BruceVC

I'm irritated by these Sanders supporters, they were asked to vote for Hillary Clinton. It was explained to them ....nicely They should be doing everything to ensure a Democratic victory.....why dont they understand they are weakening the Democrats possible win by voting for these smaller parties ?

GD I agree with Pidesco on this one, you cant force people to prayer just because you religious This comment from the article summarizes my view "Coach Monken had no business telling my son and his Army teammates to get on their knees and pray a prayer to Jesus!" wrote one concerned parent. "My son was very upset about this. ... This violates the Constitution and to think it happened at West Point?" OK, I didn't see that line. That is different. Never let facts get in the way of the outrage machine. Its not just GD who sometimes does this, most people on this forum use emotion to make points when it comes to the current US political reality. Yes it gets frustrating at times but I can understand emotions are running high and this clouds most peoples logic I make my posts on fact and .logic ....I think i do at least

GD I agree with Pidesco on this one, you cant force people to prayer just because you religious This comment from the article summarizes my view "Coach Monken had no business telling my son and his Army teammates to get on their knees and pray a prayer to Jesus!" wrote one concerned parent. "My son was very upset about this. ... This violates the Constitution and to think it happened at West Point?"

No you wrong, I am not trolling and as you know that comment annoys me yet you always say it I accept what you saying about voting for Obama over Putin and yes that changes my view of your comment I was overly critical of your views in the previous post. I understand what you saying now and I support this

I do feel sorry for her, on the health issues at least. On the political aspects she's again been her own worst enemy though. Right down to the cringe inducing photo op with the 'spontaneous' little girl outside Chelsea's apartment, as if pictures of that would displace her being half carried into a van from the news. What a surprise, you would find Putin a stronger leader Lets see ...Putin has destroyed the Russian economy, controls the media, has murdered journalists and illegally annexed parts of Georgia and Ukraine...yeah what a leader And you think he is more decisive than Obama, really? According to you and the Putin get- a-long-gang he was going to invade Turkey to teach them a lesson, actually defeat ISIS and " make a real difference in Syria because Putin knows how to get results " But he has been inconsistent in the bombing campaign, bombed hospitals and killed innocents and failed to win the war in Syria...and now they need the USA to end the war.....yes that's very decisive Zora Putin is strong leader in sense that his opposition in Russia is weak, his foreign policies are supported by significant economical and military power that he can use quite freely. But fact that he is strong leader don't mean that he is necessary good leader or leader that one should look as example how to run you country. But in foreign politics he should not be ignored or underestimated, because he is in control of significant resources and is in position to drive through his own agenda, which is why it is important (for president of USA) to understand what that agenda is and how you can negotiate with him. Putin is a dictator and again he has driven his economy into the ground Yes Russia has a role to play in global politics, Russia sits on the UNSC. But he hasn't exactly completed any military campaigns lately But how can anyone suggest he is a better leader than Obama is false ....Obama has not destroyed the US economy and has avoided getting the USA into numerous conflicts

I do feel sorry for her, on the health issues at least. On the political aspects she's again been her own worst enemy though. Right down to the cringe inducing photo op with the 'spontaneous' little girl outside Chelsea's apartment, as if pictures of that would displace her being half carried into a van from the news. What a surprise, you would find Putin a stronger leader Lets see ...Putin has destroyed the Russian economy, controls the media, has murdered journalists and illegally annexed parts of Georgia and Ukraine...yeah what a leader And you think he is more decisive than Obama, really? According to you and the Putin get- a-long-gang he was going to invade Turkey to teach them a lesson, actually defeat ISIS and " make a real difference in Syria because Putin knows how to get results " But he has been inconsistent in the bombing campaign, bombed hospitals and killed innocents and failed to win the war in Syria...and now they need the USA to end the war.....yes that's very decisive Zora

Yes I agree about 9/11 and not expecting people to have deep feelings It is over now and the new threat is ISIS.....and the USA is actually stronger now and has very effective information gathering like the Prism program, so the USA is effectively able to prevent almost all external terrorist attacks but not home grown

Anyone who seriously thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy theory is either anti-Western and bitter Uninformed and ignorant Dillusiuonal or suffering from dementia Someone who just believes stupid conspiracy theories At this point in history anyone who doesn't believe in conspiracy theories is just misinformed. With all the information that has been leaked and all the awful things that government do you still trust them? I can understand skepticism and asking for evidence but just denying them on the merits of being a conspiracy theory... just go back to the MSM and vote for Hillary you chump. i honestly dont believe in any conspiracy theories.....well none I can think of? CS are just excuses where people become lazy and aren't interested in the truth. Why what CS should I consider?

Anyone who seriously thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy theory is either anti-Western and bitter Uninformed and ignorant Dillusiuonal or suffering from dementia Someone who just believes stupid conspiracy theories

Oh sorry I misunderstood you, I meant to say Canada has every right to arrest people but it must now deport them You cant incarcerate people for crossing non-existent borders, its an extreme and pointless gesture

Didnt you know this about me ? Why do you think I am so aware and supportive of gender equality You are not. You act towards women like an owner towards a dog. You think you know better and that they should obey you, because in your mind you are superior to them. You just feel good because you don't beat or starve them and you let them play in the yard. You are not nor you ever will think of women as an equal, independent human being. For you they are a charity case at best. No thats not at all what I think, your assessment is horribly inaccurate I consider women my equal in most things but very important to a balanced society I would 25 % of Trumps supporters are bigots Volo you need to accept this, its true......I'll be honest when I first came to these forums I had you on several bigotry lists like my "possible sexist list " and " habitual sexist list " but I took you off

Guys to be honest none of you have ever worried about her health before, now this attention seems false She is fine, she has a very good doctor and if she really was sick and couldn't run she wouldn't

Didnt you know this about me ? Why do you think I am so aware and supportive of gender equality

I do think its fine because Canada is vast country of wilderness and very little border control ? Canada is the perfect Western country to take in about 1-2 million more refugees ....we both know you can place them anywhere and they wont be seen and due to the lack of infrastructure in most parts of Canada the refugees will feel right at home So yes Canada is not the same as the USA....sorry volo but I respect you too much to be dishonest

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time... No really...Britain is building a wall: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/britain-to-build-2m-great-wall-of-calais-to-keep-migrants-out-of-uk-a3338526.html See... This is perfectly reasonable, but its intention is not to keep migrants out but rather control access This is very important as the UK has a right to decide who can enter as a migrant

It'd called an Elizabethan Collar. It looks like the lace ruffles people used to wear around their neck in 17th Century England. But think what an amazing life your dogs have had with you, the fishing and trips to Cold Creek ....the wilderness I doubt any dog could live better

I find it hard to believe she offended you? No Trump will lose and the women of the USA will teach him his lesson in humility. For those interested in the actual perfect example of what I mean check this video, now its important to remember in life there are different types of sexists. Trump isnt the type of sexist that resents women or thinks they should be in the kitchen. No he is the type of sexist that cant handle a women telling him what to do ....watch this video to understand why many women understandably wont vote Trump I think more of political correctness as being a form of political slavery - mutual respect between people is a subtle thing that once gained can't be lost through words, banter, or what may actually be a challenge (Trump referring to the employee on her knees) between people to rise above political correctness and show that gained respect with a suitable retort. Unfortunately, I think that this way of thinking is a generational thing, gone the way of common sense, cognitive analytical thinking, and replaced by programmed behaviour and accepted predetermined attitudes. Thanks for commenting, I do appreciate the fact you trying to understand it I was raised in a matriarchal society and gender equality was installed in me in a natural and reasonable way. This meant I am very supportive of women's rights but sometimes I get it wrong as I always generally take the womens side in cases of abuse ...so maybe 1/12 women are lying about rape Im just mentioning this because there is quite a bit more I want to add about what that video symbolizes and I dont want to seem I think you insensitive. Its more how I was raised and how I see the world GD I am not trying to annoy you by being condescending but how did Obama offend you? Was it this link and what exactly did he say that honestly offended you ? https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/09/07/obama-insults-lazy-americans-in-laos/ Yes as far as a Trump victory is concerned I have had to accept it could happen. I wont lie it was difficult to acknowledge this but I have come to realize that there a sector of Trump supporters that dislike the idea of a women being president so much they just ignore the obvious inconsistencies with Trump Trump at his core is suppose to be " saving white people ", but I am embarrassed that some white people truly think someone like Trump is a rationale choice for saving them Trump really symbolizes all the worst traits and stereotypes that people have of rich. white Capitalists ...he is like a caricature straight out " Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" And to make things worse many people outside the USA then think Trump represents the views of all white people in the USA. As you know I have strong family and work ties to the USA so basically they think people like you and I are like Trump. I then explain the Trump reality and because I have a fairly good reputation on these radio talk shows most people believe me But I have to do it fairly often....its embarrassing

I find it hard to believe she offended you? No Trump will lose and the women of the USA will teach him his lesson in humility. For those interested in the actual perfect example of what I mean check this video, now its important to remember in life there are different types of sexists. Trump isnt the type of sexist that resents women or thinks they should be in the kitchen. No he is the type of sexist that cant handle a women telling him what to do ....watch this video to understand why many women understandably wont vote Trump

Okay lets chat later, I am going out for the day soon but we can swop stories when convenient I am interested in your involvement, if any, in Iraq But even if you werent involved just your personal opinion I have a good book about the Irish regiment in Basra

I apologized on that other post, I felt I was being rude We having a debate, its okay to disagree

I feel I am being rude, thats not my intention so sorry if I seem like that Welcome to the forums I hope you stay, we never seem to keep people and there are no women here...not one. I expressed concern about that but everyone seems fine with that Are you from the UK? So are my family and some of family live there...I love London Now back to this debate, I just want to clarify what we debating Are you saying when the USA left Iraq the country was stable and they should have stayed ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks A very significant day, some denied it was real and still do but it changed the world forever What were you doing at the time? The events that passed have made the world stronger but we also face a real threat from Islamic extremism The invasion of Iraq was a mistake but we cant now dismiss everything else. Its funny but in SA most of the Muslim community on these radio stations think the USA did 9/11 to themselves ....its such an irritating and utterly stupid thing to still believe but some people still do Anyway we have had our first ISIS arrests in SA......I never thought SA Muslims would align to that ideology but it happened. Now we have to get SA Muslims to believe its real as they have to be the ones to expose it ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/15/iraq-bomb-blast-deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_January_2011_Iraq_bombings http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/08/15/iraq.violence/index.html This is not about being right, this is about historical fact. I was intermittently involved in the invasion of Iraq and I followed the events of the Iraq invasion since 2001 The violence and instability is documented and understood. Iraq was not stable when the USA pulled out in 2011

It is simply untrue that Iraq was stable when the USA wanted to pull out Sorry but this is fundamental to this debate, Iraq was never stable because the USA was fighting either Shia militia or Iraq Sunni. As the war dragged on you also had Al-Qaeda in Iraq who were supported by many Iraq Sunni, then you had the civil war in Syria start in March 2011, the USA pulled out of Iraq end of 2011 So that meant the Sunni forces were growing more and more powerful but there focus was initially Syria But there were constant bomb blasts and attacks against the USA and Shia government. This escalated when the USA pulled out The Iranians wanted the USA out because they thought there influence over the Iraq government would be more effective without the USA but more importantly the USA was tired of being blamed and criticised by both sides ....they had NO friends in Iraq But now look, in the 2016 they are respected and are part of the coalition against ISIS ..this is the way the West should operate in the ME.

I agree that had the US stayed in Iraq, it may have turned out better. They were working towards it. Afghanistan is a lost cause. The kinds of people who want Afghanistan to be a modern prosperous country are few and far between, while people grasping at power are much more common. This is where me and Bruce differ on what makes a good leader. Democratically elected is not a prerequisite for a good leader. A dictator can be a good leader if he keeps the wellbeing and prosperity of his country and people at the forefront. Democracy can be disasterous with an uninformed illiterate population. Sometimes it takes a literate informed dictator to prepare a people for democracy. Why in the name of all that is reasonable should the USA have stayed in Iraq? Iraq was a disaster for them, they were being attacked and hated by both Sunni and Shia. Iran was suing this opportunity to kill Western troops and the whole ME blamed them Leaving Iraq was absolutely the right thing to do