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WOD I appreciate your honesty on topics, I just want honesty. I dont get offended and I think you and I have a very good forum relationship? Do you not like the UK and why are you negative about the EU?

Well I appreciate the fact you are prepared to answer, why would you as a French Canadian want the EU to fail ?

Thats not a very flattering way to represent either candidates?

Yes thats exactly what I thought he meant, racism is a life time experience for some people and if someone claims " they experienced racism for 20 minutes " it could be seen as that person doesn't know what they are talking about But the reality is most white people dont know racism is because we have never been subjected to the real and at times generational racism that many people are subjected Nowadays in SA and around the world some white people say things like " black people are racist because they saidn they hate white people or we are told we need to share our wealth " Is this really racism? Doesnt it have to be about intent and impact to be meaningful? Oh and this isnt an attack on white people, how could we understand what something feels like if we never really been exposed to it?

lol You may laugh but most white people can intellectualize racism but we dont really understand what it feels like But I doubt you also have experienced real racism? The historical view some Europeans have of East Europeans as being uneducated or uncultured is not real racism because its really not relevant or true ...so I'm not sure if you have other experiences ? I just find the phrase "I have experienced real racism for an entirety of 20 minutes!" to be inherently funny. Carry on. Okay but whats funny about it? Its true

She's also ignoring the report of the police chief who said they tried to negotiate him, only to have those negotiations not work with the shooter expressing sentiment of wanting to kill more people. Yes but also what she said really irritated me because she was white and suppose to be educated But her misunderstanding of what BLM means and how she is suppose to support it has made her sound both stupid and insulting because in SA most people automatically support BLM because due to Apartheid they believe African Americans are being intentionally executed by white policeman Now for me I understand the BLM has validity but that doesnt mean everything they say they believe is real, of course some it is emotional and more about a negative perception they may have But to now think the Police should have been " sensitive " to an insane gunman is actually doing a disservice to racial relations ...you not helping BLM by going this route

lol You may laugh but most white people can intellectualize racism but we dont really understand what it feels like But I doubt you also have experienced real racism? The historical view some Europeans have of East Europeans as being uneducated or uncultured is not real racism because its really not relevant or true ...so I'm not sure if you have other experiences ?

Another winning component in this game is how CDPR has implemented Romance but also " mature " options through the various choices you need to make in way that comes across as very realistic I have never had to consider my choices as much as the Witcher series and the Romance... I feel I love Triss yet Yen is smoking hot .....but I think I will chose Triss at the end .

Gfted1 would you like this as a present ? Would you use it?

No thats not what they think They feel there is a systemic and orchestrated campaign to undermine them from white people ...so this is there way of resisting it Have you ever been the victim of racism? I have for about 20 minutes in Saudi Arabia...it really irritated me

No happiness is a choice if you live in the EU, not that you have done much to assist our EU friends in feeling happy in living the EU In the example of the EU its a unusual construct, someone like Meshugger or Dark may feel the EU needs to change and they say " I'm not happy " ...but they happy they just dont realize how happy they are The EU is exactly what its suppose to be, it wont function without the central government and EU institutions...these are mandatory. So it makes no logical sense to say " we want more sovereignty " ...thats like saying " I want to watch a movie but the screen doesnt work " Hahaha I am not trying to embarrass you but you represent an important demographic in the EU structure You represent a fairly vocal group who criticizes aspects of the EU on issues like the "loss of nationhood " But please tell what exactly what you want from the EU, what would make you happy? And lets say you could ask for anything within reason Stop playing willfully ignorant, i have already stated my wishes several times in this thread. I mentioned that when people call me a troll it annoys me This is the other thing that frustrates me, I legitimately want to hear what you believe. And yet you cant explain it...I wasn't following the debate you were having with alum because most of the time you guys seem to debate semantics or some philosophical view which only you 2 seem to follow So please summarize your view ?.

Sometimes the misinformation in SA annoys me, I have just heard a white women...a professor...get questioned an live radio " she has an issue with the usage of the bomb because why couldn't the security services have negotiated with the guy " So basically she is just ignoring the fact 12 police man had just been shot and she expects people to " negotiate with the guy and not assassinate him "

No happiness is a choice if you live in the EU, not that you have done much to assist our EU friends in feeling happy in living the EU In the example of the EU its a unusual construct, someone like Meshugger or Dark may feel the EU needs to change and they say " I'm not happy " ...but they happy they just dont realize how happy they are The EU is exactly what its suppose to be, it wont function without the central government and EU institutions...these are mandatory. So it makes no logical sense to say " we want more sovereignty " ...thats like saying " I want to watch a movie but the screen doesnt work " Hahaha I am not trying to embarrass you but you represent an important demographic in the EU structure You represent a fairly vocal group who criticizes aspects of the EU on issues like the "loss of nationhood " But please tell what exactly what you want from the EU, what would make you happy? And lets say you could ask for anything within reason

But Volo you are comparing a modern movement for greater recognition and fairness from how the police treats them to a fundamentally racist white supremacist movement founded after the civil war...its terrible comparison and completely unfair They aren't for greater recognition and fairness. They are an organization based on lies. Black criminals are killed by police at the same rate they are arrested for crimes. White criminals are killed by police at the same rate they are arrested for crimes. There is a disproportionate amount of blacks in prison because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime. There is no big conspiracy by the government or white people to oppress and kill blacks, they have been taught that there is though, so they act accordingly. They also have a culture that glorifies criminals. They also seem to be in denial about what kind of people these guys are too. You can hardly describe a guy with multiple domestic abuse convictions, multiple prison sentences, a warrant for his arrest for failing to register as a sex offender who is carrying an illegal weapon while owing 25,000 in child support as a "good man" As for earlier, if they reform their methods, and actually take their name seriously and start tackling the real problems of violence in the black community, then maybe I will respect them as an organization. Right now they are a hate group with 5 deaths under their belt. Okay I am not going to give up on this point http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ You should read some of there principles before you say they stand for racsim ..for example see below Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. It is an affirmation of Black folks’ contributions to this society, our humanity, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression. There is not systemic targeting of blacks. They are founded on a lie. Also, actions speak louder than words, and their actions are racist. Yes there will be a degree of exaggeration, its normal for all these types of social movements. They are founded partly on an emotional view of a reality. But you are missing the important point the founders of BLM genuinely feel black people in the USA are being intentionally targeted, yes its not true but this is how they see what is happening So now is the part you may not have considered, if that is what they feel dont you think we as white people can at least recognize this is there reality? Its not a big deal but to dismiss this means you not trying to understand there view which means you will never understand it ..now this is also fine but then as I mentioned earlier BLM will be with us forever so I would assume people would at least want to understand what motivates them?

Volo please, false concern for Iraqi's is beneath you., you dont care about Arabs who live in the ME. It actually makes me feel nausea's when you pretend to care And yes the USA pulled out end of 2011....al-maliki was left running the government and was told to incorporate the Sunni's He failed to do this, its not the West fault for this failure They were aware of the risks, they just didn't care miscalculated the threat entirely. http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/ Obama may have read this but once again it was time for the USA to leave Iraq. The creation and success was a group like ISIS only came after the USA left Iraq But for me even if the USA knew about ISIS why must they get involved in Syria? The Russians and Chinese vetoed any military intervention in Syria http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/world/middleeast/russia-and-china-veto-un-sanctions-against-syria.html?_r=0 So the Syrian was left and predictably it got worse and worse, the country now must be one of the most damaged places in the world but I'm not sure what people expect the West to do?

But Volo you are comparing a modern movement for greater recognition and fairness from how the police treats them to a fundamentally racist white supremacist movement founded after the civil war...its terrible comparison and completely unfair They aren't for greater recognition and fairness. They are an organization based on lies. Black criminals are killed by police at the same rate they are arrested for crimes. White criminals are killed by police at the same rate they are arrested for crimes. There is a disproportionate amount of blacks in prison because they commit a disproportionate amount of crime. There is no big conspiracy by the government or white people to oppress and kill blacks, they have been taught that there is though, so they act accordingly. They also have a culture that glorifies criminals. They also seem to be in denial about what kind of people these guys are too. You can hardly describe a guy with multiple domestic abuse convictions, multiple prison sentences, a warrant for his arrest for failing to register as a sex offender who is carrying an illegal weapon while owing 25,000 in child support as a "good man" As for earlier, if they reform their methods, and actually take their name seriously and start tackling the real problems of violence in the black community, then maybe I will respect them as an organization. Right now they are a hate group with 5 deaths under their belt. Okay I am not going to give up on this point http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/ You should read some of there principles before you say they stand for racsim ..for example see below Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. It is an affirmation of Black folks’ contributions to this society, our humanity, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.

Oh dont get so defensive, people get so defensive sometimes I am telling you the truth about the EU, it can only work if there is a central government. Yes it appears many people who live in the EU have forgotten this and somehow this has become a huge criticism and is seen as a failure There are real social and political that the West is undergoing, these things dont have to be seen as something serious but they can be. So for example BREXIT and Syrian\Refugee crisis have made people start questioning the actual sustainability of an institution like the EU And there is nothing wrong with a different view to me or a negative view but there are also people on this forum who care about the EU and I want to set the record straight Criticize the EU about many things but this whole " sovereignty " point is just misplaced unless someone can explain exactly what freedom or laws they want from Brussels ....but lets not criticize something that cannot and shouldn't change because its necessary for EU to survive

Geez you weren't joking when you said you were unphased by what people in Kazakhstan thought about the USA...it really doesnt bother you

I cant view the video?

Volo please, false concern for Iraqi's is beneath you., you dont care about Arabs who live in the ME. It actually makes me feel nausea's when you pretend to care And yes the USA pulled out end of 2011....al-maliki was left running the government and was told to incorporate the Sunni's He failed to do this, its not the West fault for this failure

But Volo you are comparing a modern movement for greater recognition and fairness from how the police treats them to a fundamentally racist white supremacist movement founded after the civil war...its terrible comparison and completely unfair

Haven't we played this game before? Lets recap, list the issues and we can discuss them. I stand by mine and can produce links No because we've been done this road before multiple times. It's like riding a merry-go-around ..... And you seriously don't remember this? And I thought you had a photographic memory ........ http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/79124-road-to-the-white-house-2016/page-9?do=findComment&comment=1701567 And once again, Obama was not responsible for the troop withdrawal from Iraq. That was dictated by the existing SOFA agreement that expired in 2011 and put in place by George Bush. Without a negotiated extension, the troop withdrawal was going to happen anyway. Giving him credit for something that was going to happen if he did nothing seems a huge stretch; especially in light of the fact he actually attempted to negotiate a NEW SOFA which would have kept troops in place.* In fairness, I'll give him credit for the massive effort to stop the further spread of the Ebola outbreak, normalizing relations with Cuba and focusing more on relations in SE Asia. Beyond that, I can't think of many positives from his foreign policy. *Zoraptor would arguably point out that the Iraqi parliament wanted the troops gone so a SOFA extension was highly unlikely. While that's certainly got a lot of merit, it is immaterial. It doesn't matter whether it was the Iraqis or USA that were being intractable during negotiations. The point is that when they failed, the existing troop withdrawal deadline took effect Yes but I only remember things that are true or relevant .....imagine if I remembered all the nonsense I heard Sure, okay the withdrawal troops was sort of discussed before Obama but was it ....read this http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/02/14/82082/despite-opposing-withdrawal-from-iraq-cheney-takes-credit-for-withdrawal-success/

Volo you do realize you are adding another group to your large, varied and unfairly targeted hate/dislike list of people you have issues with...my advice is learn to accept BLM, they will refine there tactics and become more reasonable

Shady does this embarrass you? Comical. We're to believe this has nothing to do with political showboating? Nevermind the risk of getting capped by an unruly civilian is far greater. More so statistically black on black crime is a greater cause of black men's deaths. This whole BLM is just manufactured chaos by a power elite that have decided that sowing discord is the best way to keep the more politically minded away from the realization of what the actual problems are and divide them into conflicting groups. The problem becomes race and gender instead of class and influence. No guys come on, lets give BLM a little more respect than that ....they have some valid objectives

Haven't we played this game before? Lets recap, list the issues and we can discuss them. I stand by mine and can produce links