BruceVC

*highfive*! No one believed us. Most even said it was impossible. I wasn't brave enough to make that call, and I consider that a testament to just how powerful propaganda is. I had no idea who would win and honestly thought Clinton would. Even if my gut said the Trump support is larger than they think, it's very hard to make that call when you see limited evidence of it according to the mainstream media. Likewise I feel a lot of Trump supporters were "shamed" and thus afraid to announce their existence. People can still deny it to this day, but the fact of the matter is that the media was 100% propaganda this election season. Today it's clear that the only people the establishment has been fooling this whole time has been themselves. I do hope you two placed bets on this though. Oh for the love of everything ....pls shut the **** up about the media being biased Are you that stupid you dont realize that was one of the great lies and manipulations that people like you propagated. So no one actually trusted the media when they warned and warned you how problematic and inconsistent Trump, you guys just ignored it. Well done you now have Trump presidency ...whoopie for you You have been one of the great pawns that Trump pulled along like a bull with a ring in its nose Yes Bruce, clearly I'm wrong. That's why Trump is currently very close to winning and scaring the wits out of everyone. He has won, well done. The next 4 years and possibly longer are going to grim for everyone....and you must realize you contributed towards it Can you at least take responsibility for that?> Bruce, I am not responsible for not trusting the most two-faced politician in American history. There is no objective right or wrong with this choice, because while I would quickly concede Clinton has the better policies....we don't even know her god damned policies. We don't know what's a lie and what's politics. And for all Trump's faults, the glaring issue stands: Clinton should never have been viable as a candidate to begin with. That? That ticks people off, that's why you see Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Nevada, and Michigan all hesitating to support her. Clearly, this is a big deal for a lot of people. A lot of people would prefer that idiot over the establishment simply becoming more corrupt. This entire election has been the Democratic party attempting to blame it's own supporters for not "bending the knee." Look at today. This is where that attitude gets you. Your job as a candidate is not to arrogantly tell your base to "bend the knee," it's to convince them you care. She's never, ever done that. She's played politics every single day, and she and the establishment (the DNC, the media, the lobbyists and the government officials) hav no one to blame but themselves. LK sorry Im not just blaming you, every person who didn't vote Hilary must take a share of responsibility. Including me for different reasons. So this is a collective acceptance for the future of the USA....but I really did try to warn and plead with you guys Leferd Im sorry for people like you and other forum members who voted Hillary, the next 4 years is not your fault at all. Everyone needs to take a share of responsibility outside of voting for Democrats Think how bad his presidency is going to be...for example most of his supporters believe all the hyperbole, they think he can actually do the things he has been threatening to do...imagine trying to deliver on some of these impossible promised He has said the entire election and system is rigged, he has said Washington is a sewer and needs to be drained but he has also said the entire media is biased and remember his supporters also think this now ....how is going to now address these things when in fact they not true We tried my friend, this is not on us

*highfive*! No one believed us. Most even said it was impossible. I wasn't brave enough to make that call, and I consider that a testament to just how powerful propaganda is. I had no idea who would win and honestly thought Clinton would. Even if my gut said the Trump support is larger than they think, it's very hard to make that call when you see limited evidence of it according to the mainstream media. Likewise I feel a lot of Trump supporters were "shamed" and thus afraid to announce their existence. People can still deny it to this day, but the fact of the matter is that the media was 100% propaganda this election season. Today it's clear that the only people the establishment has been fooling this whole time has been themselves. I do hope you two placed bets on this though. Oh for the love of everything ....pls shut the **** up about the media being biased Are you that stupid you dont realize that was one of the great lies and manipulations that people like you propagated. So no one actually trusted the media when they warned and warned you how problematic and inconsistent Trump, you guys just ignored it. Well done you now have Trump presidency ...whoopie for you You have been one of the great pawns that Trump pulled along like a bull with a ring in its nose Yes Bruce, clearly I'm wrong. That's why Trump is currently very close to winning and scaring the wits out of everyone. He has won, well done. The next 4 years and possibly longer are going to grim for everyone....and you must realize you contributed towards it Can you at least take responsibility for that?>

*highfive*! No one believed us. Most even said it was impossible. I wasn't brave enough to make that call, and I consider that a testament to just how powerful propaganda is. I had no idea who would win and honestly thought Clinton would. Even if my gut said the Trump support is larger than they think, it's very hard to make that call when you see limited evidence of it according to the mainstream media. Likewise I feel a lot of Trump supporters were "shamed" and thus afraid to announce their existence. People can still deny it to this day, but the fact of the matter is that the media was 100% propaganda this election season. Today it's clear that the only people the establishment has been fooling this whole time has been themselves. I do hope you two placed bets on this though. Oh for the love of everything ....pls shut the **** up about the media being biased Are you that stupid you dont realize that was one of the great lies and manipulations that people like you propagated. So no one actually trusted the media when they warned and warned you how problematic and inconsistent Trump, you guys just ignored it. Well done you now have Trump presidency ...whoopie for you You have been one of the great pawns that Trump pulled along like a bull with a ring in its nose

It's the Russians' fault the DNC ran such a terrible candidate. I see you still think this is a big joke, laugh my young friend..its good to be unconcerned with a more dysfunctional future over the next 4 years

A Trump presidency is going to be much worse than you guys in the US realize...much worse. I won't go into detail now but you guys really are in for big reality shock. I did try, I posted every link I could but it was ignored because most of you guys somehow believed the great lie that Hillary is " as bad as Trump " ...now you will see the difference and this is something many people around the world will also feel, like me Anyway you will see if Trump wins your stock markets will suffer loss and your currency will lose value , this is just the beginning. A good question to prepare yourselves would be something like " why would the US stock market be losing millions of dollars, Trump is a good businessman, he seems to have okay ideas " ? Or he might not win

Oh wait, let me guess now you are Trump supporter.....say it volo, you know you want to say " I want Trump to be US president " ...try to be honest for once?

Yes, it is Trump actually could win.....can you imagine having to deal with Trump for the next 4 years Our forum friends in the USA, Im sorry but Trump could be your next president.

No, of course it's not racist, slaughtering white people is perfectly OK, why do you ask? I know you being sarcastic

Oh wait I forgot to say, he doesnt mean it he is just trying to create a distraction because of his court case But its offended many white people in SA but Im not sure if it offensive because I know he doesnt mean it ?.

http://businesstech.co.za/news/government/142570/malema-doesnt-want-to-slaughter-white-people-in-south-africa-for-now/ http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/malema-not-calling-for-the-slaughter-of-whites-for-now-2087713 Guys I am interested in your views on this article, is this racist and would you be offended if this was said to you as a white person?

https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/89120-obsidian-us-presidential-poll/ But the problem with this poll is that it was flawed as some members dont even live in the USA so they dont really care what Trump says he can do or they dont care if the US is made weaker by Trump

So if that happens what would that mean? Does that mean the Republicans can block any rule or law Clinton tries to pass? Technically yes but she could also block anything they tried to do. At worst it becomes a total stalemate like it did for Obama. He ran absolutely roughshod over them for the two years the Democrats had full control. The Republicans were cut out of everything in a way that is unusual even in DC. It was made worse when that worthless bag of s--t Harry Reid changed the Senate Rules on cloture votes and essentially took away the filibuster. After that is was Democrat rule by fiat and some really, really bad things happened. Then the Democrats lost the House of Representatives in in 2010 and the Senate in 2014. Because Obama had treated them so poorly and was still overtly hostile to them the Republicans were not inclined to compromise with him on much. And to tell the truth he had no inclination to work with them either so the whole government ground to a near halt. A budgetary spending resolution still got passed. The essential tasks of the Government were still accomplished. But very little in the way of legislation moved. Which s fine by me. I'd take that every time over what was going on prior to 2010. Now with a new President and a new Congress the dynamic will be different. If Hillary Clinton is elected and is willing to sign bills she may not like in order to get Congress to pass ones she does she can probably expect to get 50-75% or her agenda through. That hard left and hard right bills will still be stopped. A radical leftist Supreme court nominee (Another Ginsburg or Kagan) would be stopped. So to answer your question it really comes down to how Congress reacts to how the treats them. If she puts their backs up she is in for a long frustrating four years. I say four because historically the mid-term elections favor the opposite party of the Executive. If the Democrats don't have control of the Senate by the end of the night they will not have it until at least 2020. The House is probably a lost cause for them for the foreseeable future. This is a very interesting post. But it concerns me in the sense you could have this really frustrating stalemate and most US citizens are sick of the impotence and lack of consensus in Congress, things seem to take a long time to get done So if I was her I would not try to implement the very ideological controversial things like gun control and focus on fixing things where there can be agreement like Obamacare and improving aspects of foreign policy

It's been going on too long IMO. Far too long....its been an amazing experience but Im glad its over

You cant be serious? Arent you tired of all the invective and grandstanding ?

That women is a disgrace to gender equality, I have heard her view several times I can understand any women in this election blindly following Trump because they focus on other issues but a women actually justifying his contempt for them is something I will never understanding

If Clinton wins, Republicans control both houses and Johnson gets 5%, I'd take that. So if that happens what would that mean? Does that mean the Republicans can block any rule or law Clinton tries to pass?

So you are suggesting that because the black people within that town of mine do not have to hear the N-word, they're infinitely better off? I'm suggesting that while racial profiling and provoking people into fights are pretty disgusting, at least they're not getting lynched. Progress! So apparently the forum software at my post and I'm too lazy to type that wall of text up again. TLDR: people aren't purposefully censoring racist speech as an end unto itself, they're censoring racist sentiment, of which racist speech is a symptom. Creating an atmosphere where bigotry is frowned upon and yet does not censor itself is only possible if you're unwilling to sanction bigotry in all but its most egregious forms, otherwise bigots will wisen up to the fact that open bigotry gets them punished and learn to hide it. LK to be fair to alum his one liners do often make sense, he uses brevity but it contains wisdom Yes maybe his point at times is unclear but I do believe a person can make a valid point without a long post

Its true, that word is almost inclusively used on the Internet

You couldn't have said that volo, that would have made you right and we both agreed that is highly unlikely ? http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/02/09/polls-open-in-dixville-notch-new-hampshi?videoId=367336819 This video is old but I just watched this voting at Dixville Notch, 8 people voted 4 for Hilary and 2 for Trump and 2 for other candidates

Malc is correct, he didnt technically call the entire Latino community criminals but he made several disparaging comments about them and the general perception is that he insulted the entire Latino community

I'm feeling more confidant around a Democrat victory but of course its early days, Trump is getting nailed hard by the Latino vote This could be the primary reason he loses and this is directly related to his initial diatribe against the entire Latino community when he called them criminals and rapists

Meh, interview is rubbish. Basically just wank saying what people want to be true, plenty of the usual self contradictory stuff as well- Russia's economy is crap, but simultaneously upper-high; they have nothing to fear from the west, except the west is ruining their economy; Putin needs constant confrontation (examples from his first two terms? No?) while the west presumably doesn't despite having far more wars over the past 20 years than Russia. It's that sort of crap that gives Russia ammunition and is part of the problem. [late edit: the thing I disliked most was using 'isolationism' to describe Russia not liking the west, which is overt occidentcentrism and pure narrative pandering. Isolationism is something like DPRK where nobody likes them and few tolerate them or Eritrea where the country is locked down as entirely as they can make it; Russia's relations with most of the world are absolutely fine. There are even still discussion of a FTA with us, as we're not part of the sanctions regime. There's no fundamental desire to disengage with the west that isolationism implies, just a deep- imo justified- scepticism about their motives] Plus of course it doesn't mention that even if there were Russian hacking it wouldn't matter if there wasn't bad stuff to hide. If the worst was Huma and John's Spirit Cooking there simply wouldn't be a story. Obviously you will reject this article, it raises valid and real criticism of Putin and his objective of Russian hegemony

I truly mean this when I say I can empathize...I have seen some of the political adverts and I think " imagine seeing these all the time " Sometimes its like this insane circus....well 2 more days and we can all start to return to our normal lifestyles

And just think, you're not even being bombarded with campaign ads like we are! Thats a good point.....that would definitely exacerbate my tiredness

Guys this election has been the most unprecedented, tumultuous and exciting election I have ever seen....but I am really tired now and I just want it to end Im fatigued by all the grandstanding, vitriol, populism , bigotry and general antics....no more please