see you guys being manipulated by his false narrative Its like you guys have really low standards and you accept the words of Assange blindly because he seems to support your views of Western influence. Its fine to support people but at least try to see he is a bad choice and you guys are too clever to buy his hyperbole

In case you haven't noticed, reddit and the media are triumphly declaring that it is not censorship. It is about creating sound environments for constructive discussion. We do not need a history book to know what kind of spiral they have started now. Yes it is about creating a sound environment for discussion, those are exactly the words I would have used ...you know whats weird? I have been saying this for months that you should ban certain discussions as they do nothing but promote hate and a negative vibe for those targeted. You guys thought I was being like some kind of extremist..guess my suggestion wasn't that bad And the saddest thing about this situation is I know most of you will see this as confirmation that these websites are deeply flawed instead of seeing the positive

Apparently members of the LGBT community will be implementing this, you were right ...they after you Meshugger don't believe a word Assange says. He uses hyperbole as he has a personal agenda against the West...but he received justice. It can't be nice staying in an embassy ...that's what happens when you skip bail and try to avoid a country like the UK legal systenm