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For heavens sake NO. As Pidesco mentioned, that's just the probability of either of them winning. The actual vote spread (according to 538) is more like 48.5% v. 43.3%. The gap started widening on Sept 26 and hasn't narrowed since them. Clinton has flipped Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina and Nevada back into her column. Trump stands no chance of winning if that holds unless turnout numbers for the Dems go into the toilet. it just needs to end now so we can go back to the normal reality in the USA There will be a new and much more palatable GOP candidate after Trump...you know I just realized something I never thought I would need to admit, I miss the old GOP institutions and the guys who Trump side stepped. I would take any of them now over Trump even Carson? My advice to all our Republican friends is dont stress about this election, its okay to not vote....you still make a statement. Or just do what GD and others did and vote 3rd party ? Hahaha What? Dont you realize people can be conflicted ...remember, and no offense to you guys in the EU, but most people in the USA actually like the USA

For heavens sake NO. As Pidesco mentioned, that's just the probability of either of them winning. The actual vote spread (according to 538) is more like 48.5% v. 43.3%. The gap started widening on Sept 26 and hasn't narrowed since them. Clinton has flipped Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina and Nevada back into her column. Trump stands no chance of winning if that holds unless turnout numbers for the Dems go into the toilet. it just needs to end now so we can go back to the normal reality in the USA There will be a new and much more palatable GOP candidate after Trump...you know I just realized something I never thought I would need to admit, I miss the old GOP institutions and the guys who Trump side stepped. I would take any of them now over Trump even Carson? My advice to all our Republican friends is dont stress about this election, its okay to not vote....you still make a statement. Or just do what GD and others did and vote 3rd party ?

Holy Smoke is Clinton that far ahead, 78% vs 22 % ?

Interesting post, see the quotes below. I would say this is true based on certain events and views people have ? "Nevertheless, the results they present are eye-popping. On a wide range of issues, bureaucrats believe that Americans are ignorant. For instance, over half of them say that the public knows little to nothing about government crime programs, child care programs or environmental programs. Predictably, the bureaucrats also think that the government should not take what the public says too seriously. Mostly, they believe that officials like them should use their best judgment instead of following public opinion. A lot of this elitism is probably justifiable. When only 36 percent of adults can name the three branches of government, you wouldn’t want to hand over control of FDA to, say, your next-door neighbor. In the sample of bureaucrats that Bachner and Ginsberg looked at, the majority had master’s degrees or more. It should be a comfort knowing that there exists a specialized class of people who have dedicated their lives to understanding the intricacies of, say, tax credits for the poor or the diplomatic intrigues of the Caucasus. Bachner and Ginsberg don’t dispute that many voters are ignorant. In their view, however, D.C. insiders are needlessly disdainful of the regular Americans they are supposed to be helping and that this breeds distrust on both sides. Perhaps that’s one reason, they say, that American faith in government is at a 50-year low.

Damn, sorry to hear Shady Pictures or it didn't happen... Found a roof over my head. Going to move in Friday next week. Just one more week to survive living in hotels. Better start looking for a some "emergency furniture". I.e. cheapest possible and disposable when I get my own stuff shipped back from Europe some day in a not so near future. Gorthie...I was going to ask you earlier when you mentioned your old homeland Why did you move back to Oz...details young grasshopper ...details

Welcome back Vals, I have missed your irrational views on topics

Dont worry you will find other work Did you really use to strip? I'm not too worried, I'll start looking for new work tomorrow. My job was the bulk of my income but not all of it as I've always tried to have multiple income streams and I'll still be collecting a check until February anyway Not professionally The reason I asked about the whole stripping profession is despite what some people think about why people work in strip clubs I dont judge how people earn there money because unless I have walked in someone shoes I dont know there story and there personal journey So for me its a job, I see absolutely no issues with it

Dont worry you will find other work Did you really use to strip?

Yes I found that out later, I wonder if she goes around the USA saying things like " The demand for free education is only unrealistic because we continue to live within the mandates of capitalism,”

Do you understand how bizarre that argument is? A national museum does a major exhibition just because they happen to have a pin with a name on it. But they absolutely can not obtain any item of Thomas, or just put up a photo, and therefore have to skip over him entirely. lol WOD you know I'm very committed to the new South Africa and addressing the past But there is a small group of African Americans who honestly come to SA as special guests and say things which are just not true about the reality of the USA or they tell black South African things they should do or believe which just create social discord and confusion i know this sounds like I'm being unnecessarily critical but I promise you Im not, for example Angela Davis said in her speech " the only reason SA doesnt have free tertiary education is because the government looks at education in a Capitalist lens " ( how else should we see it....in a Communist lens )

Have you guys in the USA ever heard of a African American women called Angela Davis? She is famous in the civil rights movement...she came to SA as a guest recently and really added to our social issues with a misplaced speech she made http://ewn.co.za/2016/09/09/US-political-activist-Angela-Davis-delivers-17th-annual-Steve-Biko-Lecture

Dont you think we first need to define what " drive a conversation into the ground " means?

WOD you cant take it seriously, I have been subjected to similar jokes If you believe you are right about something then just link it and if people dont believe you thats there choice. But dont get annoyed by people disputing what you say or teasing you Its just examples of forum badinage ....its to be expected

This is actually more relevant than you may realize. Many people considering remembering or asking for names as extremely important, I am terrible with names at times and this can be very embarrassing if you have a sales role so I worked out effective ways to get someones name so you dont look silly In this case I would say something " thanks for the chat the other day, I enjoyed it. Whats your name by the way, I am Malc" This way you are recognising the conversation as relevant but you also want to introduce yourself Well my initial concern was why she was talking to me so was off guard. Only people begging for change or psychos talk to me first I have different customers and I am always talking to people, its not uncommon to have an initial chat to someone that could be quite long and interesting yet forget to ask each others names Sometimes the chat is enough and I dont get the persons name but if its more significant then I ask peoples names. And generally its always me who has to introduce first when I talk to strangers

that made me laugh

This is actually more relevant than you may realize. Many people considering remembering or asking for names as extremely important, I am terrible with names at times and this can be very embarrassing if you have a sales role so I worked out effective ways to get someones name so you dont look silly In this case I would say something " thanks for the chat the other day, I enjoyed it. Whats your name by the way, I am Malc" This way you are recognising the conversation as relevant but you also want to introduce yourself

http://www.thewrap.com/cnn-instant-poll-hands-debate-victory-to-mike-pence-over-tim-kaine/ So the general consensus is Pence won the debate over Kaine. This doesn't change people's view on who to vote for in the presidential debate as it applies to VP only Probably not. Now if Pence were the Presidential Candidate it might. Probably best not think of roads not taken. It will only depress us further. I meant to agree with you earlier and say I think Pence would be a better choice for president for the GOP, he has real control of his emotions and makes certain cogent points. Its a pity he had to spend a fair amount of time depending Trump in the VP debate. You noticed he didnt allow himself to get distracted by some of Kaines valid comments about what Trump has been saying. I do think he is a better candidate than Trump I really like Kaine but I dont think he is the better or stronger choice for the Democrats than Hilary

I started watching Westworld from HBO, as usual almost anything from HBO is excellent and this seems to be following the same formulae. Here is the trailer if you haven't seen it

http://www.thewrap.com/cnn-instant-poll-hands-debate-victory-to-mike-pence-over-tim-kaine/ So the general consensus is Pence won the debate over Kaine. This doesn't change people's view on who to vote for in the presidential debate as it applies to VP only

The sad thing is, no one will care. This won't matter. That's because it's not about him. It's about stopping Clinton. The same it true with her. If Wikileaks releases proof she took a bribe in the Uranium One fiasco it won't matter because half of the country already thinks she did. The supporters of either candidate do not love them. Far from it. They the hate the other candidate more. It really is the epitome of electoral dysfunction. Part of what you say resonates with me, I"ll be honest I find most of your post depressing yet I cant deny everything you say

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-suggests-vets-ptsd-aren-strong-article-1.2815752 Trump has gone too far....again...now he is attacking war veterans who suffer from PTSD

The SA constitution wasn't written by Marxists ....what are you talking about ? The SA constitution was and is very well constructed, there are certain things the USA could adopt but it wouldn't be suitable overall for a country like the USA For example we believe that everyone has a right to dignity so certain aspects of Freedom of Speech would be considered very offensive to the dignity of people so that would immediately clash with the USA view around Freedom of Speech which we have often discussed As I often try to explain to you guys in the USA we believe in free speech but certain words are considered unacceptable. This seems to be contradictory but this is because of the history of Apartheid which has a degree of relevance in our laws

"Egypt actually adopted the US constitution " Just the thought of that concept makes this post the funniest and most ridiculous suggestion anyone has said in ages on these forums, this even makes volo's comments seem normal Well done WOD, you definitely get the famous and revered BruceVC award for the " most absurd and unlikely post to make " Sometimes you guys really are funny and the funniest thing about it is I dont think you mean to be humorous

That is a very good article, it explains cogently why people in the USA can and should vote for Johnson. You guys have mentioned similar reasons but the article takes a relevant holistic view of the current US political system and summarizes the good and bad of the various candidates in a way that is candid and objective I learnt something new and pertinent so thanks for posting it It also highlights why my support for Clinton is not shared by many US forum members. I can summarize it in the following way. Clinton may indeed greatly increase Federal spending as the article explains in the paragraph below "Hillary Clinton calls for a vast expansion of federal spending, supported by the kinds of tax hikes that were comically impossible even in the years when President Barack Obama's fellow Democrats dominated both houses of Congress. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calculates that Clinton's plan would increase spending by $1.65 trillion over a decade, mostly for college education, paid family leave, infrastructure and health-related expenditures. Spending just on debt interest would rise by $50 billion. Personal and business taxation would rise by $1.5 trillion. Sort through all the details and her plan would raise the national debt by $200 billion " So the articles most serious criticism of Clinton is around how she will increase the overall US debt through enhanced Federal spending, I can understand this concern and it is valid But my greatest concern is not US debt but a US under Trump where the US globally becomes less influential and more isolationist and countries like Russia and China automatically become more relevant. Considering the pressures on the EU created by BREXIT this would be the natural outcome as the two most important Western powers, the USA and the EU, would be less likely to oppose either Russia or China in various areas So a global world where Russia and China are now ideologically dominant may not seem relevant to anyone in the US but it would have a major negative outcome for every country that does believe in the strength and importance of what a Democracy stands for and the various institutions that are part of what defines Western ideology, like free media and respect for human rights This type of world would eventually impact the USA in worse way than increased debt. So that is my real concern

1% of posters (me) wants Trump to win to see the rivers of liberal tears flowing through memes and American Universities. Well, there is always that. I must admit it would be pretty funny. At least until he's inaugurated and actually started doing stuff. It would only be seen as funny if you dont care about the overall positive sustainability of the USA People like Hiro dont care if Trump harms the USA, in fact there are some forum members who think it would be a good thing to see the USA lose prestige and relevance The majority of USA forum members may have some support for Trump but fundamentally dont want the USA to become weaker. I reject any political development in the USA that will weaken it because the USA represents a critical part of the foundation of Western ideology which matters to me As we have discussed Trump wont be able to destroy the USA but he can lesson the positive influence the USA plays in the global world for the next 4 years which is enough reason for me to not want him to be president So in summary your view on Trump and him becoming president is not the same as Hiros because you do care about the USA, this is not the same thing as thinking some forum members living outside the USA care about the political developments in the same way