BruceVC

that giraffe pic made me laugh But to answer your question, you mustn't see this whole thing in absolutes..there are grey areas So in this case the ideal design for a game like Deliverance would be a predominantly white character world but you should see some African\black characters and can interact with them so they have some identity This would seem like the most accurate and most reasonable portrayal of the era where there were African people but they were rare....I can't see how this would really dilute the aspired "authentic " vision of the game? How many times people originating from those regions need to remind filthy and ignorant colonials that THERE WERE NO FRIGGING BLACK AFRICANS IN BOHEMIA and FURTHER NORTH... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallus_Anonymus - this guy was on courts, among nobles and also flirting with church hierarchy in regions from Hungary, through Czech kingdom and Kingdom of Poland... That guy did not report a SINGLE appearance of a black/African person in those regions, and I am pretty sure he would, as it would be something noteworthy... Stop forcing modern political agendas on people whose culture was shackled and not represented in any mass form to this day... in fact people from central and eastern Europe are very often mobbed and ridiculed in other countries, including UK, US, Germany, etc. yet, it is ok to do that to them, after all they "are white" so what that they got hit hardest by two world wars, so what that they had to endure the political trade and giving them to Stalin's zone of influence, to appease the Communists after WW2... yeah, no let the same people who betrayed their own values multiple times, school them about their own history... It's as ignorant as thinking that suddenly the modern Western style of democracy and tolerance will be glorified and followed in Middle East and North African countries.... You seem mad? Why you mad? I'm not sure you right about there being no black people in that area of Europe ...I thought there was evidence in frescoes and paintings from that time that were black people? Yes I agree, nowadays East Europeans are vilified unfairly in many countries. In the UK for example there is definitely exaggeration about how Bulgarians, Poles and Romanians are "taking jobs from hard working UK people" ...but I condemn this. So lets not justify one social wrong with another...that is unhelpful

that giraffe pic made me laugh But to answer your question, you mustn't see this whole thing in absolutes..there are grey areas So in this case the ideal design for a game like Deliverance would be a predominantly white character world but you should see some African\black characters and can interact with them so they have some identity This would seem like the most accurate and most reasonable portrayal of the era where there were African people but they were rare....I can't see how this would really dilute the aspired "authentic " vision of the game?

There are very few countries that still hunt whales as it is seen as unnecessary and cruel. Human beings have more of a connection to whales as they are mammals and are seen as much more intelligent and having more sentience than lets say Tuna which is why people condemn whaling more than fishing. Its the same for the killing of dolphins The practice of hunting whales needs to be condemned, its just not something I am active in

http://www.walkthetalk.co.za/ Tomorrow I am doing "Walk the Talk " which is a well supported event where you go on a walk to support various charities or SJ causes that you feel South Africa grapples with I'm doing the 15 km walk so I need be up at 5 am. Its actually better than providing a link to support your view...you commit to doing this walk in RL which then in turn raises visibility

Everything that isn't supporting BruceVC views is unreasonable criticism or racism or whatever. It doesn't matter how intelligently or how much based in facts an opinion is laid BruceVC will handwave it away. No if I'm wrong I admit it but people must use facts...which puts you at a serious disadvantage

No, I am not saying "Support your point of view with facts" is unreasonable criticism Of course you need facts in a debate and I can happily provide them in all debates I have When I say " unreasonable criticism" I mean where people nitpick or use spurious logic like " you can't say you care about womens right because you go to strip clubs "

Thank you for finally defining it. At least now I understand your point of reference and the basis for your comments. As for accepting your views as "proof", ah sorry but no. I'll respect your right to express your opinion but I won't accept your views as proof based solely on your say so. But you would force me to prove you wrong? Why not just avoid all that and agree with me ? Also I am still not clear on what Barti definition of polarization is? You good at deciphering things ...what is he saying ? No. I would force you to prove your point if you expect to be taken seriously. It's your call - it makes no difference to me if you want to get into a serious debate or simply present unsupported opinions as facts. And I see that Barti has already answered your question about polarizing. No point in beating that to death. No I want an honest and serious debate but not unreasonable criticism .....its a fine line but it can be done

Great games, very brutal and unforgiving. Especially the first one where you really learn the importance of saving ammunition

I don't like tourists. Don't want to transform Russia into some sort of bordello as Thailand/Baltic states/Cuba/Other touristic countries is. http://youtu.be/bdfaGDnYTDo Oby I don't know why you are complaining about people seeing Russia as a giant brothel? Putin's political decisions like his actions in Ukraine have led to sanctions and with the falling commodity prices the Russian economy is now under serious pressure The Russian people support Putin and his policies. his approval rating is very high. Now these are consequences ...Russia should actually use this to there advantage. I would legalize prostitution and open brothels all over Moscow ....it makes sense if you think about all the hot Russian women?

There is no irony. It's deliberate on his part and it's not new either. He's playing you like a fiddle. Don't bother. Barti ignore him, he is Spanish. They dont understand cultured arts like debating. Lets not stoop to his level

Here: Now that makes sense, I get that 100 % and its interesting Put it all together, Bruce... It's just English, after all.

Thank you for finally defining it. At least now I understand your point of reference and the basis for your comments. As for accepting your views as "proof", ah sorry but no. I'll respect your right to express your opinion but I won't accept your views as proof based solely on your say so. But you would force me to prove you wrong? Why not just avoid all that and agree with me ? Also I am still not clear on what Barti definition of polarization is? You good at deciphering things ...what is he saying ?

There's lots of Mexicans moving here legally, the question is stopping those aliens (not just Mexicans btw) who are coming here illegally. The politilie article is a completely ridiculous piece of propaganda. Immigrants living here legally aren't considered foreign nationals for one thing, they're US residents. Moreover legal immigrant crime rate is very low. So what exactly did politilie prove? There no question DPS caught 3000 alien murderers over 6 years. Yeah I can see your concern, of course its an alarming number if its accurate In South Africa we have about 30-45 murders a day....you actually become desensitized to it and it just becomes something normal, this doesn't make you any less patriotic But I understand you don't want to get to a point where the murder rate is a non-issue like me

I don't think I much left anything I wanted to say unstated. Okay so based on this equivocation I have to assume you have no idea how seriously these issues will impact the USA. And that's fine there is no way to accurately predict what this means for the USA But I am more confident...none of these will lead to the crashing of the economy or an utter failure of congress. So you really just having some controversial and heated debates that seem worse then they are So our definitions are completely different therefore we were having a pointless debate

Yes but you need to be more specific in terms of how harmful this is to the USA overall....is it to be expected so its normal? Are we talking about states wanting to secede..or this is just robust debate and anger but there is no suggestion the USA economy will collapse ? You cant say "this is splitting the USA into different ideologies " as the USA has always had vastly different views on topics like immigration and gay marriage so all that is different now is some things have been decided by the Supreme Court ? So what are you worried may happen ?

I want to respond but I dont want to be called condescending ? Then I would feel I haven't beaten that bad habit..granted you may be exaggerating but kgambit also said I was being rude so I am going to agree I probably was condescending I would prefer if you just accepted my views as the proof instead of a long protracted debate with various links where you eventually concede that the USA is not a polarized society ...but as kgambit said we haven't actually defined what polarization means? For me it means issues that could rip the country and society apart for years and this would destroy its economy like Zim Whats your definition?

Yes this supports my post...there is a degree of hyperbole and rhetoric when it comes to Mexican immigrants

So it means in GTAV context you enable everything in the GTAV graphic and advanced graphics settings within the game ..not the AMD control panel

Okay I'll try not to say you are wrong...but I'm not sure how I would disagree with you then? I dont mind the odd link...I'll read this

When has our huge border with Mexico been 99% secure? When have we ever tried to make it 99% secure? And it's not so huge compared to the size of the country. You don't get it, these people are here illegally. They are not supposed to be here in the first place. If they weren't, the 100's of thousands of crimes they commit simply wouldn't happen. http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/07/22/alien-crime-wave-in-texas-611234-crimes-2993-murders/ Not really. You can make it more secure with a chunk of money that the US doesn't have right now. You'd need to hire more border patrol agents and provide more resources to that, but the current trend is to instead just slash funding all over the place (including to the IRS... where 1 dollar of funding usually cuts to about 5 in revenue). And it's not that we don't have jobs. Right now illegals are doing jobs that most americans throw up their hands and declare "beneath" them. Border patrol budget has been increased significantly actually. But it won't do any good until a proper secure fence is build, and they can do that just with all the money they're spending on illegal alien children they refuse to send back. And dealing with the government is hard for everyone, not just immigrants. You think it's fun for me to spend half a year just doing my taxes? WOD, I respect your view is not based on some bigoted view of Mexicans but rather a real concern for things like crime. I get you are being sincere But come on buddy, the whole "lets build a bigger wall to keep Mexicans out " is exactly one of the real factors that keep hurting the GOP voting numbers. There are people in the USA that do see this as some sort of "Texas Republican Right Wing rhetoric " that is incongruous in modern US politics It just seems like a strange way to address a SJ issue ....you guys need to learn to think of solutions that people don't find offensive even though it has its practical objective I can see that

Actually thats not accurate..I agreed you were right about your circles ? It sounds like you think I am being condescending again...I hope not because I have really working hard on not doing that But I can't retract the whole " asking for evidence " ....this is not how we debate as it creates a distraction and suddenly people " win " a debate because they can post the most links...also suddenly I am expected to read all these webpages and I get criticized for " not debating in good faith " if I don't read long articles No lets just keep this debate normal and not use links unless really necessary

Very valid points and yes I do RP in game in similar ways to how I am in RL So I never play an evil character and always think about my options in a SJ context where applicable. For example in Witcher 2 when I found out the king raped that women I killed him despite the political consequences ...as in RL I am very opposed to violence against women But I basically agree with everything you said ....good points girlfriend

Yes of course no hard feelings,I do like Romance but I was just joking with the Op because he really thinks the discussion should end because his question was answered? To be honest this debate has evolved to a point when I couldn't even remember the original question And thats normal with these forums ...we don't restrict our views to " stinking topic criteria " ...we always evolve the debate with our prodigious intellects...now back to the point about my worrying attraction to pixel generated female characters

Barti I can't seem to win with you ...I get attacked for disagreeing with you and then attacked for agreeing....maybe tell me next time how I should respond ? Also I am not dismissing your point as much as just disagreeing....which is the purpose of a debate isn't it ? I don't think you should worry about grace in a debate surly ..lets just discuss the issue and stop worrying about the PC element ?

And how is that any different than you expressing your view based on your perceptions and experiences? I honestly do not understand what makes your point of view special Bruce. For all you know, Bartimaeus' close circle MIGHT in fact be extremely polarized in their opinions. You might at least afford him the respect that his opinion deserves instead of being dismissive of it. Fair enough, I accept that Barti is correct about the polarization in his town or circles he moves in. I admit there are dysfunctional groups in the USA ....we all watch Jerry Springer But this doens't apply to the whole USA ....and you guys think I am being dismissive and arrogant, I have no issue admitting I am wrong...lets at least give me some credit ?