BruceVC

"Egypt actually adopted the US constitution " Just the thought of that concept makes this post the funniest and most ridiculous suggestion anyone has said in ages on these forums, this even makes volo's comments seem normal Well done WOD, you definitely get the famous and revered BruceVC award for the " most absurd and unlikely post to make " Sometimes you guys really are funny and the funniest thing about it is I dont think you mean to be humorous

That is a very good article, it explains cogently why people in the USA can and should vote for Johnson. You guys have mentioned similar reasons but the article takes a relevant holistic view of the current US political system and summarizes the good and bad of the various candidates in a way that is candid and objective I learnt something new and pertinent so thanks for posting it It also highlights why my support for Clinton is not shared by many US forum members. I can summarize it in the following way. Clinton may indeed greatly increase Federal spending as the article explains in the paragraph below "Hillary Clinton calls for a vast expansion of federal spending, supported by the kinds of tax hikes that were comically impossible even in the years when President Barack Obama's fellow Democrats dominated both houses of Congress. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calculates that Clinton's plan would increase spending by $1.65 trillion over a decade, mostly for college education, paid family leave, infrastructure and health-related expenditures. Spending just on debt interest would rise by $50 billion. Personal and business taxation would rise by $1.5 trillion. Sort through all the details and her plan would raise the national debt by $200 billion " So the articles most serious criticism of Clinton is around how she will increase the overall US debt through enhanced Federal spending, I can understand this concern and it is valid But my greatest concern is not US debt but a US under Trump where the US globally becomes less influential and more isolationist and countries like Russia and China automatically become more relevant. Considering the pressures on the EU created by BREXIT this would be the natural outcome as the two most important Western powers, the USA and the EU, would be less likely to oppose either Russia or China in various areas So a global world where Russia and China are now ideologically dominant may not seem relevant to anyone in the US but it would have a major negative outcome for every country that does believe in the strength and importance of what a Democracy stands for and the various institutions that are part of what defines Western ideology, like free media and respect for human rights This type of world would eventually impact the USA in worse way than increased debt. So that is my real concern

1% of posters (me) wants Trump to win to see the rivers of liberal tears flowing through memes and American Universities. Well, there is always that. I must admit it would be pretty funny. At least until he's inaugurated and actually started doing stuff. It would only be seen as funny if you dont care about the overall positive sustainability of the USA People like Hiro dont care if Trump harms the USA, in fact there are some forum members who think it would be a good thing to see the USA lose prestige and relevance The majority of USA forum members may have some support for Trump but fundamentally dont want the USA to become weaker. I reject any political development in the USA that will weaken it because the USA represents a critical part of the foundation of Western ideology which matters to me As we have discussed Trump wont be able to destroy the USA but he can lesson the positive influence the USA plays in the global world for the next 4 years which is enough reason for me to not want him to be president So in summary your view on Trump and him becoming president is not the same as Hiros because you do care about the USA, this is not the same thing as thinking some forum members living outside the USA care about the political developments in the same way

It is a right wing conspiracy WOD, everyone who doesnt have an agenda against her knows this Also your link didnt mention " Bleachbit " which is the key issue here. But I did find my own link, I dont like having to do other members work for them WOD. Please put effort into your posts and actually provide evidence if you have such a contriversial point to make http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-emails-bleachbit-227425 But this Bleachbit accusation doesn't convince me either, I need to do some research on it before I will acknowledge it is effective and was used I just knew if you thought hard enough, you could type "bleachbit" and "Clinton" into Google. Good job! dont get cheeky now.....you aren't too old for me to put you over my knee and give you a good spanking

It is a right wing conspiracy WOD, everyone who doesnt have an agenda against her knows this Also your link didnt mention " Bleachbit " which is the key issue here. But I did find my own link, I dont like having to do other members work for them WOD. Please put effort into your posts and actually provide evidence if you have such a contriversial point to make http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-emails-bleachbit-227425 But this Bleachbit accusation doesn't convince me either, I need to do some research on it before I will acknowledge it is effective and was used

GD you cant say " she lied about e-mail server ? Yes arguably you could say her staff and her were reckless.....fine that can be said But as we discussed at length and I am happy to rehash the argument again with links ( and please remember I do this for a living so I can honestly give much more detail if you really require it but I would rather not go through it again unless you insist ) She used a private email server for a period of time because of a private email address. Everyone in the White house and secret service seemed fine with this and they would have noticed her different email address Then she was required to hand over large amounts of email data She didnt have to hand over private emails so she told her staff to delete these Then she was accused of hiding vital information in the deleted emails. It was now obvious she was the victim of right wing witch hunt However the FBI forensics got involved and they were able to find all relevent deleted emails She was deemed reckless but it was not criminal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245735/The-FBI-recovered-Hillary-Clinton-s-secret-emails-private-computer-server-source-reveals.html Please can we bury this now, there must be other things you can accuse her of because I am genuinely concerned that if she does become president you guys will still be accusing her of this for the whole 4 years. Lets be fair, we must respect the office of the president of the USA And I will also stop anti-Trump posts if he becomes president unless he starts doing new offensive things as president. So I will also bury the past in the interest of respecting the office of the president You keep relying on out-of-date and incorrect stories. FBI couldn't recover the emails from her server because she used Bleachbit on them. They did recover some of the same emails from other people's computers. Conveniently Obola's Justice Department gave immunity to the people involved in deleting those emails, i.e. destroying evidence. Edit: More on Comey's congressional testimony: http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/nothing-james-comey-says-about-hillary-investigation-makes-sense/ That guy must be either really corrupt or really stupid to let himself be used like that. And you keep telling me that yet you cant produce a link....so we at an impasse And dont say " I must find the link" because its your theory so you need to produce the link. I will read it

This Trump prediction made me laugh....this is exactly what you would expect him to say Enoch are you voting for Hilary?

This is a good story, I like the way you think Grats and since I became active in 2012 its probably fair to say you have found these forums even more fulfilling and meaningful right ?

Geez, why can't she talk like that in the debates? I mean, there were a few moments when she went off the rails talking about faith and her daily spirit guide, but she handled the talk about self consciousness and the struggle with ego with incredible grace. Great question and great response. This is a good debate, she was very candid and sincere But I'll be honest she is often very similar to this in numerous debates. This is how I think of her generally

GD you cant say " she lied about e-mail server ? Yes arguably you could say her staff and her were reckless.....fine that can be said But as we discussed at length and I am happy to rehash the argument again with links ( and please remember I do this for a living so I can honestly give much more detail if you really require it but I would rather not go through it again unless you insist ) She used a private email server for a period of time because of a private email address. Everyone in the White house and secret service seemed fine with this and they would have noticed her different email address Then she was required to hand over large amounts of email data She didnt have to hand over private emails so she told her staff to delete these Then she was accused of hiding vital information in the deleted emails. It was now obvious she was the victim of right wing witch hunt However the FBI forensics got involved and they were able to find all relevent deleted emails She was deemed reckless but it was not criminal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245735/The-FBI-recovered-Hillary-Clinton-s-secret-emails-private-computer-server-source-reveals.html Please can we bury this now, there must be other things you can accuse her of because I am genuinely concerned that if she does become president you guys will still be accusing her of this for the whole 4 years. Lets be fair, we must respect the office of the president of the USA And I will also stop anti-Trump posts if he becomes president unless he starts doing new offensive things as president. So I will also bury the past in the interest of respecting the office of the president

You buddy

If anyone's still doing those signatures of Bruce quotes, I'd say this one is a contender. Oh wait I left a word out .....seriously, I meant to say There is a skill and art to explaining the truth to someone and not coming across as condescending

Thank you Volo. I don't think I can please your post. I didn't. Sorry I'm not getting this post? I thought you were saying you can compare the Island to SA ?

I always appreciate your honesty, what would you say you admire about Putin?

Your entire country is a hellhole where sexual abuse is rampant. What does that have to do with anything though? Someone from Brazil saying Chicago's gun violence is too high isn't invalidated as Rio is worse, no? Takes one to know one, eh? Seriously I think the point is, unless you're going to equally condemn both in the situation, pointing out the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye while having a plank in yours is considered bad form, perhaps? No You normally show more logic and reasonableness than this, please the post I made to WOD You cannot even begin to compare the OZ island to the crime in SA

Your entire country is a hellhole where sexual abuse is rampant. Just so I dont misunderstand you, is this your idea of a sense of humor? I have to be honest its really not funny but I shouldn't be the one to judge others sense of humor No, it's not a joke, don't you have the one of the highest murder rates and rape rates in the world? Yes we do and I am glad I asked you what you mean because I can see what you misunderstanding WOD you have to realize there is huge and incontrovertible difference between this island that the Australians send people to and a country like SA We do have terrible levels of crime but its not a natural occurrence. Its a direct consequence of 50 years of the inhumane attempt by the Apartheid system to rewire the psyche of 40 million black people.... So the extreme crime we face is committed by a small percentage of people who are basically emotionally detached from real feelings The island and the systemic abuse is about a modern societal problem, you should read this https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/08/02/australia-appalling-abuse-neglect-refugees-nauru

volo is it really necessary to play the old " I dont care what people think, I just post whatever I want because I am different to everyone else " No volo you are exactly the same as everyone else, we all want people to like us. We all want acceptance on certain levels. Yes I understand you have probably been subjected to real rudeness on the Internet and I am sorry for this but as usual I'll be honest with you when I say you would have to schizophrenic or suffering from dementia if you truly believe the actions of " someone who doesnt care what people think " is the actions of someone who participates in debates like you do So can we just be honest about this fact, every single person who regularly posts on this forum cares on different levels what people think

Your entire country is a hellhole where sexual abuse is rampant. Just so I dont misunderstand you, is this your idea of a sense of humor? I have to be honest its really not funny but I shouldn't be the one to judge others sense of humor

Yes I know what you mean...but for me this is a forum and its impossible to expect normal human response .....its the nature of the Internet But I mean " like " as in engage in regular debates with and then clarify what I mean

Yes, I am aware you dont always remember our chats. Its normal for me but you did apologize when I got annoyed when you were dismissive when I explained why the so called evidence of Turkey helping ISIS wasn't true ...and I admire someone who can apologize to someone who they dont particularly " like " or understand Volo again it seems like I'm the only person who cares what you post sometimes ...so please dont think I'm being rude. I am genuinely concerned about the impression you create How can you make a post like this about your own PM? It would be different if what you said has some truth to it but I doubt anyone on this forum will agree with you ?

Que? I usually don't respond to you because, well, this^, but what are you talking about? I'm going to have to ask you for a minimum of comprehension, ok? As I stated, I admire their ability to get things done instead of the BS methods employed in the US. EVERY SINGLE TOPIC becomes diluted with screeching harpies and 10 years of litigation. Honestly, I wish the "people" had less of a voice around here. We might actually accomplish something, god forbid. And how does Enoch blowing his o-ring over bias confirmed (see how I can work in random social crapola too) sexism have anything to do with it? Oh sorry my bad, I thought this post was your way of being intentionally controversial......any American honestly admitting they admire Putin i assume is someone trolling because Russia is so insecure and distrustful of anything Western I have mentioned this before but I have a semi-photographic memory but I always forget that sometimes people forget what they have told me especially when we go back a year or so and that person thinks I'm odd or weird or inconsistent You and I have had several debates, I assumed you were being serious but end of the day I cant tell who is being real or not on this forum....personally I dont think it matters For example I have mentioned Prism should be modified to improve US domestic security and you agreed We discussed the whole " is Turkey openly helping ISIS " by sending trucks You have an issue with certain double standards some SJ views seem to perpetuate You have been to strip clubs You have defended me when I got annoyed by people saying " Thats it....I'm not talking to BruceVC anymore " This forum has some real drama queens ....sorry to admit it but I'm really not that bad. As I keep saying all someone has to say is " please dont talk to me and I wont " But I like you, i have always found you to be consistent on many topics .....

That kind of not giving a damn comes from being the leader of a place that's not a democracy where he can oppress and kill more or less anyone who bothers him. It's akin to admiring Pol Pot for his dogged determination. I never realized how similar our views are on certain people and social dynamics, I dont expect people to just agree with me especially on this forum but my view is not unreasonable if you think about the whole Trump fiasco. But it is always nice when other people make points like your own I have never noticed you agreeing with me on any topic I make about Russia or Putin ....I think Sweden should be admired yet there is real criticism towards your country from some members and I always think its unfair. Sweden tries and often succeeds to do the right thing but it would be weird for me to defend Sweden

Come on? You honestly cant name a leader you respect....I can mention many leaders I know you would respect ? I did. Didn't you read what I wrote? Oh sorry, I assumed you were joking as I meant to say Turnbull doesn't count because everyone knows Australia isn't really a fair representation of a normal country because of how the original immigrants to Oz were criminals and how they massacred the aborigines plus the Australians send all there new arrivals to a island hell hole where sexual abuse is rampant http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/11/489659844/australias-immigration-minister-plays-down-claims-of-abuse-on-refugee-island Are you f-----g serious? Do you honestly believe anyone alive in Australia today is in any way responsible for acts done before their grandparents were even born? By that logic YOU bear culpability for apartheid even though it was instituted long before you were born and you opposed it. Yeah I'm joking about everything except the island ....thats true and a disgrace

I dont believe this post for one second ....why would you think a guy who resents everything the USA stands for is someone to be admired ? Remember you and I believe Prism has a purpose You mustn't dwell on what Enoch said, he is right but perhaps he was a bit harsh with you because you are honest about many things on similar topics. I find that most guys dont even realize about the whole subconscious sexism they may demonstrate and it should be explained to them diplomatically before telling them on a forum as normally people get offended

Even if you know what is the best choice for someone you have to let people make there own minds up There is a skill and art to explaining the truth to someone and coming across as condescending It doesnt really matter what strangers think, you should only care what your friends think There will always be a biase and distrust towards the banking sector despite self regulation and all the good it does Money cannot make you happy, it can only buy you a quality of life which may make you happy